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Yes, Lyion. All black people are abrasive lazy shmucks with a hand in the government’s pocket. None of them work for a living. None of them are single mothers with 2 jobs trying to make as much as most of us do with one. None of them are business owners or entrepreneurs. Why is it race isn't as much of an issue in other countries? Why is it black culture has struggled more in the US than ANYWHERE (outside Africa) in the world? Because as much as you'd like to claim that the government is pandering to the black man, they haven't done enough. When people like Kahar are turning away black employees because of a twang in their speech (not a southern draw of course, that's ok by him), there needs to be something done. And when ANYONE does, you whine and you whine and you whine about. You cry about reverse racism, never recognising the racism in the 1st place. You whine about favouritism without acknowledging the problem. Why is it so bad to ask why? It doesn’t make you irresponsible to look at the huge disparity in the way the US deals with people below the poverty line and the way other countries do. There’s a reason you have ghettos. It’s because you don’t give a shit about em. You don’t want em? Do something about. Until then, STFU.

I doubt you've ever been to Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and looked at the minority population. It's big. In many places they are the majority. But you know what the difference is? We take care of our poverty. We take care of our ghettos so they don't become crime ridden cesspools. We take care of our populous.

Canada is enlightened and there are no racists on either side. Good for you. Although given the true layout of your cities versus your wrong view, it's interesting to note some things.

2% of Canada is black. You want to talk about Toronto, fine. 7% of Toronto is black. By Comparison US Inner Cities where there are problems are 70%+ Black. A bit of a difference, eh? Also, MOST of those Blacks in Canada are immigrants, and not native. So they aren't even Canadian.

In no large Canadian city are blacks a high percentage. Not that you would know, because to you that huge 7% black community is comparable to Detroit or Cinci, and obviously proves Canada is the melting pot the U.S. isn't. Except, again, most of your blacks are foreigners, so it even schews the numbers more...

It's one thing to try to discuss racism, it's another to try and discuss different countries cultures and issues.

You keep missing the point about CULTURE in your narrow Canadian two dimensional world that doesn't comprehend the U.S.. We throw a lot of cash at inner cities, but the problem again is out of wedlock births, entitlement mentalities, and a lack of discipline and focus on family and the things that historically have made people successful.

This won't be changed by me volunteering in the Inner City, which by the way I do. Do you? No, you watch black rich people play hoop in your coutries 'heavy' black town of 7%, most from out of country and educated and declare yourself enlightened.

I didn't say black, I said minority.

Do you deny that your country has majorly fucked up its handling of poverty and race in the last 50 years? Canada and Europe don't have the problems you guys have. Can you venture a guess why that is? Or is it the dirty Liberal in me that would dare ask why

Zanchief Returns wrote:

Martrae wrote:I agree....MLK would be absolutely appalled at the way blacks are today. He'd also probably be treated the same way Bill Cosby is now that he's calling the black population on their attitude.

The way blacks are today? Dear god women I'll go ahead and ignore Ralph, Ouchy, Deikan and Harry cause I don't think they have a clue among the lot of em, but you should know better. The majority of black people are good upstanding citizens, but you know what, people don't care about that. Talking about rich successful black people doesn't sell news papers. It doesn't make you feel all good about your arian heritage. Yea, if MLK were alive today he probably wouldn't be to happy about the development of black culture in the US in the last 20 years, but I he'd be downright OUTRAGED by the way intelligent people like YOU have seemingly made NO progress towards acceptance. You’re no better than your ignorant husband. It's a shame.

Hate to disagre wiuth you their cheif. No one is denying that there are some very intelligent, harwarking, successful black people out there, but they are in THE MINORITY.

The Kizzy wrote:Hate to disagre wiuth you their cheif.

Die.

Lyion just jablowned that fucking bleeding heart liberal with numbers.

It now makes a shitload of sense why he is such a hard core sympathizer. He has NO CLUE what it is like down here. Shit, if the worst I ever had to put up with was 7%, I too would be wondering "whats so bad? You fuckers are racist! They're great people! They have a proud culture!"

Unless Zanchief is black himself, he sounds like one of those annoying liberal wigger black wanna-be's that thinks if he takes these black power defensive stances against whitey it will make him that much closer to being like his black basketball superstars he adores so much.

You get the fucking clue, smacktard and come down here for a few fucking years and see how they are the ones mishandling EVERYTHING that this country ever fucking does for them.

Zanchief Returns wrote:

The Kizzy wrote:Hate to disagre wiuth you their cheif.

