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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:51 am
by Ginzburgh
In essence, you got bitchslapped and ran.
That pretty much sums up his entire career on this message board. People he knows in real life probably think he's a douche bag too.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:44 am
by Phlegm
ClakarEQ wrote:Not being a scientist nor up to date on dateing techniques (perhaps a missed a post someplace describing it).
How does science know if something is a million vs 500,000 years old? In a prior post I thought lucy was "dated" using carbon dating. Then another poster (arlos I think) mentioned carbon dating is only applicable for up to 60,000 years.
Just trying to understand.
Do they look at what layer of the soil a specific fossil is found in?
Does carbon dating have "limits" or hard caps and what are they?
I saw a show a few days ago re: lucy and I was nearly certain they used carbon dating but perhaps I was wrong or misunderstood.
Scientists use potassium or uranium isotopes instead of carbon to date things older than 60 thousand years old since those have longer half-life than carbon.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:58 am
by Langston
Potassium-argon dating is commonly used.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:23 pm
by Spacewoman Spiff
Ginzburgh wrote: I have already demonstrated that I know what irony means. Your comment was ironic in and of itself because a great many of you misuse and don't understand the word, as well as "oxymoron." I'm surprised many of you even graduated grammar school.
So because you learned the word "oxymoron" in some mandatory gen-ed requirement "intro to poetry" class after 40 years of being a loser you are suddenly surprised that we even graduated grammar school. lol.
Actually, he didn't. He's pretty much empirically proven that he doesn't have the faintest clue what an oxymoronic phrase is.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:05 pm
by Gypsiyee
yah.. he's a little bass-ackwards on the whole irony/oxymoron deal
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:22 pm
by Gidan
Ganzo wrote:Sma is not a comandment, so in this case i'd side with Ellen G
Forgive my ignorace of Sma, but I cant find reference to it anywhere. What is it?
When I posted
The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Almost every place I look says this is in refence to the first commandment.
let me quote the whole thing for further explination
Mark 12:28-34
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.
Being as there are so many different version of the 10 Commandments, I am using the version right off the top of Wiki
1. "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."
or it could also refer to
2. You shall have no other gods besides Me"
The second listed seems very closely related especially when you consider the responce of
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:58 pm
by Ganzo
Gidan wrote:Ganzo wrote:Shma is not a comandment, so in this case i'd side with Ellen G
Forgive my ignorace of Shma, but I cant find reference to it anywhere. What is it?
When I posted
The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
"Shma Israel, HaSHEM Elokeinu, HaSHEM Ehad." - "Hear, O Israel, our Lord/God is Almighty, Lord/God is One."(proper translation)
“And you shall love HaSHEM your Elohim,
With all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your possessions.
And these words, which I command you this day shall be upon your heart.
And you shall teach them to your children
And speak of them when you sit in your home,
When you walk up the way,
When you lie down and when you rise up.
And you shall bind them for a sign upon your hand
And they shall be Tefillin between your eyes.
And you shall write them
On the doorposts of your homes
And upon your gates.” Davarim (Deut) 6:5-9
Comandment is to remember and recite this words, words themselfs are not a comandment. Words are esentialy Jewish pledge of allegiance to God. They are the words that Jacob(Israel) sons told him before he died.
However Christians do not follow One God, so to them Sabbath would take presidence and be most important comandment.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:50 pm
by brinstar
Mindia wrote:Gidan is a fucking idiot.
someone please remind the jesus troll what forum we're in
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:20 am
by Narrock
brinstar wrote:Mindia wrote:Gidan is a fucking idiot.
someone please remind the jesus troll what forum we're in
How about I remind you to STFU and eat a bag of dicks?
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:23 am
by Susvain
LOL a bag of dicks
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:24 am
by Narrock
Ganzo wrote:Gidan wrote:Ganzo wrote:Shma is not a comandment, so in this case i'd side with Ellen G
Forgive my ignorace of Shma, but I cant find reference to it anywhere. What is it?
