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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:41 am
by Alyn
Oil Companies pass on all costs to the consumer and are cleaning up in the current market. Take one look at Oil company stocks and you will see they are all way up.
The Bush Admin did not plan for Iraq to be less functional after the war than before it. They predicted Iraq Oil would pay for the whole clean up so the US taxpayers wouldn't have to.
Point is if things had gone according to the plans Bush had there would be a lot more oil coming out of Iraq. So they planned to lower oil prices they just failed to get the job done.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:43 am
by Harrison
lyion wrote:When gas prices go up, the costs to the companies rise as well and often times less oil is bought and consumed due to the increased price, so the oil companies lose money to these increases. Oil prices are set by OPEC, not Exxon.
While a nice whacko left wing stretch, what you said is simply not true.
The man in the box told me that we went to war so Bush could eat oil covered babies from Iraq.
NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:01 am
by Langston
Alyn wrote:Oil Companies pass on all costs to the consumer and are cleaning up in the current market. Take one look at Oil company stocks and you will see they are all way up.
The Bush Admin did not plan for Iraq to be less functional after the war than before it. They predicted Iraq Oil would pay for the whole clean up so the US taxpayers wouldn't have to.
Point is if things had gone according to the plans Bush had there would be a lot more oil coming out of Iraq. So they planned to lower oil prices they just failed to get the job done.
OPEC sets the price for oil... not the oil companies, not George Bush, and not Iraq.
Really - the ignorance and conspiracy theories just need to stop... it's getting ridiculous.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:03 am
by Zanchief
Langston wrote:Alyn wrote:Oil Companies pass on all costs to the consumer and are cleaning up in the current market. Take one look at Oil company stocks and you will see they are all way up.
The Bush Admin did not plan for Iraq to be less functional after the war than before it. They predicted Iraq Oil would pay for the whole clean up so the US taxpayers wouldn't have to.
Point is if things had gone according to the plans Bush had there would be a lot more oil coming out of Iraq. So they planned to lower oil prices they just failed to get the job done.
OPEC sets the price for oil... not the oil companies, not George Bush, and not Iraq.
Really - the ignorance and conspiracy theories just need to stop... it's getting ridiculous.
I believe it, only because it's more plausible than all other reasons. Iraq is a direct threat to the US? Please. Now who's reaching?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:15 am
by Harrison
Zanchief wrote:Langston wrote:Alyn wrote:Oil Companies pass on all costs to the consumer and are cleaning up in the current market. Take one look at Oil company stocks and you will see they are all way up.
The Bush Admin did not plan for Iraq to be less functional after the war than before it. They predicted Iraq Oil would pay for the whole clean up so the US taxpayers wouldn't have to.
Point is if things had gone according to the plans Bush had there would be a lot more oil coming out of Iraq. So they planned to lower oil prices they just failed to get the job done.
OPEC sets the price for oil... not the oil companies, not George Bush, and not Iraq.
Really - the ignorance and conspiracy theories just need to stop... it's getting ridiculous.
I believe it, only because it's more plausible than all other reasons. Iraq is a direct threat to the US? Please. Now who's reaching?
Direct how?
Like....hiring for an assassination attempt?
http://hnn.us/articles/1000.html
Like....that?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:31 am
by Zanchief
Harrison wrote:Zanchief wrote:Langston wrote:Alyn wrote:Oil Companies pass on all costs to the consumer and are cleaning up in the current market. Take one look at Oil company stocks and you will see they are all way up.
The Bush Admin did not plan for Iraq to be less functional after the war than before it. They predicted Iraq Oil would pay for the whole clean up so the US taxpayers wouldn't have to.
Point is if things had gone according to the plans Bush had there would be a lot more oil coming out of Iraq. So they planned to lower oil prices they just failed to get the job done.
OPEC sets the price for oil... not the oil companies, not George Bush, and not Iraq.
Really - the ignorance and conspiracy theories just need to stop... it's getting ridiculous.
I believe it, only because it's more plausible than all other reasons. Iraq is a direct threat to the US? Please. Now who's reaching?
Direct how?
Like....hiring for an assassination attempt?
http://hnn.us/articles/1000.htmlLike....that?
My apples, please meet Finawin’s oranges.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:44 am
by Harrison
Yes, assassination attempts are so very indirect threats to our country.
Apples indeed...
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:47 am
by Zanchief
Lets break it down, whoretits.
It was an assassination.
It failed.
It was in Kuwait.
I'd be worried.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:54 am
by Gidan
Harrison wrote:Yes, assassination attempts are so very indirect threats to our country.
Apples indeed...
An assassination attempt on the president in 1993 shows a threat to the US in 2005 how?
Hell Japan invaded us in 1941, can we goto war with them, they must be a threat to our country.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:05 am
by Langston
Stability within the Middle East is a national interest to the United States. I don't think anyone ever believed that Saddam Hussein was going to load a rowboat full of his Republican Guard and invade Washington.
You guys are so acutely myoptic.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:06 am
by xaoshaen
Iraq didn't violate the terms of the cease fire established at the end of the Gulf War.
Iraq didn't open fire on American servicemembers.
Increased oil prices drive demand even higher, allowing the oil companies to "pass on all costs to the consumer" and "clean up".
There are five lights!
