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Narrock wrote:Well, I'm just telling you how I would react in that stuation. That doesn't make me wrong or bad.

I think it would.

Zanchief wrote:

Narrock wrote:Well, I'm just telling you how I would react in that stuation. That doesn't make me wrong or bad.

I think it would.

That's a shocker.

You know what mindia. I think you absolutely love your daughter and you say you would be upset now but if she really did grow up to be gay I think you would defend her against people like yourself rabidly. I think youd get over it very quickly and support her no matter what. You might be a tool sometimes but I dont doubt your love for your child. I dont think you would try to tell her shes straight or try to fix the gay because in the back of your mind you wouldnt be able to bring yourself to hurt her or make her feel depressed or worse about herself.

I think in a strange way I may have just given you a compliment.

Thanks? lol

I guess what im saying is I think your love for your little girl is stronger than your political convictions:)

I actually think Mindia would try to "fix" her daughter if she confessed she was gay. Because Mindia loves his daughter so much, in his mind he would be trying to "save" her because she would be committing an abomination and would be doomed by the morals of Christianity. She would basically be a walking contradiction to everything Mindia believes in.

Betting on Mindia being tolerant is a suckers bet, Spazz.

Im not betting on him to be tolerant im betting im him loving his kid more than he hates queers.

Griever wrote:I actually think Mindia would try to "fix" her daughter if she confessed she was gay. Because Mindia loves his daughter so much, in his mind he would be trying to "save" her because she would be committing an abomination and would be doomed by the morals of Christianity. She would basically be a walking contradiction to everything Mindia believes in.

this is my bet, but that's not to say it's him being a bad person. I think he'd do it because he truly believed it to be in her best interest, not to hurt her.

I think most parents who try to insist their child be something other than they are do so because they believe it's what's best for them. I don't think good and loving parents ever go out of their way to hurt their child, and Mindia isn't an exception to that. I don't think anyone questions his love for his daughter.

Good intentions don't necessarily constitute the right thing to do nor do they always produce good results, though. If it's morally reprehensible to try and force your kid to be gay, it's equally so to try and force your kid to be straight.

Gypsiyee wrote:If it's morally reprehensible to try and force your kid to be gay, it's equally so to try and force your kid to be straight.

Lady, you're making all kinds of sense today. I'm afraid it will all be for nothing though.

What up? Um, I know I'd be disappointed. You (rhetorically speaking) can think about and say how you would handle it, but you actually DON'T know how you'd handle it until you're confronted with that situation.

Narrock wrote:What up? Um, I know I'd be disappointed. You (rhetorically speaking) can think about and say how you would handle it, but you actually DON'T know how you'd handle it until you're confronted with that situation.

As someone with 3 family members who are/were homosexual or bisexual (I say were because 2 are now deceased, one from a suicide deriving from responses to her coming out), I certainly know how I'd respond because I've already responded to it. It's no different accepting it for a sister, uncle, or cousin than it is to accept it for a child.

I will tell you this.. I may not be a mother yet, but I never, ever want to see my child go through the anguish and internal struggle I've seen family members and friends go through while fighting who they are just to be deemed an acceptable human being by the masses.

Sorry to hear about your loss Gyps.

it wasn't recent, so it's not raw or anything. it just sucked to see what my cousin went through. she was a stellar person--one of the types that comes around seldom in a lifetime that'd give you the shirt off her back without flinching. I remember when I was little we were visiting for christmas (they live up in the catskills) and I was really distressed to be in the cabin instead of the house which was two miles away--we were snowed in and she walked me all the way there on piggyback just so i wouldn't be upset anymore.

no one deserves to feel like they're a lesser person for something beyond their control, especially not someone with a genuine heart like hers.

that's the unfortunate reality for a lot of homosexuals. people can't relate and can't understand, so they tend to project what they believe is right or wrong on them. some are well-meaning and some are outright cruel. in the midst of it you get this lost person who constantly questions themself and their worth and sacrifices their happiness to conform to what people want them to be and expect of them.

it can be a pretty rotten and lonely unfulfilled life if you don't have enough support from people who are understanding and offer unconditional love to counteract the negative that's constantly thwarted at them.

