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Donnel wrote:

Tikker wrote:word on the street is that whining your support class can't dps is dumb


if you wanted dps, play a dps class

For the record I never said I wanted to be a DPS class. I said I wanted to use the damage available to my class when I decide to use it, not the RNG.

I'm very happy in my support role.

I'd love to be able dump all my hunters sustained auto shot dps into controlled shots too, and be able to do massive burst damage, but it's just not going to happen

Any class can sit there and hit respective autoattack/shot/wand buttons, but as it stands now Pally is the only class that can't click a few buttons (like Aimed, Sting, Multi, Arcane/Aimed again, rinse+repeat for hunters) and get an immediate, appreciable increase in damage other than to wait and pray the RNG will smile upon him.

Frankly, if they'd just lose the seals, bring back strikes, make judgement free (or keep the cost if judgements were revised to become worthwhile), and not completely ass out the talent revisions, it would go a long way to making a pally bearable.

Oh, and add some kind of snare for the love of Uther. Shouldn't be the only class completely dependent on what they cobble together with a tradeskill for some form of snare. Maybe a talent that adds a minor (30-40%) snare effect to consecration (call it Holy Ground). Cons is already mana intensive, and moving outside of the effect radius would remove the effect, it would be limited (read: balanced), but still better than nothing. Sort of like Caltrops in CoH (stationary, minor DoT and snare effect over a small radius)



P.S.- Add Caltrops/Crow's Feet recipe to smithing~

Lyion wrote:Calling a spade a spade is most certainly not bitter.

I recommend a hot tub to remove the sand.

Misidentifying a club as a spade is, however, one potential sign of bitterness, or possibly illiteracy.

I recommend a reading course to remove the basic lack of comprehension.

Treehorn wrote:Oh, and add some kind of snare for the love of Uther. Shouldn't be the only class completely dependent on what they cobble together with a tradeskill for some form of snare. Maybe a talent that adds a minor (30-40%) snare effect to consecration (call it Holy Ground). Cons is already mana intensive, and moving outside of the effect radius would remove the effect, it would be limited (read: balanced), but still better than nothing. Sort of like Caltrops in CoH (stationary, minor DoT and snare effect over a small radius)

As long as it's a tier five talent, with a base 10% movement reduction, increasing by five percent per additional talent point, and it prevents the paladin from using one of his other abilities (perhaps an aura or a seal?), nobody should have a problem with that.

xaoshaen wrote:

Lyion wrote:Calling a spade a spade is most certainly not bitter.

I recommend a hot tub to remove the sand.

Misidentifying a club as a spade is, however, one potential sign of bitterness, or possibly illiteracy.

I recommend a reading course to remove the basic lack of comprehension.

I think you require much more than a reading course. Perhaps Prozac?

Lyion wrote:

xaoshaen wrote:

Lyion wrote:Calling a spade a spade is most certainly not bitter.

I recommend a hot tub to remove the sand.

Misidentifying a club as a spade is, however, one potential sign of bitterness, or possibly illiteracy.

I recommend a reading course to remove the basic lack of comprehension.

I think you require much more than a reading course. Perhaps Prozac?

Now that Lyion has moved to personal attacks, the only place left to go is Mod abuse!

Treehorn wrote:P.S.- Add Caltrops/Crow's Feet recipe to smithing~

That would be cool.

I'd spam the shit out of the world with those on my warrior if I still played him.

Teach those fuckers to try to run!

Lyion wrote:

xaoshaen wrote:

Lyion wrote:Calling a spade a spade is most certainly not bitter.

I recommend a hot tub to remove the sand.

Misidentifying a club as a spade is, however, one potential sign of bitterness, or possibly illiteracy.

I recommend a reading course to remove the basic lack of comprehension.

I think you require much more than a reading course. Perhaps Prozac?

Why? Feel free to point where I became bitchy. You know, before people started slinging personal attacks my way.

Personal? You mean like snarkily suggesting a reading comprehension course when someone points how you are acting.

Scroll up, Ahab!

Now that Lyion has moved to personal attacks, the only place left to go is Mod abuse!

That comes later, after I start insulting the poor third world Canadians.

Lyion wrote:Personal? You mean like snarkily suggesting a reading comprehension course when someone points how you are acting.

Scroll up, Ahab!

I can't imagine why I might have suggested reading comprehension excercises....

xaoshaen wrote:You know, before people started slinging personal attacks my way.

Nobody pointed out "how I [was] acting". Someone pointed out how they imagined I was acting. Sadly, like you, they didn't actually have a basis for it.

My e-cock is bigger than both of yours, stfu.

Your lack of imagination and hyperactivity led to my prozac suggestion. Like the government, I'm only trying to help you.

Lyion wrote:Your lack of imagination and hyperactivity led to my prozac suggestion. Like the government, I'm only trying to help you.

I guess making generic claims is easier than providing actual proof for them, eh? I apologise if I lack the imagination to pretend a poster said something and then attack them for it. I'll work on that in the future.

Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

Lyion wrote:Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

I must not have a sense of humour either cause I been laughing at him smacking you down all morning.

Zanchief wrote:

Lyion wrote:Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

I must not have a sense of humour either cause I been laughing at him smacking you down all morning.

Lyion wrote:Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

... says the man responding to my every post. If I was Mindia, I'd be blathering about irony right now. Right after I nail down the whole "lying" gig, I'll get right on the hypocracy routine.