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:09 am
by The Kizzy
If we get our oil from the same place, and it is distributed throughout America, why are prices different depending on where you go?
Texas-$2.20
Ohio-$2.50
California-$3.00
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:10 am
by xaoshaen
Kizzy wrote:If we get our oil from the same place, and it is distributed throughout America, why are prices different depending on where you go?
Texas-$2.20
Ohio-$2.50
California-$3.00
Taxes and transportation costs.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:11 am
by Gidan
Langston wrote:Stability within the Middle East is a national interest to the United States. I don't think anyone ever believed that Saddam Hussein was going to load a rowboat full of his Republican Guard and invade Washington.
You guys are so acutely myoptic.
There is a huge difference between
Stability within the Middle East is a national interest to the United States.
and
Iraq posses a direct threat to the United States
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:12 am
by The Kizzy
I can remember as a kid my Dad getting pissed off when gas hit 80 cents a gallon.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:12 am
by Langston
xaoshaen wrote:Iraq didn't violate the terms of the cease fire established at the end of the Gulf War.
Iraq didn't open fire on American servicemembers.
Increased oil prices drive demand even higher, allowing the oil companies to "pass on all costs to the consumer" and "clean up".
There are five lights!
You conveniently left out their refusal to submit to UN inspections - which IS part of the terms of their surrender in the first Gulf War.
Stop trying to make it out that Iraq is innocent... it's foolish to even attempt to portray them as such.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:14 am
by Martrae
Media Research Center wrote:In fact, adjusted for inflation -- which is the only way to accurately measure any cost trend -- to match the record price of 1980, gas would have to exceed $2.97 a gallon and a barrel of oil would need to go over $90.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:21 am
by Gidan
Martrae wrote:Media Research Center wrote:In fact, adjusted for inflation -- which is the only way to accurately measure any cost trend -- to match the record price of 1980, gas would have to exceed $2.97 a gallon and a barrel of oil would need to go over $90.
How does that have anythign to do with a drasic increase in gas and oil prices over the last say 1 year?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:23 am
by Langston
Gidan wrote:Langston wrote:Stability within the Middle East is a national interest to the United States. I don't think anyone ever believed that Saddam Hussein was going to load a rowboat full of his Republican Guard and invade Washington.
You guys are so acutely myoptic.
There is a huge difference between
Stability within the Middle East is a national interest to the United States.
and
Iraq posses a direct threat to the United States
No, there's not. By endangering a "national interest" of the United States, you have posed a direct threat to the United States. Something doesn't get qualified as a "national interest" because it's cute and furry or tastes good with ketchup. It's a "national interest" because it's been established that, whatever it is, it's important to the well-being and stability of our country.
You are so hell-bent on villainizing the administration that you can't see the forest for all the trees. It's sad, really. Mindless hate is consumptive and you're displaying that trait right now. Open your mind to something OTHER than your hatred and maybe you'll begin to see the larger picture.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:23 am
by Martrae
Nothing.
It was a comment on the 'record prices' the news media has been blasting in your ears.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:27 am
by Rust
Langston wrote:xaoshaen wrote:Iraq didn't violate the terms of the cease fire established at the end of the Gulf War.
Iraq didn't open fire on American servicemembers.
Increased oil prices drive demand even higher, allowing the oil companies to "pass on all costs to the consumer" and "clean up".
There are five lights!
You conveniently left out their refusal to submit to UN inspections - which IS part of the terms of their surrender in the first Gulf War.
Stop trying to make it out that Iraq is innocent... it's foolish to even attempt to portray them as such.
You mean the inspections that found no WMD? Those 'refused' inspections?
So now that they've got control of Iraq, Bush has let the UN inspectors back right? And they're found the WMD that Iraq denied having?
--R.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:28 am
by Harrison
It's impossible to move inanimate objects.
Life's engine doesn't allow such things. It's in beta right now.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:29 am
by Zanchief
Langston wrote:You conveniently left out their refusal to submit to UN inspections - which IS part of the terms of their surrender in the first Gulf War.
Damn them for defying the UN...
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:30 am
by Gidan
Rust wrote:Langston wrote:xaoshaen wrote:Iraq didn't violate the terms of the cease fire established at the end of the Gulf War.
Iraq didn't open fire on American servicemembers.
Increased oil prices drive demand even higher, allowing the oil companies to "pass on all costs to the consumer" and "clean up".
There are five lights!
You conveniently left out their refusal to submit to UN inspections - which IS part of the terms of their surrender in the first Gulf War.
Stop trying to make it out that Iraq is innocent... it's foolish to even attempt to portray them as such.
You mean the inspections that found no WMD? Those 'refused' inspections?
So now that they've got control of Iraq, Bush has let the UN inspectors back right? And they're found the WMD that Iraq denied having?
--R.
SHHHH thats a secret. Remember that was the reason the war started WMD's. Oh wait, what was the reason again? The white house keeps changing their minds as to why we started war.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:31 am
by Harrison
Regardless if they were moved, never existed (...you're worthless to even begin proving wrong here if you try to say this), destroyed as agreed upon, or in the process of being made...
Refusing UN inspections was a breach of the agreement. GROUNDS FOR MILITARY ACTION.
Now if the UN wasn't a corrupt piece of shit...this would have been done much sooner and not by the U.S. solely.(solely used loosely, obviously there is the coalition)