Obama admits to Muslim faith, and then backpedals

[Narrock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

He's finished now for sure, thank God. Now he needs to crawl back to the cave he slithered out of and needs to STFU... never to be heard from again.

[Arlos]

That's no more an admission to being muslim than that other clip from a while back "proves" he believes there are 57 states. It's a slip of the tongue where what he was saying raced ahead of what he was thinking. I do the same thing myself.

If he was muslim, why did he attend a christian church for decades, far before he ever went into politics? Say what you will about Wright, but that church is most definitely Christian, as confirmed by plenty of people, white and black alike.

Besides which, last I checked, there is nothing whatsoever in the Constitution preventing a muslim from being president, even if he were, which he isn't. Sheer prejudice to think that would in any way disqualify him, no better or different than thinking he should be disqualified because he's black.

-Arlos

[Lueyen]

Sheer prejudice to think that would in any way disqualify him, no better or different than thinking he should be disqualified because he's black.

-Arlos

Arlos I agree with everything you said up until this last part. I'm assuming you are not talking about legalities here because there is nothing legally preventing either or black person or a Muslim from being president. There is a difference between making a personal decision about someones presidential viability based on race versus religion. Race is not an indicator of perspective and values, religion however is. And no I don't think Obama is a Muslim, and even if he was that would not change my opinion of him either way assuming he wasn't a proponent of Sharia law ect.

[Narrock]

That's no more an admission to being muslim than that other clip from a while back "proves" he believes there are 57 states. It's a slip of the tongue where what he was saying raced ahead of what he was thinking. I do the same thing myself.

If he was muslim, why did he attend a christian church for decades, far before he ever went into politics? Say what you will about Wright, but that church is most definitely Christian, as confirmed by plenty of people, white and black alike.

Besides which, last I checked, there is nothing whatsoever in the Constitution preventing a muslim from being president, even if he were, which he isn't. Sheer prejudice to think that would in any way disqualify him, no better or different than thinking he should be disqualified because he's black.

-Arlos

Why must you always (without fail) preserve, protect, and defend members of your precious party when they have clearly screwed up (and not just a mere "slip of the tongue")? You are always very articulate Arlos, but you tow the political line quite heavily. Can't you just admit when a political candidate on the left screws up and then move on? Sheeesh!

When ol slick Willie got caught philandering with Monica Lewinski all we got out of you was, "It was JUST a blow job."

When the Hildebeast lied about being caught under fire when she landed in Iraq all we got out of you was, "All politicians lie" or something like that.

When hundreds of Scientists proved that Algore was WRONG about man-made global warming, all you did was find some leftist-leaning scientific website and quoted some gibberish from a crackhead scientist.

When Obama stuttered and hemmed and hawed a few months ago in a major speech, all you did was point out what a retard Bush was.

Now with Obama's "slip" in his interview with George Steponallofus, all you can say was that it was a mere "slip of the tongue?" C'mon dude. Really. The only "slip" Obama made was letting the cat out of the bag, not a mere mixup of words.

[brinstar]

what's that buzzing sound?


oh it's a republidrone

[Trielelvan]

*snip*

You realize this, yes? Please tell me you see this...

[leah]

HOW CAN ANYONE DENY MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING?!

[Arlos]

Hey, when they screw up, I'm entirely willing to admit it.

Clinton never in a million years should've gotten blow jobs from Monica. it was a violation of his marriage vows, and a spectacularly stupid move for someone in that prominent of a position to do. Utterly idiotic. I just don't think illicit oral sex, between two consenting adults (albeit one of them married), is sufficient cause and grounds for impeachment. Censure him, sure, but a witch hunt to kick him out of office was way out of proportion.

Hillary, also was retarded for doing that. As you recall, I never have been a big Hillary supporter, I merely don't understand why so many people seem to hate her guts so intensely. But I never supported her over other options for the democratic candidate this time around. Yes, she was rightfully ridiculed for claiming she landed under fire. It was moronic, and she deserved to be slammed for it.

One you also missed was Edwards. I was definitely right up front with calling him a raving idiot for his affair, especially considering he was running for president AND his wife had cancer.

But if we're comparing philandering notes, remember this: McCain is more guilty than Clinton is. McCain's first wife waited for him the entire time he was a prisoner, was faithful and took care of the kids. She just had the bad luck to get into a car accident, and wasn't as physically attractive when he came back due to multiple surgeries, etc. Within a year of him getting home, he was sleeping around, and finally met his current wife who he went after because a) she was gorgeous at the time, and b) was Rich-rich. He carried on with her for 6 months, then while his wife was in the hospital recovering from surgery, went in and demanded a divorce. He bribed her with a house and agreeing to pay for her medical bills for life, both of which he could now afford since the new chick was a mega-rich heiress.

So which is worse, getting a blowjob, or multiple affairs, followed by demanding a divorce while your wife, who had been faithful to you for 5+ years while you were a prisoner, while she was in the hospital no less? This doesn't even begin to excuse Clinton, don't get me wrong, but I think what McCain did is FAR worse.

