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About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Arlos » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:41 pm

Remember the prohibition? Didn't work. Nor will modern versions. So, about damn time here:

The U.S. should stop arresting responsible marijuana users, Rep. Barney Frank said Wednesday, announcing a proposal to end federal penalties for Americans carrying fewer than 100 grams, almost a quarter-pound, of the substance.

Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans, said Frank, flanked by legislators and representatives from advocacy groups.

"The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said during a Capitol Hill news conference. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

The Massachusetts Democrat and his supporters emphasized that only the use -- and not the abuse -- of marijuana would be decriminalized if the resolution resulted in legislation.

The Drug Enforcement Administration says people charged with simple possession are rarely incarcerated. The agency and the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy have long opposed marijuana legalization, for medical purposes or otherwise.

Marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance, meaning it has a high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use, according to the ONDCP.

"Smoked marijuana has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."

Allen St. Pierre, spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), likened Frank's proposal -- co-sponsored by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas -- to current laws dealing with alcohol consumption. Alcohol use is permitted, and the government focuses its law enforcement efforts on those who abuse alcohol or drive under its influence, he said.

"We do not arrest and jail responsible alcohol drinkers," he said.

St. Pierre said there are tens of millions of marijuana smokers in the United States, including himself, and hundreds of thousands are arrested each year for medical or personal use.

There have been 20 million marijuana-related arrests since 1965, he said, and 11 million since 1990, and "every 38 seconds, a marijuana smoker is arrested."

Rob Kampia, director of the Marijuana Policy Project, said marijuana arrests outnumber arrests for "all violent crimes combined," meaning that police are spending inordinate amounts of time chasing nonviolent criminals.

"Ending arrests is the key to marijuana policy reform," he said.

Reps. William Lacy Clay, D-Missouri, and Barbara Lee, D-California, said that in addition to targeting nonviolent offenders, U.S. marijuana laws also unfairly target African-Americans.

Clay said he did not condone drug use, but he opposes using tax dollars to pursue what he feels is an arcane holdover from "a phony war on drugs that is filling up our prisons, especially with people of color."

Too many drug enforcement resources are being dedicated to incarcerating nonviolent drugs users, and not enough is being done to stop the trafficking of narcotics into the United States, he said.

Being arrested is not the American marijuana smoker's only concern, said Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance Network. Those found guilty of marijuana use can lose their jobs, financial aid for college, their food stamp and welfare benefits, or their low-cost housing.

The U.S. stance on marijuana, Piper said, "is one of the most destructive criminal justice policies in America today."

Calling the U.S. policy "inhumane" and "immoral," Lee said she has many constituents who are harassed or arrested for using or cultivating marijuana for medical purposes. California allows medical marijuana use, but the federal government does not, she explained.

House Resolution 5843, titled the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008, would express support for "a very small number of individuals" suffering from chronic pain or illness to smoke marijuana with impunity.

According to NORML, marijuana can be used to treat a range of illnesses, including glaucoma, asthma, multiple sclerosis, HIV/AIDS and seizures.

Frank, who is chairman of the Financial Services Committee, said about a dozen states already have approved some degree of medical marijuana use, and the federal government should stop devoting resources to arresting people who are complying with their states' laws.

In a shot at Republicans, Frank said it was strange that those who support limited government want to criminalize marijuana.

Asked if the resolution's passage would change his personal behavior, Frank quipped, "I do obey every law I vote for," but quickly said he did not use marijuana, nor does he encourage it.

"I smoke cigars. I don't think other people should do that. If young people ask me, I would advise them not to do it," he said.

If HR 5843 were passed, the House would support marijuana smokers possessing up to 100 grams -- about 3½ ounces -- of cannabis without being arrested. It would also give its blessing to the "nonprofit transfer" of up to an ounce of marijuana.

The resolution would not address laws forbidding growing, importing or exporting marijuana, or selling it for profit. The resolution also would not speak to state laws regarding marijuana use.


