McCain Ads

[Kramer]

I love the McCain ads that act as if they genuinely respect Hillary and that they are appalled that Obama didn't pick, and that it's OBVIOUSLY that she spoke the truth and he didn't want that!!!!!!!!


it's so ridiculous. people who can't stand hillary are suddenly her biggest supporters, now that she won't be vp

[araby]

bah, McCain's just pissed that his buddy threw him under the bus. It's all politics. None of it surprises me.

Glenn Beck is picking apart Obama's song that he uses to walk in to, as we speak. It never ends.

[araby]

that, and because one of her delegates is going to McCain, now.

[Dimuza]

I love the mccain ads that act as if high gas prices & the exceedingly sucky state of the country currently are somehow OBAMA'S fault.

Hey, shitheads....how could this all be his fault, exactly? I mean....You're saying that Obama was the supreme dictator of our country? That he somehow got his nefarious plans & schemes past a house & senate that weren't Republican-controlled??!

My absolute favorite part of this (I mean the part that I find to be too depressing for words) is that there is a % of the people that are buying this shit. That's the kind of thing that makes me worry for us, as a species

[Lueyen]

In all seriousness, I am curious as to why he didn't pick Hillary. I'm obviously not a Clinton fan, but it seems like an Obama/Clinton ticket would have done far more for the DNC and it's base in the election.

On the original subject I find the whole idea that Hillary supporters have a candidate in McCain as a viable alternative absurd. I can only see few possible reasons.

1.) People who supported her simply because she was a woman and would vote for McCain simply because the VP on the ticket is a woman. (God I hope there are very few of these)

2.) People who are jaded because they feel Obama wronged her in some way and want to punish him by voting against him or not voting at all. (Considering what is at steak in the office of the Presidency, this is about a juvenile and stupid as you can get excluding those who fit into the first category).

3.) People are willing to accept or even prefer anti-capitalistic or socialist views and ideas to an extent, but feel that Obama takes it to far.

[Arlos]

Unfortunately, it seems like it's #1 and #2 mostly.

As for why he didn't pick her, I can think of a few reasons. First of all, if he DID get elected, how could he ever have a stable administration? Hillary would be relentlessly self-promoting, and he could easily end up overshadowed. Any policy decisions that came out, at least SOME people would wonder if it really was him, or if it was Hillary behind it, no mater who said what publicly.

Remember, the VP is very definitely supposed to play 2nd fiddle to the President. Can you imagine Hillary EVER quietly playing 2nd fiddle to ANYONE? Especially someone she resented for usurping her supposedly inevitable coronation? It'd end up being a power struggle akin to Truman/MacArthur, just much harder for Obama to fire her than it was Truman to get rid of MacArthur.

No, Hillary being Obama's VP never would have worked out, and I think it's to his credit that he realized that all to well, and picked the person he felt would best balance out his potential administration rather than the expedient choice.

-Arlos

[Lueyen]

Gosh I would hope that someone making a bid on the White House could handle Hillary Clinton from a position of authority 8).

Sorry had to, in all honesty though, what you said makes a lot of sense Arlos. My thoughts all along during the primaries were that Obama really needed to watch his back, because Clinton is very driven and I wouldn't put a whole lot past her.

[Arlos]

Well, as in my example, Truman was able to eventually handle MacArthur too, but it was a HUGE distraction. There's too much that needs to get done in this country to have the guy in charge be distracted by behind-the-scenes power mongering, regardless of whether or not he can or can't handle it in the long term.

Now, one thing I haven't seen mentioned a lot with regards to Hillary and the Palin selection is this: Hillary, obviously, feels a certain level of entitlement of position, with regards to women's place in politics, yes? Palin is a direct challenge thrown in her face by the Republicans. Regardless of how Hillary feels about Obama, there is no way in hell she's going to let some nobody come along and steal her thunder in the women's movement. She is going to bust her ass to keep Palin out of the white house, so that it can be Hillary that finally does it, even if she has to wait til 2012 or 2016. McCain just gave Hillary a reason to really go all-out campaigning, when she might not have done it before. Given Hillary's undoubted effectiveness with certain groups, that may well end up blowing up in McCain's face.

-Arlos

[Diekan]

I love the mccain ads that act as if high gas prices & the exceedingly sucky state of the country currently are somehow OBAMA'S fault.

Hey, shitheads....how could this all be his fault, exactly? I mean....You're saying that Obama was the supreme dictator of our country? That he somehow got his nefarious plans & schemes past a house & senate that weren't Republican-controlled??!

My absolute favorite part of this (I mean the part that I find to be too depressing for words) is that there is a % of the people that are buying this shit. That's the kind of thing that makes me worry for us, as a species

LMAO.

You mean... like... just how the liberals blamed Bush for Katrina?

Make no mistake I want Bush out of office... I think he's done a HORRIBLE job as president. However, Katrina was the result of an incompetent mayor and governor - not the federal government. But since the both the mayor and gov have (D) in front of their name, they could have dynamited the levees and CNN would have still ran with it being "Bush's fault."

