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Gypsiyee wrote:

Ganzo wrote:Ban baseball bats

This is factually inaccurate, and frankly I'm a little surprised that something so wildly incorrect is coming from you since you usually substantiate your arguments. What that chart does is take factual data and twists it beyond recognition. The 16k figure is the number for all homicides, including firearms. The person who made that is apparently illiterate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... _final.pdf

Information collected regarding type of weapon showed that firearms were used
in 67.7 percent of the nation’s murders, 41.3 percent of robberies, and 21.2 percent of aggravated assaults

If that report isn't good enough... since that little graphic that's coming from fairy-land wants to cite the FBI and CDC, you have the FBI link above.. here's the CDC link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf

Check out page 37.

67.7% of the nations murders--that's almost 11.5k of 16.8k--committed with a firearm. That's an overwhelming majority. I have no idea where the "data" about baseball bats comes from.. but baseball bats are intended to use in, you know, baseball games. Guns are intended to be used in.... anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

...right, shooting things.

And here's another, just in case: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and- ... icide.html

As for Spazz, I don't really disagree with anything you said in the paragraph you addressed to me. But we also have to consider why it got the way it is today, and I think where you and I differ is that I think the culture we've created in adoration of our right to bear arms plays a significant role in why violence runs so rampant here. We may not have the highest firearm homicide rate in the world, but that's probably because that title belongs to countries also topping the list in drug trafficking. But I cannot and will not ever be able to fathom why we have 5% of the world's population and something like 50% of the world's guns. That's absurd. I will also never be on board with handguns or any type of automatic. It's just unnecessary. It's necessary for you, perhaps, but it's necessary for you because of the paradoxical chicken and egg scenario. If shitbird assholes didn't have them and use them to do heinous things, you--a responsible person--wouldn't need one to defend yourself.

No one is saying the gun convinces people to do bad things. I'm saying that the gun gives bad people an easy means of accomplishing those things that they would not otherwise have.

Spazz wrote:Well claker wish in one hand in shit in the other.


Claker guns off the shelves because of all this hystarical talk so im pretty sure im not alone in thinking a ban is a silly idea. Ive answered your qurstions and ive posted my counyers which you have ignored.

Another thing this isnt all i know. I grew up in canton one of the safest white places for the safest white people in our state. I know not everywhere is a lsum and not everywhere is life and death but not everyone lives in those places.

ALso your being condescending and you can sucka dick. My eyes are wide oen i guess im just looking at a different picture than you are. Then your going to go and act like if it happens again its my fault cuz i dont agree with you ? You can go sucka dick.

I believe that if our founding fathers could foresee the type of fire arms and arsenal our military would have today, they might have chosen their words a bit more carefully. I mean back in those day's the musket was a weapon of choice. I have no problems with everyone carrying around a musket.

Check this out heres what I believe. YOU ARE A FUCKIN IDIOT WHO HAS NEVER READ A US HISTORY BOOK. Seriously the guns are not what would freak them out and if you ever paid attention to what they believed and fought for you wouldnt have such a retarded fuckin notion in your mind. Want to know what would give them a meltdown ? The fact that we have a huge standing army are at war with half the world and that we have an empire seems to be a lot more likely to be what would upset them. Back then times were a lot harder and people were a lot more hardened to death than any video games and movies could ever make you.

Yall are some pussies and you make me feel ashamed. Go ahead just give in to em. give em what they want and they will leave you alone. Tell me claker when some hood pulls a blade out on me are you going to come defend me? Come to my funeral? You miss what I have repeatedly told you about the go to weapon down here ? Im not afraid of guns as i keep one and i can shoot back if needs be but the thought of going hand to hand with a man with a blade really does make me lose sleep some nights.

11 seconds out of your life go ahead and watch it and then tell me what youd do cuz this shit happens down here a lot.






this guy does a good job of explaining it







That right there is the number one reason why I carry a gun and a ban isnt going to protect me from that its going to put me at thats mercy. Im not afraid of spree killers your chances of you or a loved one getting killed by one are pretty slim. Im not even afraid of other guns as most people who carry them are either like me or business men and if i dont run afoul of them they arent going to bother me.

Ganzo wrote:

Gypsiyee wrote:

Ganzo wrote:Ban baseball bats

This is factually inaccurate, and frankly I'm a little surprised that something so wildly incorrect is coming from you since you usually substantiate your arguments. What that chart does is take factual data and twists it beyond recognition. The 16k figure is the number for all homicides, including firearms. The person who made that is apparently illiterate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... _final.pdf

Information collected regarding type of weapon showed that firearms were used
in 67.7 percent of the nation’s murders, 41.3 percent of robberies, and 21.2 percent of aggravated assaults

If that report isn't good enough... since that little graphic that's coming from fairy-land wants to cite the FBI and CDC, you have the FBI link above.. here's the CDC link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf

Check out page 37.

67.7% of the nations murders--that's almost 11.5k of 16.8k--committed with a firearm. That's an overwhelming majority. I have no idea where the "data" about baseball bats comes from.. but baseball bats are intended to use in, you know, baseball games. Guns are intended to be used in.... anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

...right, shooting things.

And here's another, just in case: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and- ... icide.html

As for Spazz, I don't really disagree with anything you said in the paragraph you addressed to me. But we also have to consider why it got the way it is today, and I think where you and I differ is that I think the culture we've created in adoration of our right to bear arms plays a significant role in why violence runs so rampant here. We may not have the highest firearm homicide rate in the world, but that's probably because that title belongs to countries also topping the list in drug trafficking. But I cannot and will not ever be able to fathom why we have 5% of the world's population and something like 50% of the world's guns. That's absurd. I will also never be on board with handguns or any type of automatic. It's just unnecessary. It's necessary for you, perhaps, but it's necessary for you because of the paradoxical chicken and egg scenario. If shitbird assholes didn't have them and use them to do heinous things, you--a responsible person--wouldn't need one to defend yourself.

No one is saying the gun convinces people to do bad things. I'm saying that the gun gives bad people an easy means of accomplishing those things that they would not otherwise have.

I didn't bother checking since this discussion has long since passed the point where facts were relevant. You didn't actually believe I was asking to ban baseball bats?

u chose to live in Beirut, not me bitch. So bear the mortherfucking consequence and keep to yourself. Someone with a quicker trigger finger or better aim will off your ass if you pull out the gun you say you always do.

Problem is the gun will most likely not going to help you against the knife, unless the knife is used to scare you and waved in front of your face. In practice a person with a knife will stab you long before you pull your gun out, take the safety off and fire.

Spazz, it takes a different level of commitment to get yourself in the range necessary to follow through with a knife attack. These mass shooters are fucking pussies and kill from a distance. This is not possible with a knife. You can walk in to a room and kill every single person in that room in a matter of seconds with semi automatic gun. With a knife, you'd have to overpower and impose your will on every single person in the room or be a seriously trained and committed knife fighter. One on one, a knife is bad news.

ClakarEQ wrote:I call anyone an idiot that says anything against, less guns = less gun crime because that is a fact. It isn't a question, it is a statement, you can't argue against what is a known fact.

Ganzo wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:less guns = less gun crime

You can't claim something is a fact simply because you said so. You need to show a proof that backs it up - a proof that is verifiable and from a valid source.

fake swagger from pussies lol

brinstar wrote:

Ganzo wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:less guns = less gun crime

You can't claim something is a fact simply because you said so. You need to show a proof that backs it up - a proof that is verifiable and from a valid source.

oh



well it certainly seems that more guns = more gun crime