As for Gore, I don't think he has ever been disproved in man-made global warming. Indeed, that is the pretty much universally accepted theory among the vast majority of climatologists, etc. Science has proved him right, not wrong. I realize you don't believe him, but do some research on it, and you'll see that you're in a minority on this.

As for Obama, I simply do not even begin to believe he is a muslim. I don't think he has EVER been a muslim. His dad might have been, but his dad split when Obama was still a baby, so hard for him to have had much influence, huh? Obama and his family were also extremely active practitioners at a christian church. Went to mass every week, worked with their outreach efforts to the poor, etc. He's also written about his faith in his books. Hell, check Snopes, they show there that he's been a member of the protestant faith, the United Church of Christ (which has over 1.2 million members), since the mid 1980s, long before he went into politics.

Yes, Obama stuttered in one speech. It's a screw up, it happens. Did you listen to McCain talking at Sturgis? He was babbling like an idiot. I give him a pass on that for the same reason: mistakes happen, especially when one is exhausted from long days on the campaign trail. Now, go listen to Obama's speech from the convention, and see if he stuttered or misspoke. I'll tell you in advance: not once, it was an awesome speech, and it stood up far better to fact checking by factcheck.org than did either McCain's or Palin's.

So, since I do not for one minute believe he is a muslim, I don't believe he "revealed" anything, other than the fact that he's human, and his brain disconnected from his mouth temporarily, and he mixed up two trains of thought into 1 statement. I've done that, I am sure so have most everyone else.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

Ok well thanks for admitting some shortcomings of your peeps

[Narrock]

HOW CAN ANYONE DENY MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING?!

Um... It's already been proven to be cyclical, not man-made.

[Arlos]

Actually, last I heard, no one doubts that there are cyclical elements to the planet's temperature, but it's pretty conclusive that man-made effects are making things much, much worse.

Besides which, as someone else pointed out, the WORST case of trying to reduce pollution if it ISN'T us is that we're out money, but have clean air, water, forests, etc. to show for it. Hardly a downside, IMHO. Yet if we DON'T do something and it IS us, we're fucked. Thus, it seems to be that to err on the side of caution, trying to curb pollution is rather important...

Ok well thanks for admitting some shortcomings of your peeps

You're welcome. So what do you have to say about McCain's infidelities?

-Arlos

[Gypsiyee]

Every time you post something like this, you completely discredit anything you say in the future, Mindia. I hate seeing you go back down this road, because for a couple years you were actually really great to talk to.

As far as not admitting when someone f's up, how about charging taxpayers for when you stay in your own home? So much for "cutting pork"? Your VP candidate is about as full of shit as they come.

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ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.

The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.

Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin's expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.

Before she became the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee, Palin was little known outside Alaska. Now, with the campaign emphasizing her executive experience, her record as mayor of Wasilla, as a state oil-and-gas commissioner and as governor is receiving intense scrutiny.

During her speech at the Republican National Convention last week, Palin cast herself as a crusader for fiscal rectitude as Alaska's governor. She noted that she sold a state-owned plane used by the former governor. "While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for," she said to loud applause.

Speaking from Palin's Anchorage office, Leighow said Palin dealt with the plane and also trimmed other expenses, including forgoing a chef in the governor's mansion because she preferred to cook for her family. The first family's travel is an expected part of the job, she said.

"As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state," she said. "It's absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events."

The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor's office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: "The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it."

The popular governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days. Palin moved her family to the capital during the legislative session last year, but prefers to stay in Wasilla and drive 45 miles to Anchorage to a state office building where she conducts most of her business, aides have said.

Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla, the reports show.

She wrote some form of "Lodging -- own residence" or "Lodging -- Wasilla residence" more than 30 times at the same time she took a per diem, according to the reports. In two dozen undated amendments to the reports, the governor deleted the reference to staying in her home but still charged the per diem.

Palin charged the state a per diem for working on Nov. 22, 2007 -- Thanksgiving Day. The reason given, according to the expense report, was the Great Alaska Shootout, an annual NCAA college basketball tournament held in Anchorage.

In separate filings, the state was billed about $25,000 for Palin's daughters' expenses and $19,000 for her husband's.

Flights topped the list for the most expensive items, and the daughter whose bill was the highest was Piper, 7, whose flights cost nearly $11,000, while Willow, 14, claimed about $6,000 and Bristol, 17, accounted for about $3,400.

One event was in New York City in October 2007, when Bristol accompanied the governor to Newsweek's third annual Women and Leadership Conference, toured the New York Stock Exchange and met local officials and business executives. The state paid for three nights in a $707-a-day hotel room. Garnero said the governor's office has the authority to approve hotel stays above $300.

Asked Monday about the official policy on charging for children's travel expenses, Garnero said: "We cover the expenses of anyone who's conducting state business. I can't imagine kids could be doing that."

But Leighow said many of the hundreds of invitations Palin receives include requests for her to bring her family, placing the definition of "state business" with the party extending the invitation.

