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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:30 am
by Zanchief
vonkaar wrote:Uh... there isn't THAT much of a difference between the MVP-calibre4s in FG%. Boozer is the only one who is ridiculously higher than everyone else.
Boozer (.561)
Timmie (.536)
Yao (.514)
Bosh (.503)
Dirk (.499)
KG (.482)
You're telling me you'd be able to pick Dirk out of that bunch, on FG alone? Suuuure. Full line? Hell yeah, his numbers would stand out like a sore thumb. Sick 3s, way more PPG, FT% through the roof. Combine those personal stats with TEAM stats (36-4 in 07, etc) and what do you get? MVP. Dirk has a 32/9/8/2/4 game in the MIDDLE of a 17 game winning streak. Kobe has a 65 point game to END a 7game losing streak. That's the difference.
Yea whatever, my guy has a better FG% then your guy.
Plus my dad is like twice as strong as your dad.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:31 am
by vonkaar
Phlegm wrote:If the MVP goes to the player that meant the most for their team then Arenas, Lebron James, or Baron Davis should win it.
Bosh is just as important to the Raptors as any of those guys are to their teams.
Now... KG to the Wolves? That's a different story. That team would be lucky to win 3 games without Garnett.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am
by Xaiveir
Zanchief wrote:They came REALLY close to beating the Suns last year.
Witch i was rooting for them in that series. I love the Suns, i hate the Lakers, but i was rooting for them. Why? Because Kobe was "LEADING" that team in the playoffs. He was allowing the game to come to him, he was distributing the ball, taking GOOD shots, setting screens, Making HIS team better, and they almost beat the very heavily favorite Suns.
If Kobe where to play like he did in the playoffs last year, I would have no quarrels with picking him as my MVP. He reverted this year, partially because of injuries to his team, partially because he is just a selfish player (i would be too if i had that talent).
Watching that Lakers team last year, with the way Kobe made them better, willed them into winning, sharing the basketball, encouraging off the ball movement (himself and others) and taking GOOD shots when needed, was beautiful.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:38 am
by vonkaar
Oh, of COURSE I was rooting for the Lakers
AND the Clippers...
hehe.
I'm not sure who I'll be rooting for between the Suns and Spurs... both are fucking dangerous.
On another note...
8th seed.
Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, Hornets, Timberwolves?
Who wants it? Anyone? Anyone? To make it means you get to play the Mavs in the first round (sweep, unless it's the Warriors, which would be an interesting series) and you lose your spot in the 2nd deepest lottery in 15 years.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:40 am
by Zanchief
I disagree. I think he's been very unselfish this year until Phil told him too shoot the ball more.
People don't get down on Ray Allen for taking alot of shots? Why does every jump on Kobe? He shoots a good percentage for the volume he shoots. Actually it's a great percentage when you consider his volume.
Look at other guys that are in his FG attempted range. AI, Arenas not even close.
Plus he's really good with the ladies.
ALSO WAS I RIGHT ABOUT THE STAT LINES. I want to know what my test result was.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:41 am
by Phlegm
I think the Nuggets will take the 8th spot. Although I would like the Warriors to break their playoffless streak but those guys can't hold a fucking lead to save their lives.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:42 am
by Phlegm
Zanchief wrote:People don't get down on Ray Allen for taking alot of shots? Why does every jump on Kobe? He shoots a good percentage for the volume he shoots. Actually it's a great percentage when you consider his volume.
Because nobody watches Seatle. Those guys are never on tv.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:42 am
by Zanchief
vonkaar wrote:Oh, of COURSE I was rooting for the Lakers
AND the Clippers...
hehe.
I'm not sure who I'll be rooting for between the Suns and Spurs... both are fucking dangerous.
On another note...
8th seed.
Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, Hornets, Timberwolves?
Who wants it? Anyone? Anyone? To make it means you get to play the Mavs in the first round (sweep, unless it's the Warriors, which would be an interesting series) and you lose your spot in the 2nd deepest lottery in 15 years.
I think the Nuggets need it.
The way that team is built if they go into the lottery it would be devastating.
Poor Garnett. The guy has too much honor.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:48 am
by Xaiveir
Xaiveir wrote: FG % FT% 3pt PTS REB AST STL BLCK
Player 1 .421 .850 186 1908 312 395 123 13
Player 2 .465 .866 116 1920 361 348 91 25
Player 3 .438 .903 165 1454 247 228 82 11
Player 4 .471 .748 119 1426 239 249 60 11
Player 5 .451 .789 121 1683 396 312 69 23
Wich one is Kobe?
Number one is Gilbert
Number 2 is Kobe
Number 3 is Ray Allen
Number 4 is Joe Johnson
Number 5 is actually Vince Carter
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:52 am
by Zanchief
Wow Vince having a pretty good year.
