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Tikker wrote:

Tuggan wrote:do you know how long it takes to change magazines?

a lot longer than it takes to rattle off a 50 round clip into a crowd

Translation: "No, I have no idea."

You proved it with your response.

This seemed particularly apt in light of the conversation (sorry, had to inject some humor):



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Harrison wrote:

Tikker wrote:

Tuggan wrote:do you know how long it takes to change magazines?

a lot longer than it takes to rattle off a 50 round clip into a crowd

Translation: "No, I have no idea."

You proved it with your response.

bullshit

let's see you change even 5x 10 round magazines in the time i can squeeze off 50 rounds in a semi-automatic

Tikker wrote:

Tuggan wrote:do you know how long it takes to change magazines?

a lot longer than it takes to rattle off a 50 round clip into a crowd

and i am the stupid fuck?

here is a bit of info for you

AK-47 single shot firing rate 90 to 100 rounds a min. in burst 400 rounds a min

M16
Cyclic: 800 rounds per minute
Sustained: 12-15 rounds per minute
Semiautomatic: 45 rounds per minute
Burst: 90 rounds per minute

Tikker wrote:
bullshit

let's see you change even 5x 10 round magazines in the time i can squeeze off 50 rounds in a semi-automatic

umm how long do you think it takes to ram home a mag?

I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

ps, your AK-47 numbers seem off

googling show 4/5 of the first links saying 600 rounds/s

Tikker wrote:I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

that makes more sense

and here is the ak-47 info

http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47info.php

Tikker wrote:I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

of course it would be faster, but it takes all of about 1.5 seconds to eject and reload a fresh magazine. basically what i'm sayin here is that a smaller magazine size wouldn't make much of a difference.

Tuggan wrote:

Tikker wrote:I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

of course it would be faster, but it takes all of about 1.5 seconds to eject and reload a fresh magazine. basically what i'm sayin here is that a smaller magazine size wouldn't make much of a difference.

see, and here I would think the guy pausing to reload would allow all you homestyled texas rangers to pull your peice and blow him away

Harrison, you are the exact person that shouldn't have a gun. You want to get a gun because you were victimized. You already wrote in a thread that you could have potentially killed a kid because you thought your life was threatened, I'd STFU if I were you, you are the NRA Anti-poster child.

Evermore and party, tell me how you would stop someone like a Harri who has been victimized and now only wants to own a gun for "self defense". I'm certain he is stable enough to pass any test or class that you offer but still doesn't carry the correct mental capacity for one.

Not one post from Evermore or others regarding the "need" for guns has a remote solution to reduce gun violence.

Please tell me what you would propose to reduce gun violence.

IMHO you should force the cost of a grain of gun powder to $1.00 a grain. You guys are right, it isn't the guns, it is the people, and money makes folks do all sorts of crazy shit.

You want to have guns as your hobby, hey no problem, so what if you want to fire off 100 rounds at the range this weekend, it won't be my problem if it costs you $10,000.00 to do it.

Would that not be a solution? Raise the cost of each round to an unreasonably high cost.

ClakarEQ wrote:
You want to have guns as your hobby, hey no problem, so what if you want to fire off 100 rounds at the range this weekend, it won't be my problem if it costs you $10,000.00 to do it.

Would that not be a solution? Raise the cost of each round to an unreasonably high cost.

nah, then bullets just go black market

the problem is the mindset in america, not the weapon of choice

who the hell needs an AK-47?

Tikker wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:
You want to have guns as your hobby, hey no problem, so what if you want to fire off 100 rounds at the range this weekend, it won't be my problem if it costs you $10,000.00 to do it.

Would that not be a solution? Raise the cost of each round to an unreasonably high cost.

nah, then bullets just go black market

the problem is the mindset in america, not the weapon of choice

My point is turn rounds into money, no one wants to fire a gun if that round could be sold, even if in the black market, for cash in pocket. Rounds over time will become more difficult and certainly more costly to aquire.

Please don't turn this into a drug discussion but for example, if pot were legal it would cost almost nothing for a 1/4 ounce, but because it is illegal it costs say 60 or 100.00 a 1/4 ounce.

Why would that not work for ammunition? It doesn't say a damn thing in the constitution about ammunition, let them keep thier guns, just make it REALLY hurt the pocket book if you fire one.

Evermore wrote:

Tikker wrote:I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

that makes more sense

and here is the ak-47 info

http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47info.php

Where is the link to how you make the ak-47 100% automatic? I know it exists because you only have to file some minor bits off and there you go, squeeze and hold.

ClakarEQ wrote:Harrison, you are the exact person that shouldn't have a gun. You want to get a gun because you were victimized. You already wrote in a thread that you could have potentially killed a kid because you thought your life was threatened, I'd STFU if I were you, you are the NRA Anti-poster child.

Evermore and party, tell me how you would stop someone like a Harri who has been victimized and now only wants to own a gun for "self defense". I'm certain he is stable enough to pass any test or class that you offer but still doesn't carry the correct mental capacity for one.

