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original xbox specs were also better than the ps2, and yet ps2 is still 10x the gaming system

You just contradicted yourself you fucking retard. So the xbox had better specs but the ps2 gaming system was 10x better? No maybe the games might have been better but you could do way more shit with the xbox 360 then you could with the ps2. Stop sucking sonys nuts and think a little you douche.

DESX wrote:You just contradicted yourself you fucking retard. So the xbox had better specs but the ps2 gaming system was 10x better? No maybe the games might have been better but you could do way more shit with the xbox 360 then you could with the ps2. Stop sucking sonys nuts and think a little you douche.

LOL so much anger!

NERD

rofl

I can just see DESX with a mouth full of half chewed cheetos screaming at his monitor as little bits of cheetoh dust fly all over the place.

It comes down to the this:

Hardware specs don't mean shit if your games fucking suck

That is the cardinal rule of gaming.

From my experience, Xbox did not ever have the volume of good names needed to be the dominant console in the market. They had like 3 games that were worth playing, and they all came out for PC eventually. Pretty much anything that Xbox could do, my PC can do better.

Xbox 360 is already doing simultaneous release for PC, so why would I waste my money.

Huh... I've got 40 some kick ass Xbox games saved on the internal hard drive along with just about every console emulator and rom available, a full blown streaming media and web server, etc etc etc. Not bad for $149 machine.

i thought you sold it

captain_insano wrote:rofl

I can just see DESX with a mouth full of half chewed cheetos screaming at his monitor as little bits of cheetoh dust fly all over the place.

I only do this when I lose in DOA 4 online.

Durothil Skyreaver wrote:It comes down to the this:

Hardware specs don't mean shit if your games fucking suck

That is the cardinal rule of gaming.

From my experience, Xbox did not ever have the volume of good names needed to be the dominant console in the market. They had like 3 games that were worth playing, and they all came out for PC eventually. Pretty much anything that Xbox could do, my PC can do better.

Xbox 360 is already doing simultaneous release for PC, so why would I waste my money.

Yes no one is saying that an xbox 360 can compete with a top end PC but graphics wise processing wise 60 fps wise.... it will compete with a comp worth up to 3k gameing wise. Yes I will also admit xbox didnt have that many great games but microsoft has signed on with a lot of new companies and a lot of old companies that are making some good games right now. GOW, Oblivion, TDU, DOA 4... etc... and most are xbox 360 exclusive.

brinstar wrote:i thought you sold it

Nay. I still have it.

DESX wrote:

captain_insano wrote:rofl

I can just see DESX with a mouth full of half chewed cheetos screaming at his monitor as little bits of cheetoh dust fly all over the place.

I only do this when I lose in DOA 4 online.

hehe sorry nothing personal.

man I used to get wasted on newcastles back during my everyquest days and would always get pissed at something or another and spill my beer on my keyboard. Then I would be typing like this for two weeks:

H1 G[_]Y5. 1 BR0K3 MY K3YB0@RD @GA1N QQ~ ; (

that always sucked. you think I would have learned to keep spares around.

captain_insano wrote:

DESX wrote:

captain_insano wrote:rofl

I can just see DESX with a mouth full of half chewed cheetos screaming at his monitor as little bits of cheetoh dust fly all over the place.

I only do this when I lose in DOA 4 online.

hehe sorry nothing personal.

man I used to get wasted on newcastles back during my everyquest days and would always get pissed at something or another and spill my beer on my keyboard. Then I would be typing like this for two weeks:

H1 G[_]Y5. 1 BR0K3 MY K3YB0@RD @GA1N QQ~ ; (

that always sucked. you think I would have learned to keep spares around.

Yeah I tend to not drink anything around my keyboards >< these damn logitech keyboards are a lil bit expensive and dont feel like wasting $50 bucks or more because of a 50 cent pop.

Dont underestimate the power of the console. I used to. But I dont care how fast my computer is, Im not playing my computer games on my couch on a 42 inch HDTV in 1080i with a 7.1 surround system in Dolby Digital.

DESX wrote:

Durothil Skyreaver wrote:It comes down to the this:

Hardware specs don't mean shit if your games fucking suck

That is the cardinal rule of gaming.

From my experience, Xbox did not ever have the volume of good names needed to be the dominant console in the market. They had like 3 games that were worth playing, and they all came out for PC eventually. Pretty much anything that Xbox could do, my PC can do better.

Xbox 360 is already doing simultaneous release for PC, so why would I waste my money.