I think the summer of Vince is going to be a pretty interesting story this off season.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:57 am
by Xaiveir
Phlegm wrote:Zanchief wrote:People don't get down on Ray Allen for taking alot of shots? Why does every jump on Kobe? He shoots a good percentage for the volume he shoots. Actually it's a great percentage when you consider his volume.
Because nobody watches Seatle. Those guys are never on tv.
Im probably the only one in Washington that still watches the Sonics religously:(
I dont believe Ray takes even remotely in the same area code of shots as Kobe does. The distribution on the Sonics is actually pretty good. Chris Wilcox, Rashard Lewis, Allen, and even the point gaurds score.
The Sonics are actually not a Horrible team, by any stretch. I think its Bob Hill that brings them down, and the fact that they have no idea where they will play in 2 years. It looks like a group in Renton (just outside of Seattle) will wind up building an Arena, and sports complex for them, and they will stay in the Seattle Area witch is good.
We have a good nucleaous and are fairly deep, depending how we do in the Lottery this year, i think we will be a 6 seed in the west next year.
Thread Derailment off!
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:01 pm
by Zanchief
If they keep drafting the way they have been they'll never get better.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:03 pm
by Zanchief
Oh and ...
Ray Allen 21.0 FG a game
Kobe Bryant 21.6 FG a game
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:08 pm
by Xaiveir
I dont know, they havnt drafted Horribly. Not great by any stretch. Petro has developed nicely, and he is really young. He needs some meat on his bones. Nick Collison has really shown improvements these last 2 years, and Robert Swift (my vote for goofiest white guy in sports) has put alot of muscle on, and was playing very well before his injury.
I really think we need a much better PG. Ridnour has peaked, and has been under alot of fire in Seattle, and Earl Watson, while he has play has been effective, he is not my ideal starting point. He is great as a second option off the bench though.
Seattle's problem with the draft is due to their position every year. Mediocre record, mediocre pick. Ive almost been rooting for them to tank this year to get more balls in the lottery
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:16 pm
by Xaiveir
Zanchief wrote:Oh and ...
Ray Allen 21.0 FG a game
Kobe Bryant 21.6 FG a game
Ray Allen 5.6 FT per game
Kobe Bryant 9.9 FT per game
So really he is taking about 4.5 shots more per game roughly, remember getting fouled when you are doing a layup, unless it goes in, it doesnt count.
So over the course of an 82 game season 369 more shots a year. Thats alot, when your talking about Kobe taking around 2000 shots. 15% more shots than Ray Allen roughly?
Im certainly not saying Ray doesnt shoot the ball ALOT, but Kobe still does more, by a decent amount.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:19 pm
by Xaiveir
Actually going to correct myself. It would be about half the amount of shots that i quoted...about 2.25 more shots per game. So 160ish more shots on the year.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:35 pm
by Lyion
It's a team game, with many players having different roles. The MVPs are the guys who hoist the trophy at the end of the year.
Basketball is a dynamic enough game that you can argue forever about who the 'best' player was. I think Jordan was a better athlete than Bird or Magic, but I never, ever would've said he was the MVP over either when they were all playing together in their primes.
Then again, NBA has moved more from being a 'we' sport to being an 'I' sport, so MVP probably should mean Most Videoclipped Player...
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:39 pm
by Zanchief
lyion wrote:Basketball is a dynamic enough game that you can argue forever about who the 'best' player was. I think Jordan was a better athlete than Bird or Magic, but I never, ever would've said he was the MVP over either when they were all playing together in their primes.
Hard to say since they weren't playing in their prime together.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:43 pm
by vonkaar
Back when Jordon, Bird, Dr J, Bill Russell and Jerry West were all playing together and in their primes... I'd say that CLEARLY, Lebron James was the MVP.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:46 pm
by Lyion
Michael Jordan once was asked who he would want to take a shot with the game on the line, other than himself. Before the question could be finished, Jordan quickly responded, "Larry Bird."[Sports Illustrated, June 21, 2005]
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:49 pm
by vonkaar
Uh, yeah... and Kareem Abdul Jabar ALSO played during the same time as Jordon but his greatest years were when Jordon was in elementary...
"Prime"
Bird and Magic's PRIME was during the mid 80s. Jordon's prime was during the 90s. This can't be argued. This is sports 101.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:50 pm
by Xaiveir
Vonk is right on this.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:54 pm
by Zanchief
Xaiveir wrote:Vonk is right on this.
I think you mean Zanchief is right on this.
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:57 pm
by Lyion
Except nobody is arguing or disagreeing, so you both are merely being the R tards that you are in every basketball thread.
Carry on!
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:58 pm
by Xaiveir
lyion wrote:Except nobody is arguing or disagreeing, so you both are merely being the R tards that you are in every basketball thread.
Carry on!
I think your avatar is funny as hell. I think we can all agree on that.