[ClakarEQ]

I love the mccain ads that act as if high gas prices & the exceedingly sucky state of the country currently are somehow OBAMA'S fault.

Hey, shitheads....how could this all be his fault, exactly? I mean....You're saying that Obama was the supreme dictator of our country? That he somehow got his nefarious plans & schemes past a house & senate that weren't Republican-controlled??!

My absolute favorite part of this (I mean the part that I find to be too depressing for words) is that there is a % of the people that are buying this shit. That's the kind of thing that makes me worry for us, as a species

LMAO.

You mean... like... just how the liberals blamed Bush for Katrina?

Make no mistake I want Bush out of office... I think he's done a HORRIBLE job as president. However, Katrina was the result of an incompetent mayor and governor - not the federal government. But since the both the mayor and gov have (D) in front of their name, they could have dynamited the levees and CNN would have still ran with it being "Bush's fault."

Lets not go there again, to say Bush holds ZERO responsibility is bullshit. Frankly to know you want McCain in office IMO yet say you want Bush out, I know there are many differences between the two but there are also many similarities, too many for me to look beyond

[Arlos]

Yeah, lets see, appointing someone to head the national emergency management agency who's entire management experience beforehand was RUNNING HORSE SHOWS... BRILLIANT!

Then, as people are dying and FEMA is showing just how unprepared it was due to incompetency at the highest levels, Bush publicly says he's doing a hell of a job....

And funny, the people of New Orleans didn't agree with your assessment of the mayor, considering they re-elected him. You think they'd have done that if they blamed him? Hmmm?

Face it, Bush fiddled while New Orleans burned. Er, drowned.

Lastly, I must express complete puzzlement at you slamming Bush, then at the same time promoting someone who voted in lockstep with Bush over 90% of the time. Boy, that's sure great odds that he'll be radically different!

-Arlos

[Diekan]

Yeah, lets see, appointing someone to head the national emergency management agency who's entire management experience beforehand was RUNNING HORSE SHOWS... BRILLIANT!

Then, as people are dying and FEMA is showing just how unprepared it was due to incompetency at the highest levels, Bush publicly says he's doing a hell of a job....

And funny, the people of New Orleans didn't agree with your assessment of the mayor, considering they re-elected him. You think they'd have done that if they blamed him? Hmmm?

Face it, Bush fiddled while New Orleans burned. Er, drowned.

Lastly, I must express complete puzzlement at you slamming Bush, then at the same time promoting someone who voted in lockstep with Bush over 90% of the time. Boy, that's sure great odds that he'll be radically different!

-Arlos

Promoting? When did I say I was a McCain “supporter?” I’ve said time and time again that I am a LIBERTARIAN. The only reason I am voting for McCain is because I do not want someone as far left in the White House as Obama. In this case McCain IS indeed the lesser of two evils.

And, I think it speaks volumes about the overall direction of this country when the “best” we can do for presidential candidates is an empty suit that can’t speak without the aid of a teleprompter and a 72 year old that should have given up politics when he got stomped in the mud the first time he tried to run.

On the topic at hand though. As I seem to recall the issue with Bush (and the fed gov) was that they didn’t respond fast enough. Remember Mr. Chocolate City screaming “where are the damn busses?” Meanwhile, there were parking lots FULL of empty busses in the city. Law prohibits the use of federal troops to be used for state disasters UNLESS the governor requests the assistance – which the grossly incompetent Blanco didn’t do for a couple of days AFTER the disaster.

Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco.[54] Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi also rejected a similar request.

Governor Blanco did make a request to the Federal government for additional National Guard troops (to be under her command) to supplement the 5,700 Louisiana National Guard troops available in Louisiana at the time.[55] However, the necessary formal request through the federal National Guard Bureau was not made until Tuesday, a full day after the hurricane hit and when much of the city was already under water.[citation needed] Blanco also failed to activate a compact with other states that would have allowed her to bypass the National Guard Bureau in a request for additional troops.[citation needed]

Even if an earlier request had been made, the logic of mobilizing troops from outlying areas, such as Arizona or California is regarded as questionable by many[citation needed], given the closer proximity of Federal U.S. First Army troops under the direction of Lieutenant General Russel L. Honoré.

So where’s the blame on the incompetent state governor? Of course there is none because she’s a liberal democrat – who by proxy can do no wrong.

If Bill Clinton had been in office you would have then screamed for the mayor / governor’s head – but how convenient for you that a right wing republican was in office to make the perfect scapegoat.

Bush DOES deserve some of the blame, but most of the blame lies on His Honorable Chocolate City and Governor Whatthefuckjusthappened.

[ClakarEQ]

No one ever said the local GOV's don't hold some, perhaps the majority, of the responsibility, at the same time, Bush holds a fair bit as well.

