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Martrae wrote:/shrug

You'd have to ask him. They did think they were far enough inland, though. They were smart and evac'd, at least.

Just seems like they should have gotten appropriate insurance and what not. It's not the governments place to coddle stupid people like your friend, right?

This is true.

Martrae wrote:This is true.

Damn, I was hoping for more fight.

Well, to some of the Katrina peoples' credit:

-If they owned a car, it's possible they couldn't have gotten any gas because gas stations were in all likelihood jammed and depleted.
-If they didn't own a car, it could very well be that they couldn't afford transportation, or that by the time they realized they really had to leave, transportation was mostly gone and/or too overused to be available.
-Some of them were too old to get anywhere of considerable distance on foot, or were relatives of such people.
-Some people don't watch TV enough to get a barrage of warnings.

People talk about stupidity of not abandoning your home, but I know I'd be hesitant to leave if the risk of it being looted and uncertainty of where to go and/or what would happen to you once you left was really high.

i don't disagree with most of you, in fact, Houston got it up the ass in lots of ways because several hundred thousand people fled here.

i also find it interesting that people are so remarkably articulate and fond of declaring how stupid everyone who was in NO or on the coast

I find it interesting that people live near the coast, or BELOW ocean level then have the gall to complain when they get flooded, or have a sea storm invade the neighbourhood

Gosh, it'd be like a Canadian complaining about snow or cold weather!

-Arlos

exactly

we like to invite all our souther vendors up to visit in january and february to hear them complain

aaaahhhhhh..... no one has the right to complain.... that's what this is about.

well, it must be nice that one guy who always gets it right and never complains....

come on folks, the hipocrisy is thick enough to choke on.

If I had to choose between losing all of my shit and my home over my life, I'd choose my life.

Staying when the destructive force of a fucking cataclysmic beast of a hurricane is coming, is stupid.

I wouldn't depend on our hurricane barrier when a Category 5 is on the way to Massachusetts. I don't give a shit who says it will hold.

I find it very interesting that it seems to be so commonly accepted that media is injected by bias, that when it's brought out bold faced that a government agency was trying to bias media in an effort to influence public opinion, the discussion derails to a related incident that has been re-hashed more then a few times here... Seriously looking at all the replies to this thread, I get the "nothing to see here, please move along" feeling.

Then the Homeland Security Department took a different approach and lambasted FEMA for such a deceitful act. Spokeswoman Laura Keehner told reporters, "This is inexcusable and offensive, and stunts like this will not be tolerated or repeated."

If nothing else, the debacle is a clear indication that when it comes to communications and essential standards of conduct, these federal agencies are out of touch with one another, though they work for the same exact team. Or perhaps it was just the planned reaction, taking heat off one agency by having a similar one perform the lashing.

I found this suggestion by the author as erroneous, considering that last month DHS was catching flack for being up front and honest about it's problems in releasing the results of TSA security tests.... nope I don't think it's DHS putting on a show, but an actual difference between agencies. Given that DHS doesn't feel the need to trump up it's public image, and in fact is forthcoming with it's shortfalls, and FEMA feels the need to try and influence the media and by proxy it's public image... I think it points less to conspiracy between different departments in our government and more toward which departments need serious attention. Bottom line, all evidence points to FEMA not getting it's shit together even after Katrina.

Arlos wrote:Gosh, it'd be like a Canadian complaining about snow or cold weather!

-Arlos

actually this is a bad example

if you chose to live along a major techtonic fault line, and were given a months notice of a big quake coming, and chose to stay home, you'd have no recourse to bitch


if we found out that -80 weather, and 18 feet of snow were coming (and staying) we'd be foolish to stay

Tikker wrote:

Arlos wrote:Gosh, it'd be like a Canadian complaining about snow or cold weather!

-Arlos

actually this is a bad example

if you chose to live along a major techtonic fault line, and were given a months notice of a big quake coming, and chose to stay home, you'd have no recourse to bitch


if we found out that -80 weather, and 18 feet of snow were coming (and staying) we'd be foolish to stay

Sure we'll use your example. I big earthquake is coming and your are told that all the structures will hold. You decide to stay behind. All the structures collapse and all hell breaks loose.

That's the difference.

now what if only some people are saying the buildings will hold, and others are saying everything will fall down


do you stay? or do you leave?

I've always been horrified that they didn't give enough warning to those in the floods of 40 days and 40 nights. I had so many nightmares due to natural disasters because of this.

on another note, my mom has been saying for 20 years that people should leave california because of the earthquakes.

How many people can really just move because of their disaster prone areas? "I wouldn't live in Kansas because of the tornados" "I wouldn't live on the coast because of hurricanes"

I mean..we populated the Earth, isn't that what God wanted? He's like a kid who makes a sand castle and says "I don't like it!!" then knocks it down.

Tikker wrote:now what if only some people are saying the buildings will hold, and others are saying everything will fall down


do you stay? or do you leave?

No one was saying the levies would break. If some where, that information wasn't being told to the people on NO.

I'll see if I can find it, but I seem to remember reading before it happened, that a lot of people were pretty sure the levies were not going to hold

while looking, i found this neat conspiracy site

apparently the jews wtfpwned new orleans

http://www.media-criticism.com/new_orle ... walls.html

Tikker wrote:I'll see if I can find it, but I seem to remember reading before it happened, that a lot of people were pretty sure the levies were not going to hold

hrmm good luck~

I love conspiracies, not that I believe them. thanks for posting!

True story:

the doctor I worked for at the time described being in NO this way...as she walked the street downtown she could look up and see ships passing.

this completely freaked me out. I've never been there.