Yes no one is saying that an xbox 360 can compete with a top end PC but graphics wise processing wise 60 fps wise.... it will compete with a comp worth up to 3k gameing wise. Yes I will also admit xbox didnt have that many great games but microsoft has signed on with a lot of new companies and a lot of old companies that are making some good games right now. GOW, Oblivion, TDU, DOA 4... etc... and most are xbox 360 exclusive.

YOu're still missing the point you dumb fucker


it doesn't matter if the xbox has more whizbang

the PS3 will be better supported by developers


just look back at the other wtfpwn consoles that died because of lack of support
(turbo graphx 16, neo geo, 3do, saturn, etc etc etc)


it's all about the games, and xbox sucked compared to ps2, and i'm willing to be the same thing happens with 360 vs ps3

Tikker wrote:

DESX wrote:

Durothil Skyreaver wrote:It comes down to the this:

Hardware specs don't mean shit if your games fucking suck

That is the cardinal rule of gaming.

From my experience, Xbox did not ever have the volume of good names needed to be the dominant console in the market. They had like 3 games that were worth playing, and they all came out for PC eventually. Pretty much anything that Xbox could do, my PC can do better.

Xbox 360 is already doing simultaneous release for PC, so why would I waste my money.

Yes no one is saying that an xbox 360 can compete with a top end PC but graphics wise processing wise 60 fps wise.... it will compete with a comp worth up to 3k gameing wise. Yes I will also admit xbox didnt have that many great games but microsoft has signed on with a lot of new companies and a lot of old companies that are making some good games right now. GOW, Oblivion, TDU, DOA 4... etc... and most are xbox 360 exclusive.

YOu're still missing the point you dumb fucker


it doesn't matter if the xbox has more whizbang

the PS3 will be better supported by developers


just look back at the other wtfpwn consoles that died because of lack of support
(turbo graphx 16, neo geo, 3do, saturn, etc etc etc)


it's all about the games, and xbox sucked compared to ps2, and i'm willing to be the same thing happens with 360 vs ps3

Wow you are incredibly fucking retarded. I said I already knew that ps2 had better games and I acknowledged that, but xbox 360 has a lot of new developers also you dumbass. Oh and all the other companies you named aren't close to being as financially secured as MS so I dont expect for xbox to die off anytime soon. MS is about 37x larger then sony. Man you really need to cut off that e-peen of yours.

It's like arguing with a 13 year-old Mindia...

Mindia at least was semi interesting

DESX wrote: I said I already knew that ps2 had better games and I acknowledged that, but xbox 360 has a lot of new developers also you dumbass. Oh and all the other companies you named aren't close to being as financially secured as MS so I dont expect for xbox to die off anytime soon. MS is about 37x larger then sony. Man you really need to cut off that e-peen of yours.

let's try this again fucktard

It doesn't matter how much money MS is willing to lose, the PS3 will have a bigger/better stable of software to choose from


there's 52785275892 more ps2 owners than xbox owners

99% of all those ps2 owners will get ps3's

stop me when you understand where I'm going with this btw

the 360 is a neat box, no doubt about it
I think MS did a pretty good job with it, for the most part


but Console games live and die with the japanese
xbox will die a slow death in asia
the ps3 will jabown it there

and because of that, ps3 will end up being better supported, and eventually crush the 360, the way the ps2 jabowned the original xbox (depsite the fact that the xbox was a better chunk of hardware)

Tikker wrote:

DESX wrote: I said I already knew that ps2 had better games and I acknowledged that, but xbox 360 has a lot of new developers also you dumbass. Oh and all the other companies you named aren't close to being as financially secured as MS so I dont expect for xbox to die off anytime soon. MS is about 37x larger then sony. Man you really need to cut off that e-peen of yours.

let's try this again fucktard

It doesn't matter how much money MS is willing to lose, the PS3 will have a bigger/better stable of software to choose from


there's 52785275892 more ps2 owners than xbox owners

99% of all those ps2 owners will get ps3's

stop me when you understand where I'm going with this btw

the 360 is a neat box, no doubt about it
I think MS did a pretty good job with it, for the most part


but Console games live and die with the japanese
xbox will die a slow death in asia
the ps3 will jabown it there

and because of that, ps3 will end up being better supported, and eventually crush the 360, the way the ps2 jabowned the original xbox (depsite the fact that the xbox was a better chunk of hardware)

I truely didnt think you where THIS stupid. PS3 will have bigger/better software to choose from? Microsoft is a software company you fuckhead it sells 38billion in software annually. Sony sells a little under a billion in electronics. Microsoft is a software company....sony isnt....jesus their is no end to your stupidity. You keep saying that ps2 has a lot more owners then the xbox.... but yes consider that ps2 had it's predecessor the ps1.... xbox 1 didnt... so obviously the ps2 was gonna sell more then the first xbox. Have you noticied that the xbox 360 sales have pretty much doubled what the first xbox gained in it's first few months of launch? Please stop being a dumbass it gets tireing explaining this over and over.

