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Mindia wrote:

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

I hate to pull you out of your sandbox and give you a healthy dose of reality, but terrorism is more important (right now) than global warming and what's going on in Africa. I hope that Bush and other leaders focus primarily on coming up for a solution to the terrorism problem, and make global warming and "Africans with aids" a secondary issue. It's all about prioritization. You would be a piss-poor manager/leader, Rust.

And what is your base for determining what is a bigger problem? In your opinion Terrorism is a bigger problem but many feel very differently. You show your true feelings on this when you say "Africans with aids", its obvious you couldn't give 2 shits about the people there so of course you consider them a very low priority.

Martrae wrote:And you honestly think they wouldn't see that as weakness and step up their attacks?

Well if pulling out is no option, holding them at bay isn't working. Guess you would want to just kill them all and be done with it then?

Martrae wrote:And you honestly think they wouldn't see that as weakness and step up their attacks?

Be strong, even if it's the wrong decision. Sounds like a good idea to me.

No, what they've always wanted is to kill anyone and everyone who isn’t extremist Muslim.

... Uh no, they have initiated terrorist attacks because of our general presence in the middle east (oil interests), because we have put troops in places they considered important in various ways, and because we financially support israel. Most importantly, we've been having military ventures in their area for quite awhile.

The US foreign policies are what caused them to become violent.

This obviously doesn't give them a right to kill innocent people - and their response is not justified, but it's just buying into propaganda to assume that these terrorists are doing what they do solely because they "hate freedom" or because they want to kill anyone who has a different religion (which to some extent I'm sure is true, but it isn't the whole story).

If they really only wanted to kill because of religious differences, why did these problems only start awhile after the US began sticking its nose into the middle east?

I'm pretty sure if we abandoned the middle east and stopped supporting Israel, we would have no more terrorist attacks. I personally would be in favor of it, since I think the middle east is generally a barbaric culture beyond redemption, that has nothing to really offer us. But that probably won't happen because of oil interests. We really need to come up with a fuel alternative. :/

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

global warming is hippie propaganda. Scientists have proven that the earth warms and cool and has done this since the dawn of time.

On that note I'm going to go spray an entire can of Dep towards the sky.

Yamori wrote:What they've always wanted is for us to get the hell out of the middle east.

And I'd be all in favor of that.

It embarrasses me to think people in my own country believe this is the right thing to do.

We're talking about people who know nothing but kill kill kill. We back out because they threatened to do something and they will see it as us being weak. They WILL continue to do whatever it is they planned on doing with more ferocity.

MORE attacks will result, not less. Do you really think the only reason these whackos do this because we invaded Iraq?

Yamori wrote:

No, what they've always wanted is to kill anyone and everyone who isn’t extremist Muslim.

... Uh no, they have initiated terrorist attacks because of our general presence in the middle east (oil interests), because we have put troops in places they considered important in various ways, and because we financially support israel. Most importantly, we've been having military ventures in their area for quite awhile.

The US foreign policies are what caused them to become violent.

This obviously doesn't give them a right to kill innocent people - and their response is not justified, but it's just buying into propaganda to assume that these terrorists are doing what they do solely because they "hate freedom" or because they want to kill anyone who has a different religion (which to some extent I'm sure is true, but it isn't the whole story).

If they really only wanted to kill because of religious differences, why did these problems only start awhile after the US began sticking its nose into the middle east?

I'm pretty sure if we abandoned the middle east and stopped supporting Israel, we would have no more terrorist attacks. I personally would be in favor of it, since I think the middle east is generally a barbaric culture beyond redemption, that has nothing to really offer us. But that probably won't happen because of oil interests. We really need to come up with a fuel alternative. :/

i didn't know there were Oil interests back in the middle ages.

They don't care about our presence there.. they want to rule the middle east. Just like they don't give a shit about Islam. ALl they care about is power, Pure and simple.

Yam.. we would still get bombed. They hate us. Maybe one terrorist group wouldn't attack. You forget, the latin terrorist groups, the indonesian, and countless others.

And why should we attack NK clinton gave them their nukes so its our fault so leave them alone

Harrison wrote:

Yamori wrote:What they've always wanted is for us to get the hell out of the middle east.

And I'd be all in favor of that.

