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Lyion wrote:First, all politicians want power and control. To try to say one side doesn't is a bunch of partisan BS. They get this control by trying to use wedge issues to get money from paranoid and ill informed people. They pass huge budgets and say it's for the people. Also a bunch of garbage. How'd that massive stimulus work out? Pretty good for some big DNC supporting companies.
Lyion wrote:The private sector did not create the 14 Trillion dollar debt, nor use immoral and unethical kickbacks to public employee unions in a corrupt manner to fill politician campaign coffers. The private sector did not create the travesty of Fannie and Freddie which are bleeding us of tens of billions each year. The public sector did not authorize the wars in the Middle East. State and local government ran surpluses throughout much of the last decade. Yet, they continued to spend and spend, much of it on kickbacks, and with no thought for the future. The private sector did not create these bloated state pension systems that are at the core of why so many states are going broke.
I do find it interesting you gripe about the government telling you want to do. I'll let Rand Paul explain my thoughts on what the real problem is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDHaeEsNF0
Mark, most people do not share in the leftist pro government views that many on this board do. I'm not a big fan of the tea party, but I do think anyone who rails about how we need to pay more taxes is wrong. What we need to do is simplify the tax system and create a fair way for business to operate. It's great Obama likes his health care bill. It's utter crap he exempts unions and his business buddies from it. It was great Bush wanted to protect the country. Likewise it was terrible he gave billion dollar no bid defense contracts to his business friends. What's fair about that? It's a travesty we have one of the worst corporate tax rates in the world. It's an even bigger travesty that most corporations use loopholes to avoid paying so much of it.
I personally would rather cut the bloated entitlement model and just spend what we have. Heaven forbid if we do that, though. The children would all die and the sun would crash into the earth.
Harrison wrote:Lol all I have to say to that wall of text is, "Where's your tinfoil hat? The government is reading your thoughts and on the way now!" (Clakar's fear of the government wall of text that is...)
where did the debt come from? inefficiency, poor bidding processes, and political manoeuvring. who wants to be known as "the senator who voted to raise YOUR taxes"? solving a deficit boils down to two general concepts: spending less or taxing more. the best plans incorporate a balance of both. but there is a disconnect in the collective consciousness - we want what we already have, even if there's no long any way to pay for it. polits do their best to keep their friends rich (rock) and avoid the negative press of raising taxes (hard place) which leaves the rest of us stuck with the bill.
Lyion wrote:It's too bad every country can't have a kick ass, great leader like this who really gets it economically, eh, Zancreampuff.where did the debt come from? inefficiency, poor bidding processes, and political manoeuvring. who wants to be known as "the senator who voted to raise YOUR taxes"? solving a deficit boils down to two general concepts: spending less or taxing more. the best plans incorporate a balance of both. but there is a disconnect in the collective consciousness - we want what we already have, even if there's no long any way to pay for it. polits do their best to keep their friends rich (rock) and avoid the negative press of raising taxes (hard place) which leaves the rest of us stuck with the bill.
Government does everything inefficiently. It's why anything run by them costs more and is done worse than something run by a private corporation. A bigger problem is our two party system which allows for each side to make deals to ensure they are getting their fair share of the money and power.
We're amassing a debt, but the simple truth is the entitlements that effect seniors are the biggest scare right now. The AARP contingent holds serious power, far more than the Tea party, unionists, or anyone else.
You can bomb countries. You can union bust. You can kill babies. However, fuck with anything within the purview of the AARP and their core focus and your party will pay the price.
Government does everything inefficiently
Arlos wrote:Government does everything inefficiently
That is actually not true. Look at Medicare vs private insurance for just one example.
Medicare has, last I looked, about a 3% overhead. That means 97 cents of every dollar that goes into Medicare gets spent on actual patient care of some kind. Private insurers have a 20-30% overhead.... Yay, efficiency?
Tikker wrote:Any time that you have to try and decide whether or not it's profitable to heal someone you're already doing it wrong
KaiineTN wrote:You're already doing it wrong when you take from your neighbor to give to someone else who you deem to be in need.
KaiineTN wrote:The government has the authority to tax citizens, as long as it is for the benefit of all. It most certainly does not have the right to tax you more than me, and then use that money to fund my education, or health care, or housing, or unemployment benefits. Not only is it unethical to take from one group to give to another, but our economy would have a much better foundation without such government subsidization.
Tikker wrote:There are certain things that the private sector will never do well
Medicare is one of them
Any time that you have to try and decide whether or not it's profitable to heal someone you're already doing it wrong
Every system will have abuses. People are fuckwads that way
Some things will be better private but some things are better to be run in the public interest
KaiineTN wrote:The government has the authority to tax citizens, as long as it is for the benefit of all. It most certainly does not have the right to tax you more than me, and then use that money to fund my education, or health care, or housing, or unemployment benefits. Not only is it unethical to take from one group to give to another, but our economy would have a much better foundation without such government subsidization.
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