You are missing the point.

Asia has more game developers and is the biggest game market in the world. Asia is utterly unenthused with both the Xbox and 360. Those devs will develop for both platforms, but the lions share of Asia will work more on the PS3, I think.

Here's why

The US = X game players
Japan = X*4 game players.
Lets say in the US 1/5 of gamers will buy the 360. In Japan 1/120 will buy the 360, so they are still not hitting near maximum market ratio

Say the US market wins for the 360, and only 1/7 buys the PS3. However, in Japan you are looking at least 1/3 buying the PS3. See the pwn? Worldwide the PS3 will probably have three times the people on it as the 360 early on, and that number will only widen. Why?

Sony will continue to support the PS2 much, much better than MS will support the Xbox which will enable more games and better loyalty and long term migration to the PS3. MS is notorious for trying to force people off old software, and the Xbox strategy will be no different. The only problem is people like backwards compatibility, and it was a big seller with the PS2. 360 is very limited in compatibility.

Finally, the hardcore gamers will not want to pay for Xbox Live. Currently, PS3s Internet gaming model is *FREE*. So, better backwards compatibility, more games, more developers, and no Multi Level Marketing Online gaming scam. It's a slam dunk who will win this war, and it's no different than the Xbox vs PS2 one.

DESX wrote:. PS3 will have bigger/better software to choose from? Microsoft is a software company you fuckhead it sells 38billion in software annually. Sony sells a little under a billion in electronics. Microsoft is a software company....sony isnt...

quick

name 15 games developed by MS


Do you not have any idea the power in 3rd party developers?
obviously not


seriously, are you even 10 years old yet?

You have absolutely no clue how anything works in the real world


You know you're wrong when Lyion of all people is backing me up

lyion wrote:You are missing the point.

Asia has more game developers and is the biggest game market in the world. Asia is utterly unenthused with both the Xbox and 360. Those devs will develop for both platforms, but the lions share of Asia will work more on the PS3, I think.

Here's why

The US = X game players
Japan = X*4 game players.
Lets say in the US 1/5 of gamers will buy the 360. In Japan 1/120 will buy the 360, so they are still not hitting near maximum market ratio

Say the US market wins for the 360, and only 1/7 buys the PS3. However, in Japan you are looking at least 1/3 buying the PS3. See the pwn? Worldwide the PS3 will probably have three times the people on it as the 360 early on, and that number will only widen. Why?

Sony will continue to support the PS2 much, much better than MS will support the Xbox which will enable more games and better loyalty and long term migration to the PS3. MS is notorious for trying to force people off old software, and the Xbox strategy will be no different. The only problem is people like backwards compatibility, and it was a big seller with the PS2. 360 is very limited in compatibility.

Finally, the hardcore gamers will not want to pay for Xbox Live. Currently, PS3s Internet gaming model is *FREE*. So, better backwards compatibility, more games, more developers, and no Multi Level Marketing Online gaming scam. It's a slam dunk who will win this war, and it's no different than the Xbox vs PS2 one.

1. I dont doubt lyions intellectual superiority but. It doesnt matter if their is a ps3 in china if they can't even afford one.

China has largely missed out on the first few chapters of the gaming boom because of economic limitations. Few of the country's 1.4 billion citizens can afford a game console or a PC. At the same time, widespread piracy has resulted in few companies wanting to release game software in Chinese. The problem has also led to the limited distribution of Western movies, music and other entertainment.

http://news.com.com/Online-game+develop ... 12499.html

China is not considered a significant market, most likely because an estimated 95% of video games sold in the country are pirated.

Sales of different types of games vary widely between these markets due to local preferences. Japanese consumers avoid computer games and instead buy video games, with a strong preference for games created in Japan, that run on Japanese consoles.

This leads me to believe that the 360 will own the ps3 in sales in the U.S. this time around.

The largest Market of Video gaming industry is in the U.S. not in any asian countries sir.

Japan pop - 127.5 million U.S. pop - 297.7 mil

Now we all know that japan is notorious for it's massive amounts of gamers so lets say 1/3 like you said earlier buys a PS3 and only 1/5 buys the xbox 360.... yeah it doesnt matter xbox 360 comes out on top since the U.S. has pretty much double the population.