It embarrasses me to think people in my own country believe this is the right thing to do.

We're talking about people who know nothing but kill kill kill. We back out because they threatened to do something and they will see it as us being weak. They WILL continue to do whatever it is they planned on doing with more ferocity.

MORE attacks will result, not less. Do you really think the only reason these whackos do this because we invaded Iraq?

Looks like Genocide would be the ultimate solution. RAR Now thats a strong response.

Yamori wrote:I'm pretty sure if we abandoned the middle east and stopped supporting Israel, we would have no more terrorist attacks. I personally would be in favor of it, since I think the middle east is generally a barbaric culture beyond redemption, that has nothing to really offer us. But that probably won't happen because of oil interests. We really need to come up with a fuel alternative. :/

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I am speechless. You can't be that naive...

Gidan wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

I hate to pull you out of your sandbox and give you a healthy dose of reality, but terrorism is more important (right now) than global warming and what's going on in Africa. I hope that Bush and other leaders focus primarily on coming up for a solution to the terrorism problem, and make global warming and "Africans with aids" a secondary issue. It's all about prioritization. You would be a piss-poor manager/leader, Rust.

And what is your base for determining what is a bigger problem? In your opinion Terrorism is a bigger problem but many feel very differently. You show your true feelings on this when you say "Africans with aids", its obvious you couldn't give 2 shits about the people there so of course you consider them a very low priority.

Way to pay attention there Rainman. I said it's all about prioritization. Yes, terrorism is the bigger threat to societies all over the world right now. Other issues need to be addressed, but the main focus should be on terrorism and how to fight it. We need pussies like Chirac, Schroeder, and Putin to step up and start putting their minds together to fight terrorism. Sorry, but a terrorist is a bigger threat to my life (and yours)right now than an African with aids. Start using your brain for cryin out loud.

You guys are way off. It's not arab muslims, irish nationalists, or eco-terrorists. It's the French from Paris who are pissed off about losing the Olympics to London.

Phlegm wrote:You guys are way off. It's not arab muslims, irish nationalists, or eco-terrorists. It's the French from Paris who are pissed off about losing the Olympics to London.

HAHAHAHA that was awesome. I hope the French NEVER win the bid for hosting the Olympics.

Yamori wrote:... Uh no, they have initiated terrorist attacks because of our general presence in the middle east (oil interests), because we have put troops in places they considered important in various ways, and because we financially support israel. Most importantly, we've been having military ventures in their area for quite awhile.

The US foreign policies are what caused them to become violent.

This obviously doesn't give them a right to kill innocent people - and their response is not justified, but it's just buying into propaganda to assume that these terrorists are doing what they do solely because they "hate freedom" or because they want to kill anyone who has a different religion (which to some extent I'm sure is true, but it isn't the whole story).

If they really only wanted to kill because of religious differences, why did these problems only start awhile after the US began sticking its nose into the middle east?

I'm pretty sure if we abandoned the middle east and stopped supporting Israel, we would have no more terrorist attacks. I personally would be in favor of it, since I think the middle east is generally a barbaric culture beyond redemption, that has nothing to really offer us. But that probably won't happen because of oil interests. We really need to come up with a fuel alternative. :/

Hilarious! It's like every poorly-reasoned theory on Middle Eastern politics formulated by insular amateurs lacking any semblance of an historical perspective rolled into one post. I can't even respond point by point: there are just too many classic fallacies represented.

Mindia wrote:

Gidan wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Zanchief wrote:100$ says that all Bush does during G8 is talk about terrorism now.

Yeah because starving pygmies and global warming are much more important right now...

Well yes, poverty and global warming *are* rather obviously bigger threats to global peace than terrorism. How many people have died in Africa from starvation in the last 5 years compared to those from terrorism? Or does your God consider the lives of poor blacks in Africa as less important than those of affluent Americans, Mindia?

Nice witness for your God you are.

And Global Warming is a real threat to *billions* of people. Last year was the worst hurricane season on record, wasn't it? How much damage was caused? Might it have had something to do with climate change?

--R.

I hate to pull you out of your sandbox and give you a healthy dose of reality, but terrorism is more important (right now) than global warming and what's going on in Africa. I hope that Bush and other leaders focus primarily on coming up for a solution to the terrorism problem, and make global warming and "Africans with aids" a secondary issue. It's all about prioritization. You would be a piss-poor manager/leader, Rust.

