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Stop judging this guy on Sean Hannity and Fox's blatant character Assassination of him, Mindia. They are telling ONE SIDE of the story and not giving credit where credit is due.

This is a good guy who worked hard for years with a wife in a PVS to see if there was any hope of her getting remotely better. After 7 years and the continued DETERIORATION of her brain he realized she would never be anything but a dead husk sitting there, and so enacted what he believes is her desire: Not to live this way for 50 years.

This is the right thing to do, and it's a shame it's being used for purely political reasons, which I might add have backfired. Stop buying into the attack machine rhetoric and try and see the truth.

I think you're right.

And I thought he was only delusional about religious matters....

Never admit Arlos is right, even when he's right. He is the Mindia of the left and needs no encouragement of his partisan beliefs!

LOL

Arlos - you say that the burden of proof AGAINST the husband is more rigorous than the few things offered by those against killing her.

HOWEVER...

You don't seem to think there is ANY proof needed for the husband's statements. You accept them immediately and at face value.

I find it distressing that you think someone on the side of LIFE requires proof - but those wanting death needs none. That tells me a lot about you and your character.

How about 10 years and 19 rulings in favor of the husband. No proof?

Ugzugz wrote:Arlos - you say that the burden of proof AGAINST the husband is more rigorous than the few things offered by those against killing her.

HOWEVER...

You don't seem to think there is ANY proof needed for the husband's statements. You accept them immediately and at face value.

I find it distressing that you think someone on the side of LIFE requires proof - but those wanting death needs none. That tells me a lot about you and your character.

Somehow Ugzug missed the fact that her husband's statements of her wishes were extensively litigated over several years, and found to be clearly and conclusively supported by the evidence, Terri having told a few people she didn't want to be kept alive...

The 'argument from ignorance' is not usually a good way to win arguments, Ug. You're about as successful as ... well, her parents have been in court trying to overturn her wishes. Karmic somehow.

--R.

There's a very good reason why hearsay isn't allowed as "testimony" in courts. Guess that doesn't count if it's "popular opinion", huh? There's a thing called a "Living Will". It's the tool by which people make their wishes known so as to avoid the He said, She said types of arguments just like this one.

Also - if it was so clear what her wishes were, this would not have been carrying on for 10, 12, or 15 years, would it? There is a limited number of appeals allowed for any case - this one not-withstanding.

You folks that think this is a simple black or white issue are fools. There are deeper issues - some you might not personally believe in which doesn't make them not exist - that carry this case far beyond the effect on one single person. Terry Schiavo today, Euthanasia tomorrow!

And ONCE AGAIN, I will make it CLEAR that I'm not against letting her die - it's the manner by which you wish to kill her that bothers me.

I agree. Morphine overdose should be legal. All this pussy-footing around waiting for her to die is stupid.

Arlos always takes the stance of his leftist counterparts... he does not have the ability to think for himself. I am looking at it from a humanisitic standpoint. Terry Schiavo wants to live. Plain and simple. Her husband is not a good guy. He's the exact opposite of a good guy. He has made comments like "I wish that bitch would just die" and so forth. That is not hearsay, since many people have heard him say it. He is an animal, and wants the insurance money. He is a bad and evil man.

If you want the truth LISTEN TO WHAT TERRY'S PARENTS HAVE TO SAY, not some disgusting man who was a terrible husband who has a commonlaw marriage and family on the side from an affair he's been having for years. Honestly Lyion, I'm surprised at your display of short-sightedness on this issue. You call that a good man? Tell me you're joking... please.

And as a side note I think George W. Bush is being a pussy about this. He should have sent a hundred agents to that hospital to rescue Terry and brought her to a military hospital somewhere, and then arrested her husband for attempted murder.

There are so many ways of looking at this. Do the parents want what is best for their child, what she would want, or are they being selfish wanting to keep their child alive because they don't want to lose her?

The husband-is he trying to get rid of her so he can go about his life or some other also selfish reason....or perhaps he's trying to carry out what would have been her last wishes?

Said it once I will say it again, I, personally would not want to be kept alive that way, if you can even call it living. Starve me, take me out back and shoot me I don't care better than a bunch of jackasses arguing over me for so many years.

Ugzugz wrote:There's a very good reason why hearsay isn't allowed as "testimony" in courts. Guess that doesn't count if it's "popular opinion", huh? There's a thing called a "Living Will". It's the tool by which people make their wishes known so as to avoid the He said, She said types of arguments just like this one.

Also - if it was so clear what her wishes were, this would not have been carrying on for 10, 12, or 15 years, would it? There is a limited number of appeals allowed for any case - this one not-withstanding.

Yeah, it is clear what she wanted - her parent's don't care, and have been wasting the state's money trying to overturn their daughters wishes.

There's a footnote in one of the submissions to the USSC where it's pointed out her parents admitted in state proceedings that even if she did express a desire to refuse hydration, they'd ignore it if it was up to them. They don't care what she wants. They're nuts.

The fact is they've been filing appeal after appeal after appeal, and they've lost every single time.

