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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:22 am
by Reynaldo
Countdown to mid-April has officially begun!!
...unless you actually watch the pro bowl I guess.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:47 am
by Phlegm
Reynaldo wrote:Countdown to mid-April has officially begun!!
...unless you actually watch the pro bowl I guess.
What's in mid April?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:50 am
by Xaiveir
I am assuming he means the draft camps start.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:59 am
by Phlegm
Another thing that bugged me about the superbowl is all the thanking God craps in the post game show. What the fuck is up with that? I don't think God gives a shit about a fucking football game.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:19 pm
by Phlegm
arlos wrote:As I said once before, you could sum up the Bears' chances of winning the Superbowl in 3 words:
Rex Grossman Sucks.
-Arlos
Grossman sucked but he just picked up a million dollars bonus for playing in the NFC title game and the Super Bowl.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:20 pm
by Jay
We'll be back next year with a more seasoned and conditioned Rex Grossman.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:24 pm
by Phlegm
Jay wrote:We'll be back next year with a more seasoned and conditioned Rex Grossman.
And he still will suck.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:27 pm
by kinghooter00
lol, i fucking knew that Colts would take it.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:33 pm
by Jay
Peyton dissected our defense and the Colts D was awesome. We missed a lot of tackles and the new Colts MVP Rex Grossman really did his job.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:34 pm
by Lyion
I would blame the Chicago WRs as much as Rex. Did you see any separation at all during the game, Jay? Hell, even the pass to Muhsin in the endzone was a rocket on a line and barely made it. The Sanders INT was just one hell of a play. The ball floated a but, but it still was more Sanders than Grossman.
Jones had 3 good runs, and didn't do jack besides those three. The chicago line was beat at the point of attack.
Chicago was very much in this game, even with being far inferior on paper, so they deserve kudos. In the fourth quarter Rex had no choice but to try and make plays. Seeing how Tom Brady couldn't do it, nor could Steve Mcnair, I'd say Grossman is in good company with other QBs who had it rough against Indy.
The entire Chicago O and their OC deserves the blame here. Grossman didn't play well, but the game was lost their front 5.
On the flip side, CHicagos D could not stop Manning on third down. They did a great job of keeping Indy out of the endzone, but they needed a big play to win it, but never got it.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:40 pm
by Tikker
lyion wrote:I would blame the Chicago WRs as much as Rex. Did you see any separation at all during the game, Jay? Hell, even the pass to Muhsin in the endzone was a rocket on a line and barely made it. The Sanders INT was just one hell of a play. The ball floated a but, but it still was more Sanders than Grossman.
um, no
Berrian had the corner beat by about 4 yards
Rex hung the ball up in the middle of the field, instead of leading the WR towards the sideline
Sanders made a good play, but Rex had a chance to put the ball where only the WR had a shot, and missed
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:06 pm
by Jay
Berrian burned the CB and was wide open. A good hitch would have sent him to the endzone. Unfortunately Rex Chokeman let the ball slip out of his hand and hang in the air which allowed Sanders to catch up and the rest is history. That play was perfect. I could not praise Lovie enough for making that call. Unfortunately, Lovie forgot who our QB is.
Chicago was in this game? You're fucking joking. Devin Hester? Ok he scored in the first 14 seconds. Awesome. We barely had possession of the ball, we were missing tackles left and right, the O line was even manhandling Urlacher and then Peyton throwing checkdowns and pwning our cover 2. Our D, or whatever of it actually showed up, got dissected by Peyton and Dungy. In 1 instance, we forced 6 turnovers in comparison to the Colts' 21 turnovers. In all reality the score really should have been 33-17 but the 1 xtra pt got aborted and Vinatieri missed that one field goal that even I could have kicked. Were it not for the opening TD we would have looked foolish.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:08 pm
by Arlos
Were it not for the opening TD we would have looked foolish.
Sorry, Jay, but getting that opening TD didn't prevent that...