The NPD Group tracks computer and video game sales in the United States. It reported that as of 2004:

Console and portable software sales: $6.2 billion, up 8% from 2003

Now you might be right to say that MS will abandon the original xbox but this is the first console that they have had to make a transition from and bill gates really didnt get to where he was with shitty marketing strategies.

Xbox 360 is not even close to very limited on backwards compatability. You can update your xbox 360 to play the games from your original xbox every so often. The updates are on the xbox site. By the time ps3 comes out microsoft plans to make all xbox games compatable with the 360.

Not sure what you meant with the hardcore gamers will not want to pay for x-box live... cause those are the ones I see playing it. I think you meant more of the casual gamers.

The ps3 of what has been said will have a different online lobby just like the first xbox did, for every single game..... Meaning that you would not be able to do 1/10th of what you can currently do on x-box live. You might think that X-box live isnt worth it but the 2 million subscribers in just 2 years dont seem to think so. I strongly think that X-box live is microsofts trump card and will ultimately own anything ps3 throws at them. Achievments, Marketplace downloads, Chatting with friends even as you play different games, instant messaging, reputation score, etc.... it will destroy any *free* sony online play.

Last of all sony has a problem with promising to much power and under delivering. [/quote]

Oh here are list of developers.......

Developer Location Games
A2M Montreal, QC Canada 4
Acclaim Entertainment Unknown 21
Acclaim Studios Austin Austin, Texas 2
Activision Santa Monica CA 2
Adrenium Unknown 1
Akella Russia 1
Aki Corp Unknown 1
Amaze Entertainment Unknown 1
Amusement Vision Unknown 1
Amuze Stockholm, Sweden 1
Anchor Japan 2
Andamiro Entertainment Seoul, Korea 1
Angel Studios Unknown 2
Appaloosa Interactive Unknown 1
Arc Systems Austin, Texas 1
Argonaut Games London UK 8
Arkane Studios Unknown 1
Artech Studios Unknown 2
Artoon Co Unknown 2
Asobo Studios Bordeaux, France 2
Asylum Entertainment London, United Kingdom 1
Atari, Inc. New York, NY 1
Atari, Inc. New York, NY 7
Atlus Software Irvine, CA 1
Atomic Planet UK 2
Avalanche Software Salt Lake City, Utah 2
Avalanche Studios (SE) Unknown 2
Awesome Studios Unknown 1

Babylon Software Unknown 1
Bandai Unknown 3
Barking Dog Studios Unknown 1
BattleBorne Entertainment, Inc Unknown 2
Beep Industries Unknown 1
Bethesda Softworks Maryland and Washington State 6
Big Ape Productions, Inc. Novato, CA 1
Big Blue Box Outside Guildford, UK 2
Bigben Interactive Vale Road, Heaton Mersey, UK 1
BioWare Corp. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 3
Bits Studios London, UK 3
Bizarre Creations Unknown 4
Black Box Games Vancouver, B.C. 1
Black Isle Studios Unknown 2
Black Market Games Unknown 1
Black Mountain Games San Diego, CA 1
Black Ops Entertainment Unknown 5
Blade Interactive Manchester, UK 4
Blitz Games Warwickshire UK 8
Blue 52 Camden Town, North London, UK 1
Blue Shift Palo Alto, CA 4
Blue Tongue Software Australia 1
Blueside Studios Unknown 1
Bohemia Interactive Studio Unknown 2
Brainbox Games Toronto, Canada 1
Brat Designs UK 2
Buena Vista Games Unknown 2
Bugbear Entertainment Ltd. Finland 1
Bungie Redmond, WA, USA 4
Bunkasha Publishing Co. Japan 2

Capcom Global 20
Carapace Paris, France 1
Carbonated Games Unknown 1
Cat Daddy Games Unknown 1
Cauldron Ltd. Bratislava, Slovakia 3
cavia Inc. Japan 1
Celeris Unknown 1
Cinemaware Burlingame, California 1
CiRCLE Studio Ltd Unknown 1
Circus Freak Studios Unknown 1
Climax Group Unknown 10
Codemasters Software Company Unknown 20
Computer Artworks London, UK 1
Confounding Factor Unknown 1
Contraband Entertainment, Inc. Unknown 1
Core Design Unknown 1
Coresoft Laguna Hills, CA 1
Coresoft Games Laguna Hills, California 2
Cranky Pants Games Unknown 1
Crave Entertainment Unknown 2
Creat Studio Unknown 1
Criterion Software UK/Global 4
Croteam Zagreb, Croatia 1
Crystal Dynamics Unknown 7
Crytek Studios Paris 2
Curly Monsters Ltd. Birkenhead, England 1
Cyberlore Studios Unknown 1