When I posted
The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
"Shma Israel, HaSHEM Elokeinu, HaSHEM Ehad." - "Hear, O Israel, our Lord/God is Almighty, Lord/God is One."(proper translation)
“And you shall love HaSHEM your Elohim,
With all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your possessions.
And these words, which I command you this day shall be upon your heart.
And you shall teach them to your children
And speak of them when you sit in your home,
When you walk up the way,
When you lie down and when you rise up.
And you shall bind them for a sign upon your hand
And they shall be Tefillin between your eyes.
And you shall write them
On the doorposts of your homes
And upon your gates.” Davarim (Deut) 6:5-9
Comandment is to remember and recite this words, words themselfs are not a comandment. Words are esentialy Jewish pledge of allegiance to God. They are the words that Jacob(Israel) sons told him before he died.
However Christians do not follow One God, so to them Sabbath would take presidence and be most important comandment.
Fairly decent post Ganzo, but the only Christian denomination that has more than one God is the Catholics. They worship Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and they also worship idols (statues, rosary beads, etc). Protestant Christians believe that there is only
one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.
Just thought I'd clarify that for you.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:04 am
by brinstar
Mindia wrote:brinstar wrote:Mindia wrote:Gidan is a fucking idiot.
someone please remind the jesus troll what forum we're in
How about I remind you to STFU and eat a bag of dicks?
keep digging, troll
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:04 am
by Ganzo
Mindia wrote:Fairly decent post Ganzo, but the only Christian denomination that has more than one God is the Catholics. They worship Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and they also worship idols (statues, rosary beads, etc). Protestant Christians believe that there is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.
Just thought I'd clarify that for you.
Beg to differ but "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons." is 3 persons to me. On top of that you worship Jesus as well as God of old testament.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:56 am
by Minrott
What?
The Holy Spirit is a person? It's not The Holy Person. It's the Holy Spirit. Spirit of God. The son, Jesus, is of God. 3 in 1 does not equal 3 seperate. And there's a different God in the old testament? I must have missed that day of bible school.
And for fucks sake Catholics are strange but going around saying they "worship rosary beads" is god damned ridiculous. That's like saying all Christians worship false idols because they use the cross as a symbol of Christ. Keep fishing.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:41 am
by Langston
Look! It's Mindia being stupid again!
*GASP!*
Catholics don't worship Mary or rosary beads...
They worship the Pope. Get your facts straight dumbshit.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:21 am
by xaoshaen
Mindia wrote:Fairly decent post Ganzo, but the only Christian denomination that has more than one God is the Catholics. They worship Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and they also worship idols (statues, rosary beads, etc). Protestant Christians believe that there is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.
Just thought I'd clarify that for you.
Hey look Mindia doesn't know any more about Catholicism than he does about Protestantism. Shocking!
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:22 am
by xaoshaen
Ganzo wrote:Beg to differ but "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons." is 3 persons to me. On top of that you worship Jesus as well as God of old testament.
The triune doctrine specifies a single god, Ganzo.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:38 am
by Narrock
Ganzo wrote:Mindia wrote:Fairly decent post Ganzo, but the only Christian denomination that has more than one God is the Catholics. They worship Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and they also worship idols (statues, rosary beads, etc). Protestant Christians believe that there is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.
Just thought I'd clarify that for you.
Beg to differ but "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons." is 3 persons to me. On top of that you worship Jesus as well as God of old testament.
That's where you, as well as many other people are misinterpreting or not understanding it. It's ok. I'm not condemning you for it. It is a difficult concept to grasp for a lot of people. Think of it as a rope... a rope usually has 3 strands intertwined together that make it a "rope." The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit... intertwined together to form the one true living God. And on top of that you've been taught Judaism since your a boy so for you to accept this would be nearly impossible, and I understand that as well.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:39 am
by Narrock
Langston wrote:Look! It's Mindia being stupid again!