-Arlos
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:11 pm
by Jay
Jay wrote:Were it not for the opening TD we would have looked foolisher.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:28 pm
by Xaiveir
The Deep ball by Grossman was not all his fault, he certainly didnt "choke" it. In a driving rain storm, the deeper the ball is thrown, the more the rain with slow it down and cause it to hang. I (huge anti rex guy) would not hang that on him. Look at the Manning TD to wayne, even that ball got batted down by the rain. It is VERY hard to throw that deep ball in that weather. The sideline interception was however ALL rex's fault, that was a amatuer mistake.
I hang more blame on the coaching staff than anything. Playing 2 deep cover in that weather, and then not adjusting to the Colts game plan was just horrible. I dont think i have ever seen Urlacher more visably upset than he was in that game.
All in all though, the Bears have a pretty bright future. Rex will be an effective QB in this league i believe. You have to remember, he is still only on his 20th (or so) profesional start. The guy has alot of tools, as long as he can get the mental part down he could be a very good QB (god that hurts me to say).
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:42 pm
by Jay
Xaiveir wrote:The Deep ball by Grossman was not all his fault, he certainly didnt "choke" it. In a driving rain storm, the deeper the ball is thrown, the more the rain with slow it down and cause it to hang. I (huge anti rex guy) would not hang that on him. Look at the Manning TD to wayne, even that ball got batted down by the rain. It is VERY hard to throw that deep ball in that weather. The sideline interception was however ALL rex's fault, that was a amatuer mistake.
I hang more blame on the coaching staff than anything. Playing 2 deep cover in that weather, and then not adjusting to the Colts game plan was just horrible. I dont think i have ever seen Urlacher more visably upset than he was in that game.
All in all though, the Bears have a pretty bright future. Rex will be an effective QB in this league i believe. You have to remember, he is still only on his 20th (or so) profesional start. The guy has alot of tools, as long as he can get the mental part down he could be a very good QB (god that hurts me to say).
Funny, Peyton didn't seem to have any problems. And I agree and disagree with your point X. He missed Berrian by a longshot The difference in timing could not have been all rain. That was Rex being Rex. Let's not forget the 2 aborts btw.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:47 pm
by Lyion
Yes, Peyton certainly didn't try to throw a deep pass that was easily intercepted by the Safety in the first quarter due to the conditions.
Oh wait, yes he did....
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:58 pm
by Xaiveir
Peyton did have some problems. The deep ball to wayne was not exactly a perfectly thrown ball, and Wayne had to slow down to catch it. Also Peyton manning is 6'5 with large hands (that sounded dirty). He will have less problems throwing in the rain because the size of his hands, and his ability to grip the ball. Plus, Peyton didnt throw deep very much at all, his only 2 balls the TD to Wayne, and the Int that "floated" towards Marvin Harrison that was picked.
And he did not miss Berian by "a long shot" , the ball was alittle behind Berrian wich allowed Sanders to make the play on it. 5 yards the other way and its a long completion with a possible touchdown. As far as the rain making that much of an impact on a throw, its a HUGE difference when you factor in the slickness of the ball, the weight of the ball (water logged) and the drag that is created by rain on a ball throw, let alone thrown 40 yards down the field. It can impact it by 5-20 yards depending.
One thing i did notice during the game is that Grossman because of the wet ball, was using a shot put motion to throw the ball, so as not to slip out of his hand. Not his smoother motion. So figure that into the equation as well.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:00 pm
by Xaiveir
Also recievers and quarterbacks rely on timing for their routes as well. When you factor into the reciever maybe cutting a split second early on the wet turf, or a second late that can make a huge impact on where the ball placement is on the receiver as well.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:02 pm
by Jay
lyion wrote:Yes, Peyton certainly didn't try to throw a deep pass that was easily intercepted by the Safety in the first quarter due to the conditions.
Oh wait, yes he did....
And he played a perfect game right after that and became Super Bowl MVP. Your point? Rex played like fucking feces. 2 fumbles, 2 interceptions and you're trying to tell me he did all right? Fuck that. Yes, the Bear's sucked at the super bowl but Rex was an instumental part of that suckage. Colts MVP Rex Grossman.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:11 pm
by Xaiveir
Some of Rex's problems were directly linked to the situations his coaching staff put him into. He didnt play well, but he didnt play like shit, and i dont think you can pin the loss on him. There are so many other factors that played into the Bears loss.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:23 pm
by Lyion
Jay wrote:lyion wrote:Yes, Peyton certainly didn't try to throw a deep pass that was easily intercepted by the Safety in the first quarter due to the conditions.