It's good to know a drug addled retard is passing judgement.

how very you-esque of a response

I fail to see how Clakar has ever portrayed himself as less than intelligent - he admits to smoking pot and that's the basis you use to insult him on? it isn't relevant to the subject at hand at all. Yes, some of the comments he made were a direct insult toward you, but it was to portray his reasoning on exactly why he doesn't think your opinion is of import in this particular argument.

Your response is equivalent to saying your opinions on basketball are irrelevant because you give really shitty gifts to your girlfriends.

araby wrote:who the hell needs an AK-47?

Gaazy does when he's deer hunting, just to make it fair.

Narrock wrote:

araby wrote:who the hell needs an AK-47?

Gaazy does when he's deer hunting, just to make it fair.

they are specifically for mowing down a bunch of humans in a row.

araby wrote:

Narrock wrote:

araby wrote:who the hell needs an AK-47?

Gaazy does when he's deer hunting, just to make it fair.

they are specifically for mowing down a bunch of humans in a row.

Imagine what it could do to a herd of those dangerous deer and elk terrorizing the countryside.

Narrock wrote:
Imagine what it could do to a herd of those dangerous deer and elk terrorizing the countryside.

that's what crazy people who own an AK-47 say.

Raising the price of ammunition is about the most ignorant and idiotic idea I've seen in quite some time. Never mind that it couldn't be feasibly accomplished within the bounds of our capitalistic economy or within the powers of our government, the resulting black market that would spring up if ammunition were outlawed would likely make bullets cheaper then they are today in the store. There is a reason many people reload as a hobby. After the initial investment of the tools to do so, bullets cost very little to make. Most re-loaders buy in essence pre-manufactured materials, but if you understand what actually goes into a bullet and the different ways they can be made with simple raw materials people could easily make their own gun powder, cast their own bullets and casings, and make their own primers. What you wouldn't have is the current level of safety created by standardized manufacturing of the sub components, at least in the short term, although people would perfect their manufacturing in the long run.

ClakarEQ wrote:

Evermore wrote:

Tikker wrote:I think you completely misunderstood what I said Evermore

I'm saying that I can fire 50 rounds from a single clip faster than you can swap in and out 5 magazines (firing as you go)

should just be common sense

that makes more sense

and here is the ak-47 info

http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47info.php

Where is the link to how you make the ak-47 100% automatic? I know it exists because you only have to file some minor bits off and there you go, squeeze and hold.

it's a simple adjustment and i am not going to post that type of information.

araby wrote:

Narrock wrote:
Imagine what it could do to a herd of those dangerous deer and elk terrorizing the countryside.

that's what crazy people who own an AK-47 say.

I own an AK-47, amoung others. Never use it for deer hunting. Its for collecting and hobby shooting only. just like the rest of my assault weapons.

ClakarEQ wrote:Harrison, you are the exact person that shouldn't have a gun. You want to get a gun because you were victimized. You already wrote in a thread that you could have potentially killed a kid because you thought your life was threatened, I'd STFU if I were you, you are the NRA Anti-poster child.

Evermore and party, tell me how you would stop someone like a Harri who has been victimized and now only wants to own a gun for "self defense". I'm certain he is stable enough to pass any test or class that you offer but still doesn't carry the correct mental capacity for one.

Not one post from Evermore or others regarding the "need" for guns has a remote solution to reduce gun violence.

Please tell me what you would propose to reduce gun violence.

IMHO you should force the cost of a grain of gun powder to $1.00 a grain. You guys are right, it isn't the guns, it is the people, and money makes folks do all sorts of crazy shit.

You want to have guns as your hobby, hey no problem, so what if you want to fire off 100 rounds at the range this weekend, it won't be my problem if it costs you $10,000.00 to do it.

Would that not be a solution? Raise the cost of each round to an unreasonably high cost.

See maybe this is where we differ. I own guns. I am very responsible with my guns. My children are properly schooled and know not pick up a weapon they might find, they need to call a parent or a cop. Even thou they know this, I go ahead and remove the firing pins/assemblies from all my weapons before storing them in a gun safe. The firing pins/assemblies are stored in a separate gun safe. Neither is at my home. My HD weapon is secured. I do not generally keep ammo.

My children have been raised to respect guns and weapons of all kinds. They understand the power these things wield and I constantly remind them of the responsibility of weapon ownership of any kind.

You ask my solution to reduce gun violence? It’s a long process and hard to accomplish. Some aren’t going to want to hear it too. Take responsibility for your kids. Raise them with the knowledge and respect the right to bear arms deserves and demands. They also understand that all the rights granted to individuals have been paid for in blood time and time again and each one deserves respect. I have also raised my kids to understand that violence doesn’t solve anything. I do not allow teachers, television, video games etc to “raise” my kids. You ask me I think a good portion of the problems we have today come from the shitty job the baby boomers did raising their children. I have told my children that a good parent’s mission in life should be to raise their children to be a better person then they are. They need to pass this on to their kids. This is how gun violence and a lot of the other issues in life will be corrected. Respect and responsibility. I believe if you raise your kids like this then they will raise theirs like this and so on. No it isnt an immediate solution but these problems didn’t pop up overnight either.