Die.

Hmm in hindsight, maybe I should learn to type before I die?

Zanchief Returns wrote:I didn't say black, I said minority.

Do you deny that your country has majorly fucked up its handling of poverty and race in the last 50 years? Canada and Europe don't have the problems you guys have. Can you venture a guess why that is? Or is it the dirty Liberal in me that would dare ask why

Canada and Europe have different problems, related to their individual cultures. While this post is thoughtful and insightful, it is a far cry from the race baiting hate strawman tactic of ignorance displayed by this:

Zanchief Lives wrote:The way blacks are today? The majority of black people are good upstanding citizens, but you know what, people don't care about that. Talking about rich successful black people doesn't sell news papers. Yea, if MLK were alive today he probably wouldn't be to happy about the development of black culture in the US in the last 20 years, but I he'd be downright OUTRAGED by the way intelligent people like YOU have seemingly made NO progress towards acceptance. You’re no better than your ignorant husband. It's a shame.

Which completely misses the discussion due to overt postulating and vapid insinuations of racism due to someone making a valid point of the current problems of American inner city culture.

You wrongly equate a middle class persons irritation at entitlement culture and ignorantly call them racist. Doing this based on your urban knowledge with that vast 7% Toronto Black Population, which we've established are mostly foreigners and not even Canadian, somehow leaves you strangely to believe you know about Inner City America and it's vastly different problems.

Let's change course.

Do you accept the simple premise of the problems of the American inner city being the vast amount of children born out of wedlock, the poor state of schools that recieve quadruple the funding of suburbia, and yet can't recoup half the results, and do you admit this is a cultural issue that cannot be solved by government?

Ouchyfish wrote:Unless Zanchief is black himself, he sounds like one of those annoying liberal wigger black wanna-be's that thinks if he takes these black power defensive stances against whitey it will make him that much closer to being like his black basketball superstars he adores so much.

No, I'm one of those basketball fans that remembers the good old days when we had real white super-stars like Larry Bird and Pistol Pete Marovich. What’s the point of even watching anymore, there are no good role models now that the league is run by the blacks. Who cares the the blacks are better faster more atheletic.

Liberals like Zan really make me laugh. Seriously. He sits up there IN CANADA on his high horse preaching down to us like he actually knows what he's talking about.

Ok, Zan - why don't you pack your bags and come live in one of our inner-cities for about 6 months... then come tell us what you think.

Diekan wrote:Liberals like Zan really make me laugh. Seriously. He sits up there IN CANADA on his high horse preaching down to us like he actually knows what he's talking about.

Ok, Zan - why don't you pack your bags and come live in one of our inner-cities for about 6 months... then come tell us what you think.

You built those ghettos after years of exploitation and oppression and you want me to go there and witness those atrocities? Congradufuckinglations!

Visible minorities account for 43% of Toronto’s population. JABLOWNED!

http://www.toronto.ca/toronto_facts/diversity.htm

See I used to be like you. I grew up in a town with less than 3000 people and we had a grand total 3 black families. They were all your average families and I never understood why some people were prejudiced.

Then I grew up and moved to Atlanta and OMG did I ever learn the difference between an inner city black and one from a small town in Ohio. But I do know there is a difference and when I posted earlier I was referring to the inner city blacks...the ones that got free air conditioners one summer in Atlanta and literally walked out the door with them and went straight to a pawn shop then their local dealer. The ones that while in hotels after being evacuated and housed after Katrina, trashed the hotel rooms they were staying in so those hotels have to replace everything.

You haven't a clue what goes on in an inner city. You should take an extended visit to one and get your eyes opened to the reality of how it is there.

lyion wrote:[Which completely misses the discussion due to overt postulating and vapid insinuations of racism due to someone making a valid point of the current problems of American inner city culture.

She didn't make a "valid point of the current problems of American inner city culture." She made an underhanded racist remark.

I think considering that, my reply was entirely on par with the discussion.

Martrae wrote:MLK would be absolutely appalled at the way blacks are today. He'd also probably be treated the same way Bill Cosby is now that he's calling the black population on their attitude.

If someone black made this comment, would it be racist?

Martrae wrote:You haven't a clue what goes on in an inner city. You should take an extended visit to one and get your eyes opened to the reality of how it is there.

Why is the epidemic so much worse in your country than in Canada and Europe? Don't you think some of the blame rests on your governmental policy? (Rich white people)

lyion wrote:

Martrae wrote:MLK would be absolutely appalled at the way blacks are today. He'd also probably be treated the same way Bill Cosby is now that he's calling the black population on their attitude.