One such invitation came in October 2007, when Willow flew to Juneau to join the Palin family on a tour of the Hub Juneau Christian Teen Center, where Palin and her family worship when they are in Juneau. The state gave the center $25,000, according to a May 2008 memo.

Leighow noted that under state policy, all of the governor's children are entitled to per diem expenses, even her infant son. "The first family declined the per diem [for] the children," Leighow said. "The amount that they had declined was $4,461, as of August 5."

The family also charged for flights around the state, including trips to Alaska events such as the start of the Iditarod dog-sled race and the Iron Dog snowmobile race, a contest that Todd Palin won.

Meanwhile, Todd Palin spent $725 to fly to Edmonton, Alberta, for "information gathering and planning meeting with Northern Alberta Institute of Technology," according to an expense report. During the three-day trip, he charged the state $291 for his per diem. A notation said "costs paid by Dept. of Labor." He also billed the state $1,371 for a flight to Washington to attend a National Governors Association meeting with his wife.

Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski. He traveled often in an executive jet that Palin called an extravagance during her campaign. She sold it after she was sworn into office.

"She flies coach and encourages her cabinet to fly coach as well," said Garnero, whose job is equivalent to state controller. "Some do, some don't."

Leighow said that the governor's staff has tallied the travel expenses charged by Murkowski's wife: $35,675 in 2006, $43,659 in 2005, $13,607 in 2004 and $29,608 in 2003. Associates of Murkowski said the former governor was moose hunting and could not be reached to comment.

In the past, per diem claims by Alaska state officials have carried political risks. In 1988, the head of the state Commerce Department was pilloried for collecting a per diem charge of $50 while staying in his Anchorage home, according to local news accounts. The commissioner, the late Tony Smith, resigned amid a series of controversies.

"It was quite the little scandal," said Tony Knowles, the Democratic governor from 1994 to 2000. "I gave a direction to all my commissioners if they were ever in their house, whether it was Juneau or elsewhere, they were not to get a per diem because, clearly, it is and it looks like a scam -- you pay yourself to live at home," he said.

Knowles, whose children were school-age at the start of his first term, said that his wife sometimes accompanied him to conferences overseas but that he could "count on one hand" the number of times his children accompanied him.

"And the policy was not to reimburse for family travel on commercial airlines, because there is no direct public benefit to schlepping kids around the state," he said. The rules were articulated by Mike Nizich, then director of administrative services in the governor's office, said Knowles and an aide to another former governor, Walter Hickel.

Nizich is now Palin's chief of staff. He did not return a phone call seeking comment. The rules governing family travel on state-owned aircraft appear less clear. Knowles said he operated under the understanding that immediate family could accompany the governor without charge.

But during the Murkowski years, that practice was questioned, and the state attorney general's office produced an opinion saying laws then in effect required reimbursement for spousal travel.

Research editor Alice Crites in Washington contributed to this report.

[Evermore]

Mindia,

what world do you live in? Really?

[Nusk]

so watched the vid, yeah slip of the tongue... so he didnt insert the word "supposed" before he said my muslim faith.

this one is an obvious gaff and not an admission

[Naethyn]

Honestly, either way, who cares? Do you honestly believe the people who call themselves religious right don't use this to get YOUR vote? Which is worse?

[Martrae]

Seriously, Erik, there are so many other things you could be focusing on about Obama that are REAL issues. This continued "he's a Muslim" and dwelling on his middle name just undermines any credibility you might have when/if you talk about anything with substance to it.

If all you can find to dislike about the man is superficial bullshit then you aren't looking deep enough.

[Evermore]

Mar, its all he has..

[leah]

heeeee but martrae, his middle name is hussein, he must be the second coming of saddam!!!! :eyeroll:

[araby]

Leah's post reminded me of Jon Stewart's video of Obama during the DNC. Hilarity! I am enjoying their shows even more so right now.

Stephen Colbert: "So I was in St. Paul yesterday. Got the hell outta there." Shit, everything he says keeps me smiling through the entire show. I love their similarities *and* their differences.

[Drem]

he guess what it's another thread where Mindia's a stupid fucking faggot

SURPRISE SURPRISE LOL

ONE STEP FORWARD, TWO STEPS BACK FOR MINDIA, JUST LIKE HIS IDOL GEORGE W. BUSH

[Ganzo]

I'm just surprised, that anyone could vote, for someone that is advocating Equal Pay for Equal Work, regardless of his faith.

[Tikker]

err, what's wrong with equal pay for equal work?

[ClakarEQ]

I'm just surprised, that anyone could vote, for someone that is advocating Equal Pay for Equal Work, regardless of his faith.

I have to assume this is sarcasm

[ClakarEQ]

O and one other thing, Obama better kick up his advertising / campaining a bit, he will be falling behind, spending too much time responding to all the lies and not enough dirt throwing on his own. The metronom(sp) is swining the other way, McGrave and his ho are getting too much attention

So much for keeping everything on the "up and up".

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lol post 11!!!!111!one (1111)

[Martrae]

I agree Clakar. He's allowed McCain to get the upper hand and all his recent remarks are starting to sound desperate. He needs to get a grip if he hopes to win.