And what is your base for determining what is a bigger problem? In your opinion Terrorism is a bigger problem but many feel very differently. You show your true feelings on this when you say "Africans with aids", its obvious you couldn't give 2 shits about the people there so of course you consider them a very low priority.

Way to pay attention there Rainman. I said it's all about prioritization. Yes, terrorism is the bigger threat to societies all over the world right now. Other issues need to be addressed, but the main focus should be on terrorism and how to fight it. We need pussies like Chirac, Schroeder, and Putin to step up and start putting their minds together to fight terrorism. Sorry, but a terrorist is a bigger threat to my life (and yours)right now than an African with aids. Start using your brain for cryin out loud.

I will disagree with you then. Global warming is still a big issue, it hasn't been proved or disproved and I assure you, if global warming is true, then it is a far bigger threat to the world then terrorism.

Poverty is also a huge world issue, and even though you may not care for those people, others do.

Gidan wrote:I will disagree with you then. Global warming is still a big issue, it hasn't been proved or disproved and I assure you, if global warming is true, then it is a far bigger threat to the world then terrorism.

There's an issue of immediacy to consider as well.

Poverty is also a huge world issue, and even though you may not care for those people, others do.

Issue does not correspond to threat.

xaoshaen wrote:

Gidan wrote:I will disagree with you then. Global warming is still a big issue, it hasn't been proved or disproved and I assure you, if global warming is true, then it is a far bigger threat to the world then terrorism.

There's an issue of immediacy to consider as well.

Poverty is also a huge world issue, and even though you may not care for those people, others do.

Issue does not correspond to threat.

Maybe if we drill this concept into Gidan's head over and over again he'll finally get it. I thought the Rote method was supposed to be effective... lol

Well some of the people in the world think terrorism is going to happen no matter how many of them you kill, no matter how many leaders you remove from power. Terrorism is an issue that isn't going to be solved, its not going to stop. Yes it is an issue that needs to be worked on to lessen it to whatever extent we possibly can. However you can not ignore everything else. There are other issues in the world other then Bushs agenda agaist terrorism and iraq.

An estimated 5.5 million people will die of starvation this year, many of them children.

but a few thousand rich white men may die form terrorism, how can we possbily worry about those 5.5 million who cant afford to have influence in this country.

Don't go off the sensational deep end here. The primary focus of the G8 will remain the same, and hopefully they'll come up with some good ideas other than just pumping money into the problem.

That said, this quote:

There's an issue of immediacy to consider as well.

sums it up nicely.

I suggest we pool all our resources together to find a way to get by without oil, then let those pricks in the Middle East suck sand and die in their own hostile environment. Without oil, that place is about as worthless as Antarctica. Then we start feeding the Africans and make them jealous.

xaoshaen wrote:

Gidan wrote:I will disagree with you then. Global warming is still a big issue, it hasn't been proved or disproved and I assure you, if global warming is true, then it is a far bigger threat to the world then terrorism.

There's an issue of immediacy to consider as well.

Your completely right, there is a issue of immediacy. If we delay, and global warming really is a major issue, it may be to late to do anything about it. The problem here is poloticians dont get money and votes by dealing with the enviorment, they get them by making the people with money happy and they are not the enviornmentalists.

labbats wrote:I suggest we pool all our resources together to find a way to get by without oil, then let those pricks in the Middle East suck sand and die in their own hostile environment. Without oil, that place is about as worthless as Antarctica. Then we start feeding the Africans and make them jealous.

too late. All those middle eastern guys are already so wealthy from oil.

labbats wrote:I suggest we pool all our resources together to find a way to get by without oil, then let those pricks in the Middle East suck sand and die in their own hostile environment. Without oil, that place is about as worthless as Antarctica. Then we start feeding the Africans and make them jealous.

HAHAHAHAHA, you think that the people with direct links to oil companys are actually going to do anything like that? They would be killing their own interests.

The leaders of this county only benefit from our dependence on oil.

We could effectively get by without oil...the problem is the money involved and the bureaucracy involved with getting such forms of energy to the table...

I also firmly believe that will stir a whole new shit-pot with the middle east when they stop making money off of oil.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't...