DarkBlack Ltd. UK 1
DarkWorks Studios Unknown 2
Data Design Interactive Unknown 1
Day 1 Studios Chicago, IL 2
Deadline Games Copenhagen, Denmark 1
Deibus Studios London, UK 1
Destineer Unknown 1
DiezelPower Studios France and Japan 1
Digital Anvil Unknown 1
Digital Eclipse Emeryville, CA 5
Digital Extremes Ontario, Canada 3
Digital Illusions Unknown 7
Direct Action Games Seattle, WA 2
Double Fine Productions San Francisco, CA, USA 1
Dragonstone Software Diamond Bar, CA 1
Dream Factory Unknown 2
Dream Publishing Japan 1
Dynamic Animations Systems Burke, VA 1

EA Canada Unknown 19
EA Chicago Unknown 4
EA Games Unknown 20
EA Los Angeles (EALA) Playa Vista, LA 2
EA Redwood Shores Unknown 3
EA Sports Unknown 32
Eden Studios France 2
Edge of Reality Dallas, Texas 3
EGOSOFT Spain 1
Eidos interactive Ltd Global 1
Electronic Arts UK Unknown 1
Empire Interactive Global 6
Encore Software Unknown 2
Epic Games Unknown 3
Eurocom Entertainment Software Derby, UK 6
Eutechnyx Gateshead Tyne & Wear, UK 4
Evillusion, Inc. Unknown 1
Extreme FX Unknown 1


FarSight Studios Big Bear Lake, CA 1
FASA Studio Unknown 1
FIRAXIS Games USA 1
Firetoads Software Alberta, Canada 1
Fox Interactive Beverly Hills, California 1
Free Radical Design Unknown 3
Frog City Software Unknown 1
FROM Software Tokyo, Japan 7
Frontier Developments Unknown 3
Funcom Unknown 1
Funlabs Unknown 7


Trust me the list goes on and on and on to Z but I dont feel like posting them all. Just wanted to show you that im not sure how you say xbox 360 lacks good developers.

Asia encompasses more than Japan. That said, your analogy of China misses the point that Hong Kong is well off, still even under Chinese authority. South Koreans are similar to the Japanese in their voracious gaming appetite. This doesn't include the other countries that can afford the 360, but won't buy it en masse like they will the PS3.

The US is not the game market Asia is. So even if Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, etc only end up with the same number of people as the U.S., you are looking at ten times the amount of gamers.

Just to put the console wars in perspective, at last glance, the Xbox 360 had sold about 800-900,00 units. The PS2 has sold over 100 MILLION UNITS.

lyion wrote:Asia encompasses more than Japan. That said, your analogy of China misses the point that Hong Kong is well off, still even under Chinese authority. South Koreans are similar to the Japanese in their voracious gaming appetite. This doesn't include the other countries that can afford the 360, but won't buy it en masse like they will the PS3.

The US is not the game market Asia is. So even if Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, etc only end up with the same number of people as the U.S., you are looking at ten times the amount of gamers.

Just to put the console wars in perspective, at last glance, the Xbox 360 had sold about 800-900,00 units. The PS2 has sold over 100 MILLION UNITS.

South Koreans are similar to the Japanese in their voracious gaming appetite.

Yes they are but not console games.

In South Korea, computer games are preferred, especially MMORPG games and real-time strategy games; there are over 20,000 PC bang Internet cafes where computer games can be played for an hourly charge.

It seems like you missed Europe which microsoft has shipped about 300,000 console units at launch also. Which have all also sold out. Xbox beat the ps2 in sales in Europe.

Not sure how you are comparing the unit that just came out in sales like 2 months ago to the system that has been out for like 3 years in sales. Especially since demands for the xbox 360 have vastly outstripped supply's. Not to mention ps2 had it's ps1 to give it reputation for when their second one came out. I also felt that sony easily had the best console at the time of the ps1...... it was either that or nintendo 64 and only a few nintendo games didnt suck. So seeing as most people probably thought the ps1 was teh shit they proly thought the ps2 was gonna be just as good based on it's predescessor. The xbox had nothing to tell people about it's capabilities. It just kinda had to wing it and hope for the best sales. But this time around people actually recognize MS and the xbox's in the gaming market and I think sales will be way different.