Another right may bite the dust

[Evermore]

teaching them respect of a firearm and proper handling most certainly will.

another concept that escapes you.

That concept has worked great so far. Generations have been passing down your obsessive gun habits and it's created a violent cesspool. Why try and solve the problem, just buy bigger guns so that you can kill your neighbor first!

how nearsighted and obtuse you are. its funny. I own guns. My nextdoor neighbor is a cop and he owns more guns then I do. the guy down the street restores and sells military weapons. I cant stand him cause he is almost as big of a fucking idiot as you are. Funny 10 yrs now and not one gun battle has occurred....


oh and my 16 yr old can put a 5.56 round in your ass from 300 yds. He hasnt comitted any robberies or murdered anyone.


Can you explain this? according to your theory anyone who owns guns is either a criminal or insane...

[Zanchief]

And in those 10 years, how many times have you successfully protected your family with those guns?

[Evermore]

And in those 10 years, how many times have you successfully protected your family with those guns?

Twice

[Zanchief]

You're a liar.

[Evermore]

I wish. Not an experience i recommend.

[Tossica]

I gotta call bullshit here too.

You've shot two people in the last 10 years?

[Evermore]

no. never shot anyone. i apologize if that is what that sounds like. He asked how many times I sucessfully defended my family, the answer is 2x. never said i shot anyone, never have. dont plan on it either.


edit spelling and i just realized the time frame is a bit off. make that 15 yrs and this works. I have never had to defend the family since i moved out of philly. I been living in horsham for about 10 yrs now. before that it was Kensington and Northern Liberties and South Philly.

[Harrison]

It must be nice living somewhere that the idea of someone breaking into your house, assaulting you, raping, robbing, or otherwise endangering you or your loved ones is far-fetched. lol What a tiny simplistic candyland world you must live in.

Not everyone has that luxury. I for one wouldn't want to wait the 5-7 minutes it takes a cruiser to get to my house or pray for superman to save me if the need ever arose.

[Evermore]

Zanchief's trained attack moose guards his house.

[ClakarEQ]

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

You can IMO easily say the military IS the militia and only THOSE have the right to bear arms. You see it doesn't say civilian, or common person, layperson, etc. It is very specific to militia and depending on how you spin it, militia can in fact be our armed services, not you or me, only them.

I dont think your military is the militia statement holds water. The very nature of a militia is that it is comprised of ordinary citizens, not professonal soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

I checked dictionary.com for the real deal, wiki is in the process of being devalued IMO anyway, too much oppertunism there (not saying is has no value though, I use it frequently for reference).

You can easily spin even the wiki to either side of the argument though.

The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary[1] citizens to provide . . . ."

The definition of "Force" in the cotext used is

any body of persons combined for joint action

and this in turn is not the "person" or "individual" at all, this is combined "unit", e.g. an organization. So then "law" can propose this question, what organization are civilian gun owners part of because accroding to the interrupted law, this is required for gun ownership.

you honestly believe they would have taken the time and made it 2nd only to freedom of speech (etc.), to say that the military has the right to use weapons?

spun response: You can't honestly believe the 2nd was designed to implement an uncontrolled unorganized armed civilian populace, do you?

Again though, I'm just devil's advocating this stuff, I'm semi-nuetral on this, it is more the point of awarness because for me, some of what I read was new info, and also to show how easy this "right" can be spun against what some feel, is the very purpose is was written for in the first place.

[Harrison]

Zanchief's trained attack moose guards his house.

a moose once bit my sister

[Gaazy]

old Obama is in my little town today givin a speech, actually i think hes prob givin it right now. Fuckin cocksucker and his security and traffic cost me to miss a meeting across town I got offered 4 or 5 different sets of tickets from some of my vendors tryin to b uy me out to go see it, but like I want to go waste my time listening to ANY politicians go give a fuckin jerk off speech about stupid shit

[Tikker]

It must be nice living somewhere that the idea of someone breaking into your house, assaulting you, raping, robbing, or otherwise endangering you or your loved ones is far-fetched. lol What a tiny simplistic candyland world you must live in.

yeah I feel just horrible that having a job has enabled me to live outside of the fucking ghetto with the rest of the trash like harrison

[Harrison]

Dude, you live in Canada, the most dangerous thing you have to worry about is nature.

