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arlos wrote:You know, I still have yet to understand the Right's blind frothing hatred of Clinton. Disagree with him, sure, but what did he do to inspire such blind hatred?

I mean, look objectively at his administration. We had an incredibly robust economy, actually paid down the national debt, he brokered the deal that brought at least the potential for peace between Israel and Palestine (which would have happened, I think, if Rabin hadn't have been assassinated), etc. etc. etc.

As for North Korea, insulting them repeatedly and being both threatening and belligerant is not a good way to get another country to go along with what we want. While Kim Jong Il may well BE a psychotic wacko, you can't have your diplomatic corps CALL him one publicly and expect to have him still open to viable discussions.

-Arlos

Minrott wrote:Wtf, am I being warned for "personal sniping" at Kim Jong Il?

arlos wrote:"Lame duck" president? Huh? I think you're using that appellation in a manner in which I am not familiar. In common jargon, "Lame Duck" indicates the period of a politician's tenure after the point in which they were voted out of office and when they actually leave office, ie, from early november to the beginning of January, at this point. (It used to be a longer period, but there was a Constitutional Amendment that changed that.)

How do YOU mean it?

Yes, Clinton lied about getting a blowjob. Sorry, but I don't consider that to be that serious an offense. Certainly not when compared to the scale of what someone like Nixon did. Covering up getting a blowjob is not even in the same ballpark as covering up planting bugs in opposition offices, fake press releases that appear to come from an opponent and sabotage their campaigns, secret intelligence apperats, etc. What else do you claim he lied about?

Meanwhile, president Bush has led us into a war that has made our security worse, catered obscenely to big oil and big busineess, and generated the largest budget deficits in the history of the country. I thought the point of being a "conservative" was to, you know, CONSERVE something? The rich have made out hand over fist, the poor have gotten shafted, it's harder for the average person to go to college, the middle class is shrinking, and the gap between the top 1% and the rest of the populace has grown exponentially.

So, when I compare the lies and deceits of the different administrations, well, I consider lying about the causes for a war that has cost 50,000 lives and hundreds of billions of dollars to be vastly more serious than lying about getting a dick sucked by an ugly chick.

-Arlos

arlos wrote:Sure enriched my life. During his administration, I went from earning 8 bucks an hour doing phone customer service to 80k a year as a network engineer because of how well the economy skyrocketed. My life has gotten measurably worse since Bush took office.

I also support Clinton's position on social issues, and applauded him for at least TRYING to get us a system of national health care. Add in some of his foreign relations successes, ESPECIALLY the treaty between Rabin & Arafat, and I think he did a pretty good job. Not his fault a radical jewish terrorist assassinated Rabin and blew the entire process to hell.

As for taking out OBL, you do realize that the scene about that in that lame ABC movie was a complete invention, right? He never got the chance to say Yea or Nay to any attempt to take him out, the CIA wouldn't go for any attempts because they weren't sure they could get him.

-Arlos

Ginzburgh wrote:I thought you were going to post less now that you're a truck driver. Or have you moved on already?

Ginzburgh wrote:I didn't ask if he tried and failed, I asked if it was his fault.

You might want to think about it

Before you tell me how loud I can play my music
Before you tell me the way I should raise my kids
Before you try to tell me what to say
You might wanna think about it, yeah
Before you turn my family farm into a strip-mall
Before you move another factory overseas
Before you go givin’ my job away
You might wanna think about it, yeah
Think about this land that we live in
All the rights we’ve been given
And the people who died to make us free
Maybe you should start thinkin’
About the fights you’ll be pickin’
And the butt-kickin’ you’ll get from me
You might wanna think about it, yeah
Before you try to take away my ten commandments
Before you try to tell me when and where to pray
Before you go messin’ with my faith
You might wanna think about it, yeah
Think about the choice that you’re makin’
And the stance that you’re takin’
Before you come rollin’ down my street
Maybe you should start thinkin’
About the fight you’ll be pickin’
And the butt-kickin’ you’ll get from me
The ass-whippin’ you’ll get from me
Before you go and try to take away my freedom
Before you go and try to take my voice away
Before you go make a big mistake
You might wanna think about it
You might wanna think about it
You might want to
You might want to
You might want to think about it
You might want to
Brother, you need to
You might wanna thinking about it

Plus, he had the chance to take out OBL, but botched that up too.

I didn't say it was his fault.