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Zanchief wrote:

Tossica wrote:The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

He and you are actually very much incorrect.

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:

Tossica wrote:The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

He and you are actually very much incorrect.

Lets compare crime's committed in the name of religion and those committed in the name...atheism's?

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Youre going to Hell Zanchief. Youre a small, heartless, lonely person. You are afraid of death. You were raped by a priest. You are uneducated. You are deceived by Satan. You have no morals. You have no values. Youre an evil liberal.

I think that about covers it.

Organized religion is for silly billies.

Zanchief wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:

Tossica wrote:The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

He and you are actually very much incorrect.

Lets compare crime's committed in the name of religion and those committed in the name...atheism's?

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Almost 90,000 dead in Mexico between 1926 and 1929 because the government decided to secularize its people at gunpoint, and thousands more in the early 40s for the same reason. Also... Stalin, anyone? Pol Pot?

So, not 0.

Zanchief wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:

Tossica wrote:The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

He and you are actually very much incorrect.

Lets compare crime's committed in the name of religion and those committed in the name...atheism's?

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Your understanding of the world has worsened! (255)

Try checking out what the USSR and Stalin did sometime, Zan.

Lyion wrote:Try checking out what the USSR and Stalin did sometime, Zan.

Ah the coincidence of this remark in a thread about Ann Coulter. Tell me Lyion, have you read her book "Treason"?

No sir. I find her interesting, but she's an attach shark solely. Comparable to liberal Op Ed guys, but with a bit more style and panache.

I gloss over her columns and chuckle when the left wing zealouts go apeshit.

Getting raped by a priest caused James Frey to indulge in way too much alcohol and drugs to the point that he allowed himself to become addicted to them and now he has a book about it.

That's reality to me. People that can't stop talking long enough to hear other people speak is what makes it all so unbearable at times-Ann Coulter likes to hear herself talk and she like Lyion said in not the same way- is intelligent enough to finalize her point in an argument so well that it throws the other side off. I like things about her but I happen to like strong, indepently thinking women and I like that about her, not so much that I agree with most of what she says or even the way that presents herself.

She doesn't deserve this much attention from people who get bent out of shape over her. Like Martrae said she is a journalist, and that's interesting since she's very much living her life through her job in every way. Her personal opinions on politics and how they are rated on a conservative scale is how she makes a living.

I could sit and read her book for a while at sheds and poors, maybe not buy it but it'd be interesting to read.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe she is a lawyer and not a journalist?

what do stalin or the USSR have to do with atheism?

All atheists are murderous and immoral. The ONLY way to live your life as a decent human being is to give your life over to Jesus. You are incapable of making moral decisions without the guidance of the lord.

yes I believe you are right, she is a lawyer and a political analyst. So she's not a journalist then!

She is a cunt.

Martrae wrote:What's really amusing is this kid is a journalism major. Talk about being impartial.

The student heckling her is who I was referring to. He's obviously still developing his unbiased viewpoint.

If you hear the Atheists here and the way they talk about religion, and their complete lack of compassion it's not a far stretch from Josef to them.

A bigot is a bigot, The supposed free thinking 'liberals' who spew hatred at religion are no different than the racists. Especially those who wouldnt give a drop of spit to a person in need, and yet scoff at people of faith whom are 1000 times better people than them and make a difference in the world versus being just another useless hedonistic wagging dick.

If your religion is survival of the fittest, then why would you care about anyone else? No wonder so many of the Atheists here are such miserable hate filled bastards.

I am all about love.

Just want to remind everyone that not all Atheists are bad, some of them have complete repect of religions. They themslevs jsut choose not to beleive in them.

The actual beleifs of an Athiest organization is

"Your petitioners are Atheists, and they define their lifestyle as follows. An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now -- here on earth -- for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment."

There are also religions that do not beleive in a "God" such as buddhists. I would vertainly not lump buddhists in that group.

I am not saying that there are not really bad athiests, some are jsut horrible who would rather spit on you then tell you the time of day but that is not all of them. Some of the nicest, most generous people I know are atheists.

Except again that is defining Atheism has a belief system. I equate it more like Null. Where you have nobody to answer for, and merely fear getting caught breaking the law.

If you are truly food for worms, why would you care about how you live your life? You are essentially your own personal part time deity living only for the now and yourself. You may care about your family, but that is within your own personal cares. Once you are gone, its over, correct?

Drem wrote:what do stalin or the USSR have to do with atheism?

