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i say start an outreach program which helps mexican immigrants get GEDs, better job training, and citizenship

then when they go back to work for $10 an hour the whiny Wasichus won't be able to complain anymore when no one will pay them three times as much for the same job that takes longer to get done

we'll call it Insourcing

Moral of the story: Don't hire undocumented workers.

Moral of the story: Americans stop thinking you are too good to do menial jobs.

you still need a livable wage doing 'menial jobs'. $5.15 is not going to pay your rent, let alone buy food and pay bills.

im just fucking sick of people born in this country getting the shaft while legal immigrants get handouts to get a leg up on those already here. should be the other way around.

far as illegals go, i dont care. gather em up, and send them bastards back to wherever they came from. thats gotta be cheaper than wasting the bucks supporting people who dont belong. wanna come to the great usa? fill out the fucking papers.

Moral of the story: Ideas like "Minimum wage" and "Livable wage" are fantasy when an unlimited source of inexpensive labor is available.

Moral of the story: excessive use of the term "moral of the story" ruins threads.

Wasn't Mindia complaining how much housing costs where up in another thread? Would paying some guy $45/hour to hammer nails drive up the cost of construction on a home? Where is the logic in that?

Sure Mindia, I'll pay you $60/hour to drive nails but then ask me to rent my 2/2 apartment down the street and it will set you back $3000 in rent. What a great idea. Eventually, we can start printing $10,000 bills so we don't have to lug a wheelbarrow of money to the store to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk.

Ganzo got it right. Do it faster for less money. That formula made this country great. If you can't do that, your only hope is to find a niche "quality" market who would be willing to shell out more for better results. That only works if the results are better though so good luck with that.

The guy hammering in nails wouldn't demand 45 dollars an hour if you (not you personally) greedy mother fucking landlords didn't jack your rent the fuck up through the roof because "it's what everyone else is charging" bullshit excuse.

Are you using the chicken or the egg defense? We are talking basic economic theory. This entire arguement is based on external influence on what would be a free market system:

Mindia wrote:I think the Federal government should step in and do a weekly sweep of every single construction project in America. If any illegal or "undocumented" aliens are found on the site they should be arrested and deported, and the contractor should be arrested and stripped of his contractor's license and never be allowed to work in the construction industry again. Enough is enough already. Illegal aliens have stolen food off the plate of the American worker for too long now. Drastic measures need to be implemented ASAP.

So there you have it. Put a gun to someone's head and force them to pay Mindia $45/hour to drive nails. When this country was free, people could work hard and be rewarded by doing something better and faster than everyone else. Now all you need is to pick up the phone and call Senator Kennedy to "step in".

Good lord, do you have any idea what the cost of sweeping all the constructions sites would be?

A whole lot more than bus tickets to Canada.

I like the idea of bussing them to Canada - then they can stop fucking bitching about us worrying about controlling the immigration.

But...

Can we keep a few Mexicans around to run the mexican restaraunts? Please?

Are unions a liberal or a conservative idea?

EDIT: Hold up... I know the answer: 'if they are bad, they are the opposite of whatever my view is.'

Diabolik wrote:Are unions a liberal or a conservative idea?

EDIT: Hold up... I know the answer: 'if they are bad, they are the opposite of whatever my view is.'

Unions are overwelming in support of the Democratic party. I'll let you make the decision if that's "liberal" or "conservative".

I can guarantee you with 100% certainty, that it's not the $45 an hour carpenter driving up housing costs, its the Dan Ryan's and S&A homes who charge an assload of money to build the house. They pay the carpenters $45 an hour, and still make a huge profit.

If you want a house built right, and fast, and cheap, hire the Amish.

Hear that, Mindia? Time to vote Democrat.

Unions are the worst thing that can happen in a free market economy, they allow for substandart work, overpriced labor, and worst of all: seniority vs quality reward.
Unions are socialist idea turned reality. They are 100% democratic, since whole idea is opposed to republican standarts.

Ganzo wrote:They are 100% democratic, since whole idea is opposed to republican standarts.

Unless a Republican is in a union, then it's "Go Teamsters"? :D

edit: Not trying to offend anyone... it's just my observation that a lot of folks want to see things as black and white. There are in fact a lot of greys.

Grey my ass. Unions are the devil.

Ganzo wrote:Unions are the worst thing that can happen in a free market economy, they allow for substandart work, overpriced labor, and worst of all: seniority vs quality reward.
Unions are socialist idea turned reality. They are 100% democratic, since whole idea is opposed to republican standarts.

As opposed to the republican standards of working the living shit out you while paying you as little as absolutely possible?

It's the modern day "republican" way of thinking that gave rise to the need for unions in the first place.

Diekan wrote:

Ganzo wrote:Unions are the worst thing that can happen in a free market economy, they allow for substandart work, overpriced labor, and worst of all: seniority vs quality reward.
Unions are socialist idea turned reality. They are 100% democratic, since whole idea is opposed to republican standarts.

As opposed to the republican standards of working the living shit out you while paying you as little as absolutely possible?

It's the modern day "republican" way of thinking that gave rise to the need for unions in the first place.

Are you telling me that a Mexican with a hammer and some nails can make double the minimum wage by himself but a highly trained and experienced automobile worker needs the help of a union to keep from getting a $5.00/hour shaft by corporate America? (or is it just "republican" corporate america?)

Modern day unions are excuse for lazy, unskilled workers to get paid more than skilled hardworker

Ganzo wrote:Modern day unions are excuse for lazy, unskilled workers to get paid more than skilled hardworker

Ganzo is too smart for his own good.

Ganzo wrote:Modern day unions are excuse for lazy, unskilled workers to get paid more than skilled hardworker

I agree with this. Not every union member is like this but... for every 3 hardworking union members, there's 1 who does nothing. And the other 3 guys can't stand him.

Unions were great 100 years ago, but the pendulum has swung too far back in the favor of unionized workers at the cost of everyone else. There's a middle ground somewhere in there.

Scoota McGee wrote:Besides, Canada could use a little more diversity.

You, sir, have never been to Canada.

I'll admit the far north and the prairies may be dominated by white people, but in cities like Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, Halifax, Edmonton I guarantee there is a lot more cultural diversity then your average American city.

But if you want to send all the Mexicans up our way, go right ahead. Mexican food is delicious and I could use a laugh next December.