Oh wait, yes he did....
And he played a perfect game right after that and became Super Bowl MVP. Your point? Rex played like fucking feces. 2 fumbles, 2 interceptions and you're trying to tell me he did all right? Fuck that. Yes, the Bear's sucked at the super bowl but Rex was an instumental part of that suckage. Colts MVP Rex Grossman.
He looked better because most of the time he was handing the ball off and getting easy first downs. He rarely saw pressure, also. I'm not sure why the Bears quit blitzing him since it was working, outside of the one blown coverage on Wayne.
Peyton threw dink passes to wide open recievers, and his running backs were getting 5-7 yards a rush. He also had almost NO PRESSURE. Almost all his completions were passes in the flat that were converted to first downs. Rex likewise was making those passes, but his guys were not converting.
Rex had people in his face all day. He didn't play well, but the Bears didn't help him at all. Their running game didn't get them first downs.
The reason Indy won was moreso because Addai and Rhodes put up almost 200 yards rushing.
Rex forced the ball in the fourth quarter, but that was a game Chicago was in up until the one ball that hung and the INT that was run back.
I have it on TIVO and I rewatched it. Rex looked like a young QB, but man their O didn't do much to help him at all.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:27 pm
by Jay
I'm saying he's instrumental in their loss. Coaching put him in situations where they needed him to step up and he didn't. Then again, I don't see where aborting the ball and fumbling it were the fault of coaching. A lot of the Bears' wins have been despite Rex Grossman, and a lot of their losses are because of him. He'll get better and hell, John Elway started as a giant bag of suck but he came out ok. I think the same will go for Rex, but make no mistake, he sucked cock at the Super Bowl.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:30 pm
by Xaiveir
lyion wrote:
He looked better because most of the time he was handing the ball off and getting easy first downs. He rarely saw pressure, also. I'm not sure why the Bears quit blitzing him since it was working, outside of the one blown coverage on Wayne.
Actually, officially the Bears blitz on only 4 downs during the game. Why they didnt blitz more is the question. The answer is they didnt want to give up the big plays that Blitzes give up. Blitzes only work about 30% of the time, and less on Manning. They played straight up Vanilla 4-3-4 defense with 2 deep coverage. Why they didnt adjust that coverage to cover the flares, and flat routes run by Addai and the TE's i will never know.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:41 pm
by Lyion
Jay wrote:I'm saying he's instrumental in their loss. Coaching put him in situations where they needed him to step up and he didn't. Then again, I don't see where aborting the ball and fumbling it were the fault of coaching. A lot of the Bears' wins have been despite Rex Grossman, and a lot of their losses are because of him. He'll get better and hell, John Elway started as a giant bag of suck but he came out ok. I think the same will go for Rex, but make no mistake, he sucked cock at the Super Bowl.
He was instrumental in their loss because the rest of Chicago's O didn't show up, and the game was put on his shoulders in the fourth quarter.
20/28 with 1 TD and 2 INTs in horrid driving rain is hardly terrible stats.
If Rex had played that bad, Chicago NEVER would've been in that game. That was a game they could have won up until the INT that was returned for a TD. An INT that was very similar to one Peyton threw, and yet still got the MVP award.
Also, if your D can't stop the run, generally you'll lose. Chicago's D never stopped Indys running game, which is why they lost. Not Rex. Not Peyton.
What do you do if your D can't stop the run, and your running game is shut down? You force things, which is what Grossman did.
He's getting way too much blame for a game in which his team was overmatched and his OC and running backs didn't help him enough at all.
He didn't play well, but he isn't responsible for this loss in my opinion. I doubt if Griese were in there the result would've been any different. Probably worse since I doubt Brian could've made the zinger to Mohammed that Rex did.