10sun wrote:I'd spam the shit out of the world with those on my warrior if I still played him.

Teach those fuckers to try to run!

Not to be picky, but why wouldn't you just use hamstring?

Treehorn wrote:P.S.- Add Caltrops/Crow's Feet recipe to smithing~

If you wanted to make it useful for a majority of pally's it'd have to be engineering :P

Donnel wrote:

10sun wrote:I'd spam the shit out of the world with those on my warrior if I still played him.

Teach those fuckers to try to run!

Not to be picky, but why wouldn't you just use hamstring?

Or intercept, or piercing howl if he had it=P

xaoshaen wrote:

Lyion wrote:Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

... says the man responding to my every post. If I was Mindia, I'd be blathering about irony right now. Right after I nail down the whole "lying" gig, I'll get right on the hypocracy routine.

I understand completely. Hopefully your lying problem will be fixed soon. Your OCD apparently cannot be, and you can't help but respond to everything.

I get trolled enough so everyone can see I certainly do not respond to many posts. I can't ever remember you not posting, even when its required en masse to get the last word in.

You are very close to Mindia, as many people have noted to me recently. It's interesting that you reference him so often. If I didn't know he was a Vonk alter ego I'd almost believe you two were related.

Lyion wrote:

xaoshaen wrote:

Lyion wrote:Apology accepted.

Now that you have recognized some of your personal shortcomings, lets work on your OCD that prevents you from having a sense of humor and actually being able to not respond to every post.

... says the man responding to my every post. If I was Mindia, I'd be blathering about irony right now. Right after I nail down the whole "lying" gig, I'll get right on the hypocracy routine.

I understand completely. Hopefully your lying problem will be fixed soon. Your OCD apparently cannot be, and you can't help but respond to everything.

I get trolled enough so everyone can see I certainly do not respond to many posts. I can't ever remember you not posting, even when its required en masse to get the last word in.

You are very close to Mindia, as many people have noted to me recently. It's interesting that you reference him so often. If I didn't know he was a Vonk alter ego I'd almost believe you two were related.

Hey Lyion, meet my friend reality. I don't think you've met before.

xaoshaen wrote:

Treehorn wrote:Oh, and add some kind of snare for the love of Uther. Shouldn't be the only class completely dependent on what they cobble together with a tradeskill for some form of snare. Maybe a talent that adds a minor (30-40%) snare effect to consecration (call it Holy Ground). Cons is already mana intensive, and moving outside of the effect radius would remove the effect, it would be limited (read: balanced), but still better than nothing. Sort of like Caltrops in CoH (stationary, minor DoT and snare effect over a small radius)

As long as it's a tier five talent, with a base 10% movement reduction, increasing by five percent per additional talent point, and it prevents the paladin from using one of his other abilities (perhaps an aura or a seal?), nobody should have a problem with that.

Foregoing seals or auras sounds rather punitive, and really isn't in keeping with how things are being done currently. Look at it this way:

Consecration, Rank 4, (req. lvl 60): 565mana/cast, 0.0sec cast, effects 8 yd. radius, 8sec duration (48dmg/sec), 8sec cooldown.

"Holy Ground": 21-point talent, 1 rank, 30 or 40% base movement reduc. for duration of Consecration.

Avg. 60 pally is running 2-3k mana depending on equipment, and maybe breaking 4k if exceptionally geared. Nobody is going to be spamming Cons for a 30-50% snare, but at least it would provide them with something native to the class (providing they're specced for it) for slowing down things >20% health.

I think given the cost/mechanics of the spell the talent modifies, the recent resist adjustments for lower rank spells (rank 1, lvl 30, won't cut it against lvls 40+), and foregoing 31-pointers in the other two trees would be plenty prohibitive as is.

Under 20% health, Hammer of Wrath would still probably going to be your best bet for dropping runners (rank 3, req. lvl 60, 425mana/cast, 504-556 damage, 1.0sec cast, 6sec cooldown, 30yd range), compared to trying to snare them with Cons., and getting it doesn't require making any tough choices about talent builds.

Donnel wrote:

10sun wrote:I'd spam the shit out of the world with those on my warrior if I still played him.

Teach those fuckers to try to run!

Not to be picky, but why wouldn't you just use hamstring?

Treehorn wrote:P.S.- Add Caltrops/Crow's Feet recipe to smithing~

If you wanted to make it useful for a majority of pally's it'd have to be engineering :P

And don't most pallies that took Engineering gripe bitterly about the fact that they only took Engineering in the first place because they had no other options for snares? :P

There's paladins with 6500+ mana unbuffed FYI.

Treehorn wrote:

Donnel wrote:

10sun wrote:I'd spam the shit out of the world with those on my warrior if I still played him.

Teach those fuckers to try to run!

Not to be picky, but why wouldn't you just use hamstring?

Treehorn wrote:P.S.- Add Caltrops/Crow's Feet recipe to smithing~

If you wanted to make it useful for a majority of pally's it'd have to be engineering :P

And don't most pallies that took Engineering gripe bitterly about the fact that they only took Engineering in the first place because they had no other options for snares? :P

There's alot more to engineering then just snares though, and making caltrops/etc a blacksmithing thing would never help pally's as most would go engineering anyway.

It's da bombs man, da bombs!