If someone black made this comment, would it be racist?

I think you always have to consider the source.

How many times has Martrae called me Anti-American? Are my points not valid if they came from a fellow countryman?

All this is my perspective after living for a couple years in a city where the majority is black and work with mainly younger people from the inner city ( 17- 25 years old )

OUr town brags alot - our mayor (D) mainly because he is running for Gov. this year. He brags that 60 % of our children actually make it to the 12 grade and 75 % of those make it to graduation. He brags violent crime rate is down, even though there is an investigation on going into Chief of police having our force get rid of crimes, write them off as something else, and taking 12 year old cases and claiming they are solved now to lower our crime rate. In a city this size we have 300 + murders, if we were the size of NYC we would have 1200 + murders a year. He brags about how our unemployment rate hasnt increased at all.

He didnt brag about how were into the first week of feb and already at 31 murders in the city, he didnt brag that 80% of all black youth in baltimore city will find jail time before the age of 25 he didnt brag that only 10 % of all students in this city will graduate from college, he didnt brag about how the state is throwing 5 x more money than the rest of the state gets into improving this city over the past 10 years - and were yet to see an improvement.

I work with many minorities at work most are doing something with their lives - going to college ( tho most are not from baltimore they do live here now. ) they are the smaller % i also work with alot of minorites that dont give a shit and wish to live to see tomorrow.

Did govt really create black on black violence? Did our govt really take away their ability to create a abetter community?

You want govt to fix the problem - the fucking problem starts at homes in these communities that live like this, no one is stopping them from keeping drug dealers off their corners - no one is stopping them from MAKING SURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE SAFE.

When police dont feel safe going into these neighborhoods thereis a fucking issuie you can drop all the money you want into funding programs but until the day they step up and decide they want their communities back it wont happen.


Cherry Hill baltimore and west baltimore in the early 60's were the talk of baltimore- everyone wanted a house there- in the past 40 years we have taken these areas of balitmore and pushed nothing but crap upon crap because no one has stepped up - now in those once thriving area's if yo uare WHITE and their and a cop sees you - expect to be pulled over because a) you are there for drugs or b) lost and going to be shot / carjacked / ect.


You can feel free to come live in this enviroment - i got a friend that will give you a place to live a block from Cherry hill. Still on the ( white ) block You can go roam through and hang out with them all day and spout about how the govt is fucking them over. More than likely you will get mugged or worse but you can feel free to come tell them it isnt their fault at all.

I never said it wasn't their fault at all. Anything short of genocide on this board is considered Liberalism.

You're right...the ghettos are our fault. We handed out money after money and they learned that if they yelled long enough and held their hands out they wouldn't have to do any work at all. And if we dared suggest they do anything for themselves they threw temper tantrums on the floor and screamed racism. We've spoiled them.

Giving black people money, not that it's that much anyway, is not what created ghettos.

Zanchief, in other threads it has been made clear that most of us believe other minorites to not have the problems blacks do to such an extent. Pointing out that Toronto doesn't have the same problems is irrelevent as most of the minority population isn't black. I could be wrong, but aren't most of them Asian? Asians do very well in America as well.

So whats your solution Zan? I would like to hear it since all i have heard it is your govts fault


I dont dismiss the govt in fucking up but I am also not oging to dismiss the blacks in this country that sit there with their hands out saying give me money and I refuse to do anything good for my community.

I dare you to even live in New Bedford for a year.

It's not even THAT large of a city and it's pretty fucking ridiculous.

Mop wrote:So whats your solution Zan? I would like to hear it since all i have heard it is your govts fault

There are a lot of things you could do. For one you could stop slapping all the low income subsidised housing on top of each other so you create massive ghettos. Put low income near middle class homes so it doesn't get so bad.

Lower tuition fees to actually give the impoverished some hope of getting a post secondary education.

Hell I don't have all the answers, it's not my job, but it's hard deny the fact that this problem is much more sever in the US than other developed countries. You can't chalk it up to coincidence.

Mop wrote:I dont dismiss the govt in fucking up but I am also not oging to dismiss the blacks in this country that sit there with their hands out saying give me money and I refuse to do anything good for my community.

They certainly aren't helping their situation any.

Harrison wrote:I dare you to even live in New Bedford for a year.

It's not even THAT large of a city and it's pretty fucking ridiculous.

Do I get to drive a forklift?