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I think all humans will war with each other until the day when a greater threat causes us to band together. Until then? It will be as it always has been.

Lueyen wrote:Does anyone think that a peacful and fair solution (to both sides) exists or could be found?

I don't honestly believe it is possible at this point.

They are too deeply rooted in their hatred, and our involvement isn't helping any. I am not saying we have to keep out of it simply because it is too late for such an abandonment.

Naethyn wrote:I think all humans will war with each other until the day when a greater threat causes us to band together. Until then? It will be as it always has been.

will that day be with Will Smiff flying around in an F18 hornet screaming that the fat lady hasn't sung yet?

I'm thinking more along the lines of a day when only 5% of the worlds women are able to produce their wretched crotch spawn and we finally balance out the population.

Minrott wrote:I'm thinking more along the lines of a day when only 5% of the worlds women are able to produce their wretched crotch spawn and we finally balance out the population.

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Harrison wrote:

Lueyen wrote:Does anyone think that a peacful and fair solution (to both sides) exists or could be found?

I don't honestly believe it is possible at this point.

They are too deeply rooted in their hatred, and our involvement isn't helping any. I am not saying we have to keep out of it simply because it is too late for such an abandonment.

The Persian or Roman Empire could do it.

However, it'd require frontier style justice and an unwavering iron will in dealing with any and all mischief.

Despite the hysteria and saturation of media coverage, the area IS getting better. You don't see Jordan, Egypt, or other moderate Arab League countries getting involved at all. You don't see a threat to Israel on all sides.

If the UN resolution clears out the Hezbollah armed militia in Southern Lebanon, then we're looking at a very good foundation for stability in the region.

Then, we just need the Israeli's to send those F-16s towards the Iranian reactor in Shiraz.

I agree with that, the sky is dark right now over the Middle East, but 25 years ago, had this happened, you would have had every middle east country in another war.

The only REALLY sore spots left are Iran and Syria.

I bet if they treated each other fairly in an economic sense they would get alone just peachy.

hah that looks like it might be an ok flick

If the UN resolution does anything, it will simply allow Hezbollah time to rearm and pull this same stunt again down the road.

Ya know i wish we would own the entire mid east including isreal. Tired of hearing bout them fighting over bullshit and thats just what it is constantly. I say jew or muslim doesnt matter fires a weapon at the other and we come in and own the shit out of both Then we continue this policy till they realize fighting is going to get them nowhere. Fuck em both if you cant play nice in the sandbox with the neighbors than you cant play in the sandbox at all.

But you oppose the war in iraq...

Drugs are bad mmkay.

spazz wrote:Ya know i wish we would own the entire mid east including isreal. Tired of hearing bout them fighting over bullshit and thats just what it is constantly. I say jew or muslim doesnt matter fires a weapon at the other and we come in and own the shit out of both Then we continue this policy till they realize fighting is going to get them nowhere. Fuck em both if you cant play nice in the sandbox with the neighbors than you cant play in the sandbox at all.

I think you would be better off not worrying about these things. Leave that for the sane people. Go listen to rap, smoke some dope, and watch MTV... all your favorite pasttimes.

sane people are not on the case dude.

I was being sarcastic really. Im just sick and tired of all the fighting that goes on over there and i dont really think theres a good sullution. I think all sides are guilty neither is willing to stop and our support of isreal is going to get us attacked again.

spazz wrote:I was being sarcastic really. Im just sick and tired of all the fighting that goes on over there and i dont really think theres a good sullution. I think all sides are guilty neither is willing to stop and our support of isreal is going to get us attacked again.

Yes, but then you can have another justified retaliation to the next Arab contry on the check list.

The United Nation Security Council adopted a resolution todaythat calls for an end to the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, and authorizes the deployment of 15,000 U.N. peacekeepers to help Lebanese troops take control of south Lebanon as Israel withdraws.

Now, we will see if either Israel, Hezbollah, or Lebanon accept the resolution.

Definately not

spazz wrote:Ya know i wish we would own the entire mid east including isreal. Tired of hearing bout them fighting over bullshit and thats just what it is constantly. I say jew or muslim doesnt matter fires a weapon at the other and we come in and own the shit out of both Then we continue this policy till they realize fighting is going to get them nowhere. Fuck em both if you cant play nice in the sandbox with the neighbors than you cant play in the sandbox at all.

I don't think you want to pick a scrap with Israel


they'll launch nukes way faster than the US ever would

All sides agreed to UN resolution. Cease fire will start on Monday morning.

Israel is being submissive pussies. To hell with that. They gave up land, packed up their shiznit and moved out, got bombed, got Israeli soldiers kidnapped, etc. and now they're expected to go along with this cease fire? LOL

I ask again what I asked before, and very seriously:

How has their recent military campaign HELPED Israel?


1) They don't have any of the captured soldiers back.

2) Hezbollah now has about a 80+% approval rate in Lebanon, where before it was about 30%, and this exists even in the Christian sections.

3) Before the violence, Abbas was about to strong-arm Hamas into agreeing to recognize Israel's right to exist. That's dead and gone.

4) Hezbollah and Hamas are nowhere near "broken" as armed groups, and indeed, both have accumulated many more converts.

5) World opinion of Israel has never been lower, nor has there ever been more sympathy for the Arabs, largely as a result of the slaughter of innocents at Qana, the bombing of clearly marked Red Cross ambulances, etc.


That's just 5 things off the top of my head. Israel's aggressive violence has *HURT* them immesurably, and helped them not at all. They haven't cowed anyone, they just GENERATED support for their enemies.

It was a spectacularly retarded decision, and it has blown up in their faces. If they had stayed calm, publicly worked the diplomacy game, while worked behind the scenes with Abbas and the anti-hezbollah factions in Lebanon to get Mossad teams in to get their hostages back, they would have come out FAR FAR better than they have.

-Arlos

I think they want an excuse the wtfpwn the arabs down the road

Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon today. The U.N.
Secretary-General called the operation a violation of the U.N. truce.

oh no not the UN