[Tossica]

Dude, you live in Canada, the most dangerous thing you have to worry about is nature.

His point still stands. Get a fucking job and move out of your parents house.

[numatu]

Many people with jobs have to live in ghetto areas like New Bedford because the cost of living forces them to do so. Others simply can't find jobs and become stuck there and dependent on government assistance to provide for their basic needs.

I wouldn't classify the people there as trash simply because they're poor or they happen to have a personality that's incompatible with another's. The repeating violent criminals that terrorize the town are the only people I would call trash.

If it was as easy as "get a job and move" then there would never be slums like New Bedford or poor people at all.

The idea of helping the poor doesn't just mean helping faceless innocent names on a list; it means helping people you might not like at all, like Harrison.

[Tossica]

Many people with jobs have to live in ghetto areas like New Bedford because the cost of living forces them to do so. Others simply can't find jobs and become stuck there and dependent on government assistance to provide for their basic needs.

I wouldn't classify the people there as trash simply because they're poor or they happen to have a personality that's incompatible with another's. The repeating violent criminals that terrorize the town are the only people I would call trash.

If it was as easy as "get a job and move" then there would never be slums like New Bedford or poor people at all.

The idea of helping the poor doesn't just mean helping faceless innocent names on a list; it means helping people you might not like at all, like Harrison.

Lots of people grow up poor and find ways to succeed. There are few jobs in my old hometown so you know what? I moved away. I worked at a pizza place and a video store to save up enough cash to move. It's not that hard. Even people that live in the ghetto eat pizza and watch movies.

[Harrison]

My family grew up poor as fuck and we're definitely not now.

We actually own this house we just moved into last year. We built an extra room in the upstairs, furnished the basement, and soon to be 2 (or 3) rooms in the garage.

I pay about the same in rent as I would if I was to move out with my roommate and get another apartment again. I personally don't mind the arrangement I have right now at all, saves me a lot of stress.

A lot of my other friends live in their own shithole apartments barely getting by, eating ramen noodles at best, no cable, no heat at times, etc.

Fuck...that, been there and done that. I'm not going to put myself through that shit again just so I can beat my chest like a neanderthal "me got own cave nuk nuk".

[numatu]

Lots of people grow up poor and find ways to succeed. There are few jobs in my old hometown so you know what? I moved away. I worked at a pizza place and a video store to save up enough cash to move. It's not that hard. Even people that live in the ghetto eat pizza and watch movies.

It's true some people work hard and are able to struggle and succeed. I wasn't talking about those people.

There are many poor people that just, for whatever reason, can't do what you and many others did. These people are the poor. If it wasn't that hard, there would be no poor people at all. It's certainly hard for them, whether it be personal reasons or a political structure in place which doesn't allow them to succeed.

Every political speech usually contains some reference toward helping the poor. If it's not that hard, why is it such an important political issue? Is it just affluent people looking to feel self-righteous? If any one of us showed up at a campaign rally and said, "I have a job and don't live with the trash in the ghetto", I doubt it would be received very well.

Why does this dichotomy exist? Why is the abstract notion of helping the poor a noble venture, but when you get to specific people with a face and a history, it's their own fault (especially if that person's personality is unappealing)?

[Gaazy]

and some of them just dont give a shit and love the free check we'll b emore than happy to send them to continue being poor on

[numatu]

I agree; there are much better ways to help the poor than to hand out a check.

[Gaazy]

I 100% agree there are plenty of people that really need a helping hand, and I dont mind one single bit givin them the hand, but i dlike to see a real number of people that are on it who really need need it. I think all it needs is a real screening process to see who needs the help and whos lookin for a free ride

[Harrison]

We could start by drug testing them, not giving aid to criminals, etc.

[brinstar]

no welfare for tobacco users either, fuck that shit

[Evermore]

no welfare for tobacco users either, fuck that shit

If you sign up for welfare, you should have to punch a clock. there is plenty of municipal work that needs to be done. Philly needs a good cleaning and alot of graffiti removal etc..