Blaming anyone but the parents for the fact this litigation has been going on for years is ridiculous. The fact that there has never been shown to be anything to their court cases hasn't stopped them from filing appeal after appeal.

--R.

Rust wrote:

Ugzugz wrote:There's a very good reason why hearsay isn't allowed as "testimony" in courts. Guess that doesn't count if it's "popular opinion", huh? There's a thing called a "Living Will". It's the tool by which people make their wishes known so as to avoid the He said, She said types of arguments just like this one.

Also - if it was so clear what her wishes were, this would not have been carrying on for 10, 12, or 15 years, would it? There is a limited number of appeals allowed for any case - this one not-withstanding.

Yeah, it is clear what she wanted - her parent's don't care, and have been wasting the state's money trying to overturn their daughters wishes.

There's a footnote in one of the submissions to the USSC where it's pointed out her parents admitted in state proceedings that even if she did express a desire to refuse hydration, they'd ignore it if it was up to them. They don't care what she wants. They're nuts.

The fact is they've been filing appeal after appeal after appeal, and they've lost every single time.

Blaming anyone but the parents for the fact this litigation has been going on for years is ridiculous. The fact that there has never been shown to be anything to their court cases hasn't stopped them from filing appeal after appeal.

--R.

Anything Rust posts is the exact opposite of truth.

How many appeals have their been? Dates, too, please.

Mindia wrote:And as a side note I think George W. Bush is being a pussy about this. He should have sent a hundred agents to that hospital to rescue Terry and brought her to a military hospital somewhere, and then arrested her husband for attempted murder.

Yeah, I'd like to see Bush be that stupid. That would be truly Mindia-level stupidity to pull a stunt like that. I think it might even get him impeached. I'm sure his minders wouldn't let him do it.

--R.

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:And as a side note I think George W. Bush is being a pussy about this. He should have sent a hundred agents to that hospital to rescue Terry and brought her to a military hospital somewhere, and then arrested her husband for attempted murder.

Yeah, I'd like to see Bush be that stupid. That would be truly Mindia-level stupidity to pull a stunt like that. I think it might even get him impeached. I'm sure his minders wouldn't let him do it.

--R.

I would fully support a decision like that, and so would the majority of America. It's what should have been done 5+ days ago. Then all would be well, and everything would be fine again.

Ugzugz wrote:How many appeals have their been? Dates, too, please.

Do your own legwork. I get to point at the trial decisions, since they're dispositive in any event.

--R.

Don't want this skipped during the Mindia parade:

Ugzugz wrote:How many appeals have their been? Dates, too, please.

As far as commandos taking her, the state of Florida could possibly have pulled that off since their jurisdiction in this case can supercede the Federal government... but Federal officers would not be able to do it without bringing Bush down.

Rust wrote:

Ugzugz wrote:How many appeals have their been? Dates, too, please.

Do your own legwork. I get to point at the trial decisions, since they're dispositive in any event.

--R.

Wrong - you're the one claiming this massive number of appeals exists. Prove it. Don't leave off the dates... because I know what you're going to find and I don't want you to try to cover it up.

Proof is in the pudding.... didn't someone just say that?

Bush could have sent in an elite military squad and had the whole thing taken care of within 10 minutes. I guarantee he would not be impeached for taking such a humanitarian action.

Mindia wrote:Bush could have sent in an elite military squad and had the whole thing taken care of within 10 minutes. I guarantee he would no be impeached for taking such a humanitarian action.

You can't guarantee shit, Mindia. What guarantee are you offering?

And, you're wrong - the Federal officers seizing her would have been a direct violation of her Federal rights. If it were proven that Bush ordered it, he would be impeached.

Federal officers seizing her would make her happy, not upset. Her parents would welcome an action like this as well. And the majority of Americans would back up a decision like that. That's my opinion. My "guarantee" comes from heartfelt disbelief that Bush would be impeached for saving somebody's life...

You're entitled to your opinion.

Mindia wrote:

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:And as a side note I think George W. Bush is being a pussy about this. He should have sent a hundred agents to that hospital to rescue Terry and brought her to a military hospital somewhere, and then arrested her husband for attempted murder.

Yeah, I'd like to see Bush be that stupid. That would be truly Mindia-level stupidity to pull a stunt like that. I think it might even get him impeached. I'm sure his minders wouldn't let him do it.

--R.

I would fully support a decision like that, and so would the majority of America. It's what should have been done 5+ days ago. Then all would be well, and everything would be fine again.

And then monkeys will fly out of Mindia's ass!

Hint: I know in your little coven, people agree with you. Don't make assumptions normal Americans do, because they don't.

ABC News Poll, March 21
- 63% in favor of removing tube
- 28% opposed

Fox News Poll http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101826,00.html
- 61% remove tube
- 22% keep tube in

CNN/USA Today March 22nd http://www.pollingreport.com/news.htm
52% agree with judge
39% disagree

CBS Poll http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/ ... 2674.shtml
- 82% opposed Federal intervention by Congress and GW Bush
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- 27% in favor or re-inserting tube

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--R.