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Gypsiyee wrote:fair enough, but if we're talking about using it as a political tool, why do you not take more issue with McCain who used it as such first?

Lueyen wrote:

Gypsiyee wrote:fair enough, but if we're talking about using it as a political tool, why do you not take more issue with McCain who used it as such first?

Because I don't take issue with the mention of the bracelet by either man, what I take issue with is the apparent lack of respect in not bothering to remember the soldiers name without having to read it off the bracelet. I wouldn't even really take issue with the mother's seeming reversal of stance in regards to how it was used had it not been for his trouble in remembering her son's name.

Considering that one of these men will most likely be the next POTUS, I'm glad mothers have given both of the bracelets to serve as a reminder of the human factor in the decisions they will make. I would expect them to reflect on this, and an explanation of their positions to include it. When however he can't remember the soldiers name, it seems very disingenuous, and disrespectful. If it had been my loved one I would have taken it as a slap in the face, that she did not, that she reverses her standing on the issue points to being so enamored even in this he could do no wrong.

vonkaar wrote:The simple fact that you are arguing about braceletgate instead of... I don't know... anything else... shines a light on how shallow this election has become.

ClakarEQ wrote:Lue, if you want to talk about disrespect, lets do that about the two people in question. Why did McCain never look at Obama? Why does McCain radiate I'm better than you attitudes? I watched the entire debate and McCain was a disrespectful old man set in his ways refusing to let go of his past even though he says he wants change. He reminded me of my dead grandfather who frankly was a dick. McCain is the perfect example of the old phrase, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Lueyen wrote:Well I finally watched it all the way through. I suspect McCain not looking at Obama was a method to help him to keep from losing his temper. If I'm right about this though I have to ask the question if this is how he would approach foreign dignitaries he didn't care for. Of course in disrespectful gestures one must also include Obama's frequent references to McCain as "John" instead of Senator something McCain always did.

Lueyen wrote:I guess I have far different priorities, because a presidential candidates lack of respect toward soldiers killed in combat in their service to this country weighs a lot more heavily in my mind than any disrespect shown toward their political opponents.

Arlos wrote:Uh, I didn't see any lack of respect towards a slain soldier whatsoever. I saw someone, in the middle of the heat of a debate, want to make sure he got the name exactly correct. In short, it looked like a momentary brain fart, where you lose your train of thought and need to reset to get it back.

I have yet to see him commit a single act of disrespect towards any soldier, slain or otherwise. I think you're grasping at straws here, and are automatically supplying the most detrimental possible interpretation, because it fits your pre-conceived notions.

-Arlos

Tossica wrote:I think your perception of disrespect is skewed by your dislike for the man. McCain did the SAME EXACT THING, in fact, he glanced at it several times before he said the name.

Tossica wrote:You are smarter than this. Certainly there has GOT to be something else that you can use as ammo? Right?

Tossica wrote:Yeah, except you are using how he looked at his bracelet and stammered a bit in a stressful public forum as proof that he doesn't have respect for the soldiers that have died in the war. That's some pretty weak shit dude. If you were sane, you'd realize that.

Harrison wrote:I think you're retarded if you vote for either of them.

Narrock wrote:

Harrison wrote:I learned my lesson in 92 when I voted for Perot, and we ended up getting stuck with the most corrupt and morally-bankrupt asshole of a president this country has ever seen.

If you vote for a 3rd party candidate you are throwing your vote away.

Harrison wrote:There really isn't anyone out there that I would vote for anyways.

brinstar wrote:i'm with JQA

Martrae wrote:"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."
John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) 6th US President

Narrock wrote:

Harrison wrote:I think you're retarded if you vote for either of them.

NOT voting for either one of them would be a retarded choice. If you vote for a 3rd party candidate you are throwing your vote away. I like Ron Paul the best out of all of them, but Ron doesn't have a chance in hell of winning. None of the 3rd party candidates has a chance in hell of winning. I learned my lesson in 92 when I voted for Perot, and we ended up getting stuck with the most corrupt and morally-bankrupt asshole of a president this country has ever seen.

Furthermore, I'm not jumping up and down cheering for McCain. I just think I know what we'll get with him... a man who loves this country, and a man who "reaches across the aisle" to get things accomplished. I don't see McCain as "Bush 3" at all. Obama is a gamble... a HUGE gamble that I'm not willing to take. I am endorsing McCain because of that.