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Phlegm wrote:The Muslims are currently pissed at the Pope for what he said about Mohammed and Islam earlier in the week. They are protesting the all over the world and demanding an apology.

Well boo fuckin hoo

Let's riot and behead some more western civilians over some words

A youth center run by the Greek Orthodox church in the Gaza Strip was slightly damaged by a small explosion today.

arlos wrote:The thing you're mistaking is that the United States is *NOT* a Christian Country. We are a SECULAR country that happens to contain a large proportion of Christians. Our founding fathers SPECIFICALLY REJECTED making the US a "Christian" nation.

No, you are mistaking the secular laws with the simple fact the majority of people in this country are Christian. Every founder was one of those evil bloodthirsty Christian types you despise.

Yet even so, how many homosexual men are beaten in this country every year by christians for no other reason than the fact that they're gay? Some of them beaten to death? Oh yes, those christians who beat gay people to death are SO morally superior to those who condemn them to death in Islamic countries.

Hey Chief, that's illegal! I'd reckon very few gays are beatup since most homosexuals are in better shape than heteros, but thats a different ball of wax.

Felonious assault carries a pretty big charge, and what you are spouting is again a red herring comparing government sanctioned killing to those individuals who fight in a bar with a gay guy. Not really a good argument.

Of course I don't support those actions of those islamic nations. It's barbaric and wrong. Yes, Islam contains intolerance as well. Basically all organized non-eastern religions do. Christianity just is MORE intolerant overall than any of the others.

I disagree. You defend them at every chance. Since you think ~80% of your countrymen has being the most intolerant humans possible, I'm not sure why you'd want to live here.

How many states just voted in laws denying the possibility of even civil unions and or/domestic partnerships?

Ah yes democracy is hatred and intolerance, if it's not something that you think is right. Gotcha!

Oh yeah, the Christian Church has lost SO much of its intolerance. right. They are less violent now, I will grant you. That is, however, a recent development. As recently as 150 years ago, "Christians" engaged in biological warfare against native americans by selling them smallpox-infested blankets, and felt justified in doing so because the natives were "Godless Savages".

Again, I don't know anyone around from 150 years ago, and it ain't really relevent to current events. Do you hate all Germans. Hitler was only 60 years ago! They must all be evil Nazi bastards who should die!

Amazingly, you keep saying our Government is secular, until its something you don't like, and then it's Christian, such as the small pox episode! So, which is it?

Christianity has *NEVER* been accepting of beliefs that differed even a micron from its own. While they are no longer burning people at the stake or converting by teh sword, that intolerance has wavered not one iota

Utter and complete bullshit. Sadly, it's the angry hating seculars like yourself who despise democracy and really are intolerant, while pointing your fingers at everyone else and proclaiming moral superiority regarding probable actions from before your great grandparents were born.

extremists from any religion are stupid fuckers

Tikker wrote:extremists from any religion are stupid fuckers

I have no problem with people disliking others religions, or self righteous religious or secular people.

I have problems with religions that are above reproach and believe in and sanction violent retribution for the slightest offense. That was the comedy of the quote. That is the comedy of this whole thread, and the vapid comparisons.

Every founder was one of those evil bloodthirsty Christian types you despise.

Ill look for more to back it up when ive got more time but ive heard some theorys that might not be true. I ve heard the suggestion they had their own occult , ive heard that they were pagans in secret and ive heard that they really didnt care for religion at all.

They were all self proclaimed Christians, Spazz.

Everything else you hear is hearsay and is about as probable as W ordering the destruction of the Twin Towers, which is as ludicrous a proposition as comparing modern day Islams violence to Christianity, but hey....

I think you cant see it the other way because you are a christian. Religous violence is religous violence. All religions have followers who do crazy shit in the name of there god. A christian killing someone cuz hes a fag is no different than a muslim killing someone for being an infadel.

As to the religous thing. Just becuase you claim to be something doesnt mean you really mean it.

Diekan wrote:It is true. One doesn't have to look further than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Greed? Gluttony? Lies? All these "sins" condemned by the bible, yet serve as hallmarks of the GOP.

And Democrats aren't guilty of this? Someone needs to pull the blinders off.

Diekan wrote:Anyway, without further digression - let me say that until science can answer the question of where the H came from - I am left with little recourse than to accept that perhaps there is a power beyond my ability to reason.

I don't believe that there is a God of any sort. I do feel that there is something greater than ourselves out there. More like our Universe is a failed experiment long ago thrown away. I feel that the "Creator" that brought us into existance has very little to no control over our lives, if he even knows or cares we exist.

