States dealing with abortion

Darcler · Post by **Darcler** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:16 am

We had a storm here so our cable got knocked out. I got to where they had to paralyze the baby, then *poof* power out.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:45 pm

Whoa whoa whoa, but how could a clump of cells grab your finger? Don't you need some level of brain functionality for that?!

That show must be lying!

Burgy99 · Post by **Burgy99** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:30 am

Well, House wanted to abort the baby, it was the other doctor that wanted to save it. Aborting the baby would assure the mother to live.

The other doctor pulled rank and made House operate on it, even though there was a 9.90% chance that operating would kill both the baby and the mother. So basically, in the world of movies and television the .1% came through and they both survived the operation.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:42 am

Yes, no one is disputing that "fact" (it's a fictional statistic after all)

The point being made is, that "clump of cells" or "parasite", whatever you ignorant tools (Tuggan and crew) wish to call it, is a conscious being.

Post by **Lyion** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:00 am

Burgy99 wrote:Well, House wanted to abort the baby, it was the other doctor that wanted to save it. Aborting the baby would assure the mother to live.

The other doctor pulled rank and made House operate on it, even though there was a 9.90% chance that operating would kill both the baby and the mother. So basically, in the world of movies and television the .1% came through and they both survived the operation.

You might want to check your drug induced numbers, there.

Anyways, you are misrepresenting facts and the epiphany House appeared to have after the baby touched him.

The Mother wanted to save the baby, which was the prime reason this operation was attempted.

They did not have to abort the baby, the primary issue then was the age of the baby and the fact it's lungs were not fully developed. House wanted to abort because due to his beliefs the baby was just a fetus. Unimportant. He passed this on to the mother who did not share these thoughts. Likewise, those beliefs were obviously challenged when the baby touched him while he was operating.

They could have had the baby and rolled the dice on its survival, but they wanted to use a drug to try and help the babies lungs develop faster, so it would've had a better chance.

Again, it's just a show, but try not to completely misrepresent it.

Burgy99 · Post by **Burgy99** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:28 pm

Haha my numbers were a little off there =p I'm not denying House's epiphany with the baby, it was a very moving scene in television. But at the same time, statistically the numbers said that both of them should have died by him performing the operation. Yes the mother wanted to save the baby, but don't forget the other female doctors role in the decision.

I liked at the end of the episode when House was talking to the mother, he called it a baby for the first time and she thanked him. He said " don't thank me, I wanted to kill it "

Post by **Arlos** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:32 pm

I can't believe that people are using a TV show drama as an argument in this debate. What's next, using Dukes of Hazzard to argue about civil disobedience?

-Arlos

Evermore · Post by **Evermore** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:34 pm

i liked Daisy's shorts...

Burgy99 · Post by **Burgy99** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:38 pm

Haha Arlos it was an excellent episode, you should go watch it =p

Post by **Arlos** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:52 pm

The point is, it's a fictional drama. If they wanted to, the people making the show could've had the fetus leap out of the mother, put on a top hat, grab a cane, and do the "Hello my baby, hello my honey" ragtime routine that the Warner Brother's Frog did in that famous cartoon. Using such a fictional presentation as an argument point in a debate like this is ludicrous.

-Arlos

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:53 pm

Someone has seen Spaceballs to many times.

Post by **Lyion** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:00 pm

No disrespect for Michigan J. Frog. It is not tolerated on NT!

kinghooter00 · Post by **kinghooter00** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:54 am

i agree with whatever House decideds to do.... :wink:

The Kizzy · Post by **The Kizzy** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:20 am

House is also Stuart Little's Dad, FYI, so you trust the life of a small unborn child to a man who adopted a mouse........and talks to him.............

Burgy99 · Post by **Burgy99** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:56 pm

The Kizzy wrote:House is also Stuart Little's Dad, FYI, so you trust the life of a small unborn child to a man who adopted a mouse........and talks to him.............

Hey, Stewart Little's Dad was successfull in an operation that had a 99% chance to go wrong, don't you criticize him.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:33 pm

Did he actually perform the surgery?

The Kizzy · Post by **The Kizzy** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:43 pm

I've been waiting to do this for a long time

Harrison is like a Human Wikipedia, he knows everythin about everything but is wrong most of the time.

Post by **Lueyen** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:22 pm

The house episode is fiction, but I wonder if the basis of the idea was drawn from a real occurrence:

Fyi surgery picture, you've been warned.
http://www.michaelclancy.com/

The Kizzy · Post by **The Kizzy** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:25 pm

It happened to Turk on Scrubs too

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:17 pm

Update on this

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A legislative panel on Thursday dropped a measure from an abortion bill that would have made South Carolina the only state to require women to review an ultrasound images of the fetus before terminating a pregnancy.

"It's not forcing a woman to do something against her will," said Sen. Linda Short, the only woman in the Senate and a member of the subcommittee that dropped the measure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18076915/