Putting it all asside though, vote for who you want, you don't have to vote for McCain, go Paul, go Bugs Bunny, but hipshot McCain who follows the footsteps of the least popular, most hated president in US history, that is

[Diekan]

No one ever said the local GOV's don't hold some, perhaps the majority, of the responsibility, at the same time, Bush holds a fair bit as well.

Putting it all asside though, vote for who you want, you don't have to vote for McCain, go Paul, go Bugs Bunny, but hipshot McCain who follows the footsteps of the least popular, most hated president in US history, that is

When people discuss the cluster fuck of Katrina it generally always turns into a finger point game toward Bush and Co. I have hardly ever heard any of the blame being put on the mayor or gov.

Also, McCain may have voted in support of Bush but that doesn't make him Bush part II. I don't like either choice, but I like Obama less than I like McCain.

[Arlos]

No, the Governor shared plenty of the blame, thanks. Nice of you to put words in my mouth, though.

If you consider yourself a Libertarian, why not VOTE for the Libertarian Candidate? After all, the more votes he gets, the easier it is for the party to get major party status in future elections, thus potentially breaking up the 2-party system.

-Arlos

[Kramer]

True Dat. i'm libertarian also.... it would be nice for there to be a third party with a voice eventually, though i doubt it will happen.

[brinstar]

No, the Governor shared plenty of the blame, thanks. Nice of you to put words in my mouth, though.

If you consider yourself a Libertarian, why not VOTE for the Libertarian Candidate? After all, the more votes he gets, the easier it is for the party to get major party status in future elections, thus potentially breaking up the 2-party system.

-Arlos

hi this is why i vote Green 100% of the time

[Arlos]

Ahhh, but Brin, you weren't the one ranting about how he hated both candidates and was a member of a 3rd party, but was going to vote for one of the people he hates, despite there being a candidate of his party on the ballot, and there being possible serious positive long-term effects (from his point of view) by voting for the guy in his party....

I mean, seriously, doing exactly what Diekan said he was going to do is why we don't have any viable 3rd parties in this country right now. By all accounts, Bob Barr may well get some serious votes this time, because the Fiscal Conservative block has no other candidate that fits their desired profile. (McCain's economic plan would actually increase the deficit over 10 years by almost 2 TRILLION more than even Obama's, and Palin is anything but a fiscal conservative, if you look at her actual record) So, if ANY time is ripe for the Libertarians to move into the major party status, it's most certainly THIS election. So, if Diekan really does vote for McCain, despite hating him, rather than voting for the party he claims to be part of, methinks he should give up the pretense of being a libertarian, and just admit he's another Republidrone.

-Arlos

[Diekan]

Ahhh, but Brin, you weren't the one ranting about how he hated both candidates and was a member of a 3rd party, but was going to vote for one of the people he hates, despite there being a candidate of his party on the ballot, and there being possible serious positive long-term effects (from his point of view) by voting for the guy in his party....

I mean, seriously, doing exactly what Diekan said he was going to do is why we don't have any viable 3rd partis in this country right now. So, if he really does vote for McCain, despite hating him, methinks he should give up the pretense of being a libertarian, and just admit he's another Republidrone.

-Arlos

At the moment the Libertarian party doesn't have a realistic chance of winning. A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for Obama as fas as I am concerned right now. If this election was between McCain and someone other than Obama (someone much less socialist in his politics) I might very well consider voting Libertarian to "make a point." But as it stands - Obama is far more dangerous to this country than McCain. I'd rather McCain win THEN worry about building the popularity of the Libertarian party.

[Arlos]

Yeah, and next election you still won't like the democratic candidate, and so you'll vote republican, and the one after that, and after that, and after that...

You're exactly the type of person that is at the root of there being no viable alternate parties. You have perhaps the first chance in a very long time to make a 3rd party really matter, and you're not taking it.

A person is defined by his actions, not what he protests. You continually vote Republican, you're another republidrone, no matter how much you might bleat that you're REALLY a Libertarian, honest! At least admit it to yourself, why don't you? Self-delusion isn't healthy...

-Arlos

[Diekan]

By doing so would most certainly lead to the election of a naive, inexperienced socialist. No thanks.

If Lieberman were running against McCain you'd have a valid point. But, Obama? LOL no way man. A guy who wants to "slow the development of future weapon systems?" Among many other "things." No way I want him in the White House. And, if it means I have to vote GOP to keep him out, then so be it.

[Tikker]

At the moment the Libertarian party doesn't have a realistic chance of winning. A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for Obama as fas as I am concerned right now.

this is the stupid fucking reason your political system is so fucked up

you dipshits are so concerned with keeping soandso out of office, that no one votes for who they actually want in office


so retarded

[brinstar]

hey don't say "no one" tikker

say "almost no one"


and diekan, thanks for being a part of the problem instead of part of the solution, way to be a fuckheaded moron

[Tikker]

hey don't say "no one" tikker

say "almost no one"


and diekan, thanks for being a part of the problem instead of part of the solution, way to be a fuckheaded moron

yes, you're correct


and I'm not implying those kind of politics are exclusive to the US