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Harrison wrote:Department of Justice
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Thaaaank you =)

I agree that young children especially shouldn't be exposed to the violence, etc in games like GTA. They may not turn to violence as a teen or murder anyone, but what about later and other acts of violence? How many abuse their children/spouses? How many rape and torture? How many self-mutilate (that includes multiple tattoos and peircings IMO)? How many are in therapy?

They may not turn to violence as a teen or murder anyone, but what about later and other acts of violence? How many abuse their children/spouses? How many rape and torture? How many self-mutilate (that includes multiple tattoos and peircings IMO)? How many are in therapy?

So you hold onto your damage for 10 years then beat your wife and rape bitches all cuz you shot some poor pixel person to death ? I dont think tats and peircings count as Self mutilateing. Why does it allways have to be somethings fault when is it gonna be somebodys fault ? Why cant people do wack shit just cuz they are wack.

Argue all you want, I don't think video game violence makes kids violent but I also think there is something very fucking wrong with you if you let your young child play games like grand theft auto.

The games are rated MA for a reason, MATURE, and children are not mature. It may not make them violent, but it is innapropriate for them to be playing it. It always made me fucking sick when I worked at the record store and I would watch some dead beat dumb ass parent walk out with a violent ass video game like GTA for their 6 year old.

I don't think games or music or movies make people more violent. I think if it does influence the person it is because they had previous serious mental issues to begin with, but I do think there is a level of common sense on what you should expose your children to.

One of my patients and I were talking about our ten year-olds, and she just said straight out that she has no problem letting her son play GTA, because he knows that it's not real.

I couldn't believe the ignorance..and def adult games should be kept out of kids' hands, they have no way to appreciate them for what they're meant to be, and that is entertainment. At that age, it absolutely could be a learning tool.

I figure, if my son were 16 I"d probably still not let him play GTA, but some might think that's ridiculous. But I was raised that way, we followed the rules and if we didn't we got into trouble. Can't be too strict if you are strong enough to always enforce the rules, and in my family, my parents ruled.

Your links come from http://www.gamerevelution.com, which makes me think there is a certain bias. I cant even load the DoJ site, so I cant wander around there.

Not doubting, just saying.

spazz wrote:

They may not turn to violence as a teen or murder anyone, but what about later and other acts of violence? How many abuse their children/spouses? How many rape and torture? How many self-mutilate (that includes multiple tattoos and peircings IMO)? How many are in therapy?

So you hold onto your damage for 10 years then beat your wife and rape bitches all cuz you shot some poor pixel person to death ? I dont think tats and peircings count as Self mutilateing. Why does it allways have to be somethings fault when is it gonna be somebodys fault ? Why cant people do wack shit just cuz they are wack.

It's the level of the violence depicted. It's brutal and in your face, how can you not be affected by that? Oh yeah, you've been surrounded by violence for years and you've become numb to the escalation.

Lol I hate REAL LIFE VIOLENCE mart im not numb to it. I just can tell the diffrence between make beleive and real life.

Can ya come up with some more gaming sites to back you up? I mean shit, harry, you know there are 20 times more Family sites out there saying the opposite-doesn't matter in a conversation about opinions, however.

What I asking for is an honest discussion of whether these are appropriate for children and your dumb uneducated drunk ass has yet to answer that.

Can you debate worth a shit harry or are you just going to sit there and yell out curse words while you bang on your keyboard "rawwrr leave my videogames alone rarrww hey cool a corn chip I overlooked! *chomp*"

Plain and simple, I'll try to break it down for your forklift driving psuedo-superior ass:

There are games that depict extreme violence. Using innocent people as human shields, drivebys, carjacking, brutally murdering police officers, etc.

DO YOU THINK IT IS OK FOR A 7 YEAR OLD TO SEE THIS?

Answer that one fucking question and prove to me how adolescent you still are even though your drivers license migtht try to contradict it. then after you make a big enough fool of yourself be sure to come back and say how drunk you were when you wrote it.