I know I'll be emailing my congressperson and asking them to support the bill. I'd FAR rather police efforts went to stop violent crime and things like domestic abuse than people smoking a joint.

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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Naethyn » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:49 pm

Maeya wrote:And then your head just aches from having your hair pulled so tight for so long...
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Martrae » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:58 pm

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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Harrison » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:10 pm

I agree with this. I feel like a dirty hippie.
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby numatu » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:57 pm

Hopefully this passes. There's no rational justification for marijuana to be illegal.

As someone who has never smoked anything before, I have never understood how the same people that smoke tobacco and drink alcohol fail to see the correlation between those substances and marijuana. The act of legalizing something does not mean it's condoned. This easily falls under personal freedom and the right of someone to be a stoner isn't the jurisdiction of the federal government.

The current bill should allow for the legal sale of marijuana by licensed distributors, just like alcohol, which can then be taxed relatively high. Even with the tax, the act of legalization will cause the price to plummet, and the street dealer will vanish.

Going from billions spent on policing, jailing, and court fees to billions gained through tax revenue while at the same time ending an archaic 20th century law foolishly designed to legislate moral behavior seems like a good first step.
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Tikker » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:23 pm

Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans


wha?!?!

I honestly don't care one way or the other

I just don't see the attraction to getting high
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Naethyn » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:31 pm

I watched a series on the history channel that truly shed some light on this subject for me. (They also go into why it's racist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yqyx0pCIHA
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Arlos » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:52 pm

If you want a crystal clear example of racist bias in drug laws, just look at the penalties for cocaine vs crack.

Cocaine, drug of rich white people, is punished far less harshly than crack, which is traditionally used by poorer, often black people, has much longer sentences for the same amount of drug.

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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Tikker » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:14 pm

Arlos wrote:If you want a crystal clear example of racist bias in drug laws,


I meant specifically for marijuana
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby brinstar » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:51 pm

Arlos wrote:If you want a crystal clear example of racist bias in drug laws, just look at the penalties for cocaine vs crack.

Cocaine, drug of rich white people, is punished far less harshly than crack, which is traditionally used by poorer, often black people, has much longer sentences for the same amount of drug.

-Arlos


they are working on this iirc
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Lueyen » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:51 pm

Legalize it, regulate it similar to alcohol. It is no worse then alcohol or tobacco use and actually better in some ways.
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Trielelvan » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:23 pm

yep, definitely about damned time
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Tuggan » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:09 pm

Tikker wrote:
Arlos wrote:If you want a crystal clear example of racist bias in drug laws,


I meant specifically for marijuana


cause brothers are the dealers, duh.
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Drem » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:46 pm

if they take out the dealer then they run out of things to do every night when they're roaming around looking for somebody hiding a ten sack

eugene cops do this all the time. i rarely hear about a big dealer getting busted or rapists getting caught etc. just lots of stupid misdemeanors and college students getting caught while they're out having fun after finals or something...
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Re: About time someone in Washington remembered history

Postby Kramer » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:58 am

i agree also. the amount of time, energy, and money spent to keep people from getting high on weed is staggering.....

also the amount of damage done to a person when they are placed in legal system and have irrevocable damage done to them legally (life-long record) and/or emotionally, physically, etc. b/c of jail or prison time.....

i have worked with 18-22 homeless youth/young adults on the streets of Houston for the past 3 years and have found that weed is essentially equivalent to cigarrettes and alcohol for the rest of the population, it is used to take the edge off for certain social groups...

i had a hispanic friend who was had a very different life than i did, he was a crypt for one thig lol, but he would tell me how hard it was for him to stay away from weed b/c it was so deeply a part of his culture. when his family got together, there was some drinking, but mostly everyone sat around and smoked....

There's a very informative/entertaining radio show that comes on Houston Public Radio that might be interesting if your bored, it's called the Drug Truth Network, i am sure they have a website too.
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