Organized religion, to me, is a way for a person or group of persons to gain control over a population. At first it was a way to explain situations before scientific explanations were found. Just live your life the way you feel is right without hurting anyone else (except on internet forums).

The only reason we are not still beheading people in the streets, burning at the stake and persecuting people that are "different" is because we have done a decent job of keeping the wingnuts out of government (seperation of church and state)... well we HAD been doing a decent job until recently.

We don't need to behead people. We have a worse punishment. We ship them to Minnesota.

We should send them to Arkansas

Driving on the roads in Arkansas is considered cruel and unusual punishment, though....They might hit a bigger pothole and have to get a Visa to China.

Agrajag wrote:

Diekan wrote:It is true. One doesn't have to look further than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Greed? Gluttony? Lies? All these "sins" condemned by the bible, yet serve as hallmarks of the GOP.

And Democrats aren't guilty of this? Someone needs to pull the blinders off.

I think you're the one who needs to take the blinders off. The Demo's aren't the one catering to the religious of this country and proclaiming themselves as champions of Christian belief.

But, yes - otherwise the Demos are just as guilty of gluttony and greed.

lyion wrote: which is as ludicrous a proposition as comparing modern day Islams violence to Christianity, but hey....

you're a bigger idiot then I thought possible

do you completely dispute the bloody history of your christian forefathers?

I don't understand how happenings propegated by a religious group 200 and more years ago have anything to do with what happens today. Should I be paying slave reperations to every black man in town as well? By that "logic" I should.

"1,000 years ago your people were running around the desert cutting each others head off, and 1,000 years from now you'll be doing the same fucking thing."

Or something to that effect. Christianity grew up. When will Islam?

Tikker wrote:

lyion wrote: which is as ludicrous a proposition as comparing modern day Islams violence to Christianity, but hey....

you're a bigger idiot then I thought possible

do you completely dispute the bloody history of your christian forefathers?

That's pretty hurtful when we consider you come from the land of Jim Kerry, Celine Dion, The Star Wars kid, and state sponsored news, comrade.

I wasn't discussing history. I was discussing a quote, and how groups act today.

Is this in the right forum?

p.s. Fuck Arkansas.

Lyion, your skill in Dodging has increased (255)

Less moderation here. If it were in C.A. one of those damn mods would use his GOP Censor powers as the man and keep me down!

I always thought you were a crazy ignorant asshole Lyion, thanks for enforcing that belief.

Let's get something clarified here. The crusades were not a Christian undertaking. The crusades were begun under various Popes and are a Catholic doing. Christianity and Catholicism ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

IMHO, Catholicism is not Christianty because it distorts the basic gospel message and adds a works-based salvation along with a bunch of other BS that isn't biblical.

True Christians of that day would have nothing to do with the Crusades. They were opposed to them. Don't lump them in with the evils wrought by the Popes.

Thank you, and carry on.

I'm wondering if, on balance, religious belief has been the cause of more suffering
than it has been the cause of relief of suffering. I'm inclined to think that it's
the former, but that may well be because I tend to remember the historically
grotesque events brought about by religion, rather than the "good" things religion
has done.

Religious belief seems to be mainly beneficent on a personal level -- On the other
hand, when religious belief goes "bad", a mob mentality takes over and promotes
persecution on a mass scale (inquisition, witch trials, etc.).

I know that good acts happen collectively too, it's simply that I don't hear about
them as often, or remember them as vividly when I do.

In any case, I think it's a messy business -- religion is all bound up with society and
culture, like a giant ball of rubber bands, and to me, it's not clear that intolerance
(or lack thereof) is due to only one of those things. Society, religion, and culture
tend to "hold up" and support each other, and the nature of that relationship makes it
difficult for me to point a finger of blame solely at religion, even if it's tempting
at times to do so.

Dylan wrote:I always thought you were a crazy ignorant asshole Lyion, thanks for enforcing that belief.

Hey, I'm not crazy....

Religious belief seems to be mainly beneficent on a personal level -- On the other
hand, when religious belief goes "bad", a mob mentality takes over and promotes
persecution on a mass scale (inquisition, witch trials, etc.).

Peoples do that, not religions. A person is smart. People are stupid.

lyion wrote:

Dylan wrote:I always thought you were a crazy ignorant asshole Lyion, thanks for enforcing that belief.

Hey, I'm not crazy....