Atheism was only religion alowed in USSR. Everyone who was in any way associated or suspected to me associated with religion ended up dead or in concentration camps.

Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
God - A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people

Some people care about the way they live their life because they want to hold themselves to a moral standard based on how they think people should live. Not everyone lives their life in a way to buy their ticket to heven. Just because you dont beleive in a supreme being or an afterliefe doesn't mean you dont have standards you live up to.

You do not need to beleive in god to have morals.

Again, why do you care about making Heaven on earth if you are gone in 50 or 60 years? Shouldnt you gut the world and make it your bitch before you are six feet under? Remember, we're talking pure Atheism, not agnosticism or some sort of spirituality with belief in the divine such as Buddhism.

The difference is you do what you want, versus trying to do what is right based on personal spirituality and societal morals. Again, if someone is their own God, and believes in nothing but the now, what benefit is anything for them now save doing what they want, when they want it. Sure one Atheist may be good. One may be bad. As a whole there is nothing defining how you SHOULD act. That is a key difference.

What does it matter if you are a mass murderer? Once you are dead, your consciousness goes to the null and you are over. What does it matter if you hurt someone else, especially if it helps you? Whats the harm? You are accountable solely to yourself and the laws of the land. The laws shouldnt matter unless you are caught, too. It's all about you!

You equate religion with the afterlife, incorrectly. It's about the here and now.

Interestingly enough the US atheists moral systems are based primareily on Judeao-Christian beliefs because thats how they were raised. The simple fact is faith is the belief there is better out there, and we strive for it. Interestingly enough, while Gen X ran away from God and scorned religion, much of the new younger generation is finding faith en masse and not living with hate and fear.

Indeed, where ANYWHERE do you get the idea that being an Athiest or Agnostic has anything to do with being moral? Indeed, I'd argue that many athiests (certainly all the ones I know personally) are far more motivated to do good works here on earth during their lifetimes, since there is no "eternity" for everyone to be happy and sing hosannahs, so there's only this one chance to make people's lives better. What you're thinking of isn't athiesm, it's nihilism, which is two very different things.

You seem to think that Religion is the repository of all morality. That is patently false.

Also, I have yet to see anyone here on NT claim to hate religion. What I HAVE seen people claim to hate are religious institutions. Those are two vastly different things. You have the absolute right to have whatever religious or spiritual beliefs that you wish. No question, no argument, period, and I'll bet that most or all of the people on here you say "hate religion" would be willing to fight tooth and nail against any attempt to prevent people from having whatever faith they so choose.

What I, and others it would seem, do *NOT* condone, however, is the role of organized religion in attempting to force their beliefs onto other people. This is most readily observed today in the Fundamentalist Christian Right which has suborned a good percentage of the Republican party. Attempting to pass laws SPECIFICALLY based on christian doctrine is not only wrong, it's completely against both the letter AND the demonstratable intent of the Constitution. (The other Founding Fathers knew what Jefferson's intent was with the religious proscription in the Bill of Rights, because he told them. They ratified it anyway, meaning THEY gave consent to it as well.)

In this country it is ONLY the Christians attempting this, too, pretty much. How much buddhist inspired faith-based laws have you seen attempted to be passed? Shintoist? Daoist? Wiccan? Hindi? None. It is ONLY the Christians attempting to run roughshod over all other faiths in this nation by getting laws passed specific to their beliefs, and you expect everyone who believes differently to willingly suborn their beliefs and faith just because the Christians say so? Fuck that. No, not all Christians are like that, nor indeed, are all churches. Enough ARE, however, and the ones that aren't certainly aren't vocal enough in attempting to stop the abuse.

The United States is *NOT* a Christian Nation. It is a SECULAR nation that happens to contain a significant number of Christians. You want to make a country that lives by the Christian equivalent of Sharia law, (which is what Falwell and his ilk intend) feel free, just don't attempt it in the United States. (or if it does happen here, then this country will cease to be the United States that the Founding Fathers intended, and truly will become a theocracy.)

-Arlos

What are the majority of our people? Christian.

What do other countries consider us? Christian.

You may not want us to be Christian, but the simple fact is we are. Our laws are derived from and our people are mostly.. Christian. We are not Secular. We are Democratic. We are tolerant. You confuse things in your desire to shape the country how you want

What I've seen is religious people do more than those without faith. Although since 7 out of 10 here are Christian its difficult to compare.

You pigeonhole a small group of Christians into 'all of us' and rant about it, not bothering to see the other 95%.

We will never be a Theocracy but we will remain Christian.