*GASP!*
Catholics don't worship Mary or rosary beads...
They worship the Pope. Get your facts straight dumbshit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:40 am
by Narrock
xaoshaen wrote:Mindia wrote:Fairly decent post Ganzo, but the only Christian denomination that has more than one God is the Catholics. They worship Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and they also worship idols (statues, rosary beads, etc). Protestant Christians believe that there is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.
Just thought I'd clarify that for you.
Hey look Mindia doesn't know any more about Catholicism than he does about Protestantism. Shocking!
I've witnessed Catholics kneeling down and praying before ceramic statues of MARY, you dumbshit. That is worshiping Mary, and idolatry together. Great combination...
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:52 am
by xaoshaen
Mindia wrote:I've witnessed Catholics kneeling down and praying before ceramic statues of MARY, you dumbshit. That is worshiping Mary, and idolatry together. Great combination...
Right, because kneeling and praying in front of a cross
clearly indicates that you're worshipping the cross. If you dare to kneel and pray inside a church, you're obviously worshipping the building. For some odd reason I expected even you to be able to formulate a better argument than that tripe.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:17 am
by Narrock
xaoshaen wrote:Mindia wrote:I've witnessed Catholics kneeling down and praying before ceramic statues of MARY, you dumbshit. That is worshiping Mary, and idolatry together. Great combination...
Right, because kneeling and praying in front of a cross
clearly indicates that you're worshipping the cross. If you dare to kneel and pray inside a church, you're obviously worshipping the building. For some odd reason I expected even you to be able to formulate a better argument than that tripe.
It figures that
you can't differentiate between a symbol, and an idol or statue. The cross symbolizes Christ's ultimate sacrifice. A statue of Mary symbolizes a kiln-dried piece of ceramic material. If you want to kneel down and pray before that... be my guest. Rosary beads are nothing but plastic or other material beads on a string. Maybe if you rub them long enough a Genie will pop up and grant you 3 wishes. Let me know how that works out for you.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:21 am
by mofish
Maybe if you pray to your cross hard enough jesus will appear and forgive you. Wait no he wont, cause he wasnt the son of god, his mother wasnt a virgin, and he didnt rise from the dead. Grats dude, you worship a lie!
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:24 am
by Narrock
mofish wrote:Maybe if you pray to your cross hard enough jesus will appear and forgive you. Wait no he wont, cause he wasnt the son of god, his mother wasnt a virgin, and he didnt rise from the dead. Grats dude, you worship a lie!
Hey man, if you choose to not believe in Jesus the Savior, and Creation... good for you. But don't condemn those of us who do.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:32 am
by xaoshaen
Mindia wrote:It figures that you can't differentiate between a symbol, and an idol or statue. The cross symbolizes Christ's ultimate sacrifice. A statue of Mary symbolizes a kiln-dried piece of ceramic material. If you want to kneel down and pray before that... be my guest. Rosary beads are nothing but plastic or other material beads on a string. Maybe if you rub them long enough a Genie will pop up and grant you 3 wishes. Let me know how that works out for you.
Yes, yes it does figure that I wouldn't differentiate between an idol and a symbol, as the primary definition of an idol is ,"a representation or
symbol of an object of worship". We can just add 'idol' to the list of English words you're incapable of using correctly.
Let's count the mistakes you've made in the quoted post alone, shall we?
1. Attempting to proclaim the cross a symbol and a statue an idol.
2. Claiming that a statue of the Virgin Mary can only symbolize its material components, thus violating the definition of the term "symbolize".
3. Claiming that one item can only represent its material components, while another is intrinsically anagogous.
4. Implying that people, presumably Catholics, believe a Rosary possesses some form of innate power, when it's actually merely a memory aid.
Hell, I'm not Catholic, never have been and I've picked up that much in passing. A theologian such as yourself really should be more familiar with the tenets of other faiths before you start attacking them.