And that is exactly why If mindias girl grew up to be lez he wouldnt do anything retarded. Hes got the internet and reads about gay suicides and what not and I dont think he would risk the life of his little girl over politics. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth to feel im defending him too

Spazz wrote:And that is exactly why If mindias girl grew up to be lez he wouldnt do anything retarded. Hes got the internet and reads about gay suicides and what not and I dont think he would risk the life of his little girl over politics. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth to feel im defending him too

Dude, I bet you'd like me outside of the NT. Farreal bro.

he's a smoker, and probably wouldnt take it too kindly if you refused to let him sit on your furniture.

F that, Arlos, my comment was 100% valid. It's people like Mindia that caused Gyps cousin to kill herself, and he should know it. His beliefs in this regard are shameful.

Censorship in this situation is just enabling.

I agree that the way some people react to queers is shameful but what are you gonna do force them to not be bigots ? Its funny to me that on one hand you bitch about censorship and on the other want to censor people. just sayin bro just sayin ......

Im all for anti bullying but a tiny voice in the back of my head does whisper to me about the thought police. Its kind of a tricky discussion to have without looking like a hyocrite. I hate racism and prejudice but I also hate anything that limits free speech.

Zanchief I think I dislike you more than any other poster here including mindia.

I'm not trying to censor him. He's free to say what ever he wants, and I'm free to tell him he's wrong.

Zanchief wrote:F that, Arlos, my comment was 100% valid. It's people like Mindia that caused Gyps cousin to kill herself, and he should know it. His beliefs in this regard are shameful.

Censorship in this situation is just enabling.

Slow your roll dude. Think about what you just said. First of all it's not true, and secondly, that's waaaaaaay harsh. I said I would be disappointed... not ridicule, shame, or abandon her (which is the treatment Gypsiyee's cousin got from her family.)

Tuggan wrote:he's a smoker, and probably wouldnt take it too kindly if you refused to let him sit on your furniture.

See mindia I dont ever get along with you and I had your back up in this bitch.

Zanchief wrote:F that, Arlos, my comment was 100% valid. It's people like Mindia that caused Gyps cousin to kill herself, and he should know it. His beliefs in this regard are shameful.

Censorship in this situation is just enabling.

You don't know WHAT he would do, as he hasn't been put in that situation. From what he's posted HERE, it sounds like he might disagree with the choice, but wouldn't be one of those parents that disowns their child for it, or drives them off, etc. But suggesting he, personally, is responsible? That's a stretch even in MY book.

I did delete your comment, yes, because it was a direct personal attack. Sorry, but I refer you to the stickied post at the top of the forum. There were ways to get your point across without attacking the PERSON. Alternately, if you want to vent your spleen directly at him, feel free to post in EE. You know me, I am hardly the sort to censor anyone, no matter what their point of view. As long as you are making an ARGUMENT and not an attack.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've been pretty happy with the changes I've seen here since I got fed up and made the post/rules change/enforcement. There has been a lot more actual DISCUSSION, less mindless ranting and insults, and people seem to be in a better mood all around. Maybe that's just my delusional impression, but I don't think so.

I may agree with you in a lot of your political convictions, but the rules apply to people I agree with as well as those I disagree with. As I said, feel free to make personal attack posts in EE, I won't touch them there. HERE though, as I said, some needling and minor ball-busting is OK, but I simply don't want to put up with the levels of personal animosity we had here before. If you don't like how I'm handling things, feel free to send a complaint message to Gidan and ask him to revoke my mod-hood.

-Arlos

Narrock wrote:

Zanchief wrote:F that, Arlos, my comment was 100% valid. It's people like Mindia that caused Gyps cousin to kill herself, and he should know it. His beliefs in this regard are shameful.

Censorship in this situation is just enabling.

Slow your roll dude. Think about what you just said. First of all it's not true, and secondly, that's waaaaaaay harsh. I said I would be disappointed... not ridicule, shame, or abandon her (which is the treatment Gypsiyee's cousin got from her family.)

Not family.. she didn't take any ridicule from any of her family that she associated with on a regular basis that I'm aware of. All of us loved her unconditionally. My aunt and uncle are really old fashioned (my aunt calls me lovey and deary, always makes me giggle--she's 13 years older than my mom) and were taken aback I guess you could say, but they didn't care--didn't change her in their eyes. It was more difficult with like, neighbors, co-workers, etc. Small town in the mountains, word spreads fast