It's fun playing that psuedo-superior bit on here isn't it harry? Must really fucking suck when you have to log off and go back to that shitbird life of yours.

spazz wrote:Lol I hate REAL LIFE VIOLENCE mart im not numb to it. I just can tell the diffrence between make beleive and real life.

You know the difference NOW, at 18-25. The kids exposed to this now are younger than 10. They cant tell the difference.
You also cant give me the comeback that you were watching adult movies at 10 and younger, because that still doesnt even compare. The video games NOW are just like watching a movie, so real looking and the movies make the violence and blood look real, not like when I was a kid and it looked like water with red food coloring. You CANT tell the difference at 10, you WILL mimic what you see or at least become so numb to it, that you dont even bat an eye if the thought of blasting your schoolmates comes across your mind. I mean, the people on TV can do it, so can you...

Acctually the stuides show that with propor upbringing children know the differance between right and wron at the age of 7 or less. It's not the video game industry's fault for a lack of parenting. I don't care one way or another if kids play the games, if parents don't want them to get ahold of that kind of material that's cool good for them for being a good parent. My little cousing plays Call of Duty 2 on 360 he's 6 years old he's aware of the differance that it's just a video game and he's not really hurting people and that he can not handle a real gun. If I had kids I wouldn't care what they played but I would be aware of what they were doing and make sure they knew the differance between fantacy and reality.

My kids ask me all the time if the shows we are watching are real or people pretending. Probably because we switch between educational shows and movies. They cannot differentiate unless told.

How old are your kids Mart?

Ok, Ero, you sound rational enough. Is it ok then for a 7 year old to have porn movies purchased for them by their parents and be allowed to watch said movies every day? If not, (and I hope you say no) please explain why.

Well obviously no, but we all have different reasons as to "why not". For starters, sex is too complicated to rationally explain to a 7 year old. Not to mention the fact that you have to explain the difference between sex, it's effects on the human psyche and why it's different from "Back Door Sluts 9".

Secondly, they don't need to know about it yet. They need to learn about sex (when they are older) and it's basic principles first before they see porn and when they do, they need to be able to differentiate between the 2. Imagine a kid getting grossed out every time he see's the mailman, or the cable guy, or the plumber.

However, I don't think it's wrong for kids to see nudity. Nudity is something that is natural, can be explained and is something beautiful. The whole Janet Jackson thing, I could easily explain that to a kid vs. violence. I have a hard time telling a kid why its its acceptable to see people beating the shit out of each other but not see people naked.

7, 5 and 4. I didn't say they didn't know right from wrong but it's hard for them to distinguish between fictional shows and stuff on the discovery channel.

Erodalak wrote:Well obviously no, but we all have different reasons as to "why not". For starters, sex is too complicated to rationally explain to a 7 year old. Not to mention the fact that you have to explain the difference between sex, it's effects on the human psyche and why it's different from "Back Door Sluts 9".

Secondly, they don't need to know about it yet. They need to learn about sex (when they are older) and it's basic principles first before they see porn and when they do, they need to be able to differentiate between the 2. Imagine a kid getting grossed out every time he see's the mailman, or the cable guy, or the plumber.

However, I don't think it's wrong for kids to see nudity. Nudity is something that is natural, can be explained and is something beautiful. The whole Janet Jackson thing, I could easily explain that to a kid vs. violence. I have a hard time telling a kid why its its acceptable to see people beating the shit out of each other but not see people naked.

But its ok to show them what GTA, FEAR, 25 to life, etc shows them? that is something they need to be seeing? See, that's harry's philosophy apparently.

Ouchyfish wrote:There are games that depict extreme violence. Using innocent people as human shields, drivebys, carjacking, brutally murdering police officers, etc.

DO YOU THINK IT IS OK FOR A 7 YEAR OLD TO SEE THIS?

Plain and simple, yes. I see nothing wrong with allowing a child to see that type of violence as long as they aren't forced into watching it. If a child doesn't want to see that kind of thing, then fine. As long as a parent is there to answer questions and explain that it is only a movie (not real) why would anyone have a problem with it?

Darcler wrote:The kids exposed to this now are younger than 10. They cant tell the difference.

I have a 9 year old son. He was just placed in an advanced class. He was watching rated R movies since he was able to see. He shows no signs of violence other than when we wrestle. He's getting to the point that I have to try now. I made no stink about him glancing at my Playboy magazines, either. I feel that if you hide things from your children as if they are taboo, the child will have a stronger desire to covertly seek these things out. There is nothing taboo with the naked human body is what I have taught my son.

Martrae wrote:My kids ask me all the time if the shows we are watching are real or people pretending. Probably because we switch between educational shows and movies. They cannot differentiate unless told.

And that is where parenting comes in. If you allow them to watch violence, bad language or nudity be there to explain that it isn't real it's just a movie. Then your kid won't turn out to be a nutcase.

You are making the mistake a lot of people here are making by expecting the same wonderful results out of all of society at large. Do you honestly think all of the parents out there buying this shit are standing there calmly explaining that "tyrone isn't really mad at that policeman, he is just breaking his skull on the pavement and stomping his chest because that's how he tickles his friends."

I'm happy for you and the success with your child but even you must understand that it isn't the norm by a long shot.

The plain truth is that parents cannot be counted on to ensure the children are being presented this material properly and it is running a huge risk.

Sorry, I am not for big government or government sticking it's nose into parenting business but I do not see any other way here. All I am asking is that they treat this material as they would alcohol, tobacco, or adult materials. I think it should be just as forbidden. Just because a few gifted kids "turn out alright" it should in no way set some kind of standard opening the door to our kids being exposed to greater garbage 10 years from now as this snowball of acceptance and tolerance gains strength.

I want to make a game where the point is to run around and blow up mosques and exterminate the nation of islam. You get bonus points and weapons upgrades for pooping on Korans and spraypainting pictures of Allah in funny ways.

captain_insano wrote:You get bonus points and weapons upgrades for pooping on Korans and spraypainting pictures of Allah in funny ways.

pitch it to that company making those god awful desert storm games

AdivinaDarkfyre wrote:Argue all you want, I don't think video game violence makes kids violent but I also think there is something very fucking wrong with you if you let your young child play games like grand theft auto.

huh? if the games have no effect on them then why would you have a problem with them playing them?

Well Agr, I'm glad YOU have a gifted child. Normal, everyday kids arent as smart. (I'm sorry Mart, but I am going to use your kid, since you did already) Mart's kids have to ask when something is and isnt real. MOST kids are like this. Just because YOU have the bright kid doesnt mean that every other child thinks the same way he does.

Having said that, we watch movies, sometimes violent, with our daughter in the bedroom. She's a little over 1, she shows noooooo interest at all as to what's going on the screen, so we dont have to worry about her yet. When she gets older, when she can talk and mimic, we will most likely wait until she goes to bed to watch such movies.
Oh, and she already isnt allowed to watch Rugrats. I dont want my kid calling other kids "Stupid baby" all the time. It irks me.

I had a point, but I forgot it already.
Oh yeah, this debate is retarded. Different parents, different parenting styles. No one will agree or change their mind.

why would you tell your child not to play a game like FEAR or GTA? if you do that they're just going to play it at their friends house and lie to you about it. agrajag is totally right, imo. anything you try to hide or block them off from, they will find a way to do it. kids are curious, not obedient. i don't think you can steer a kid in the direction you want unless you're a total asshole of a parent and you want a really sheltered child.

i've been watching rated R movies and playing contra since i was 5 and i haven't ever thought of rampaging through a city with a spreadfire machine gun

and isn't it just the USA's firearm crime rate that's really high? i'm pretty sure japan's children play just as many video games and their crime rate is a lot lower... so are most other countries. i really don't think video games are the problem