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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:59 am
by Zanchief
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Harris Foul? Maybe, but it was called on Dirk.
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Dirk Foul? Maybe, but let's see how Dirks vicious push effects Wade.
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Wow, he really gets hammered!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:03 pm
by vonkaar
I will agree with Mark Cuban...
Bill Simmons is my hero:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/060620
That article is my new gospel.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:09 pm
by xKALECx
Excellent article. I hate the current state of the NBA. As a former high school and collegiate level player, I can hardly stomach to watch the NBA.
In all honesty I was initially pulling for the Miami Heat, but with the utter disgrace of officiating towards Dallas, I have had a change of heart. If Miami wins this, I just may forget about the existence of the NBA all together.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:19 pm
by xKALECx
After reading through this thread again, I laugh at some of the comments.
In a nutshell, the commissoner is trying to "straighten" up the NBA. Ever since the battle royale in the stands last season, the image of the NBA has been tarnished. Ever since the exodus of MJ, the popularity of the NBA has declined. So how do they fix it?
Tougher calls. More use of technicals. (example of Shaq/Stackhouse here) More playing of the one-man than the team. This style of calling completely caters to the one man style such as displayed by Miami. Give the ball to Wade. Watch him work. If a star is pushing and pulling to open up shots, let him. It brings excitement. If a team is running complex plays and setting hard picks/screens to open up varying players to involve a whole team, then more whistles are being blown as more players are creating contact. It totally fucks a team such as Dallas.
I loved the one-man era of the NBA. Give the bird to MJ, Bird, Johnson, etc.... It was a pleasure to watch. Team play can sometimes be boring to watch to the casual fan, and only respected by the knowledgable one. But when it comes down to championships, the best team should win. Thats not a question. I've never been much of a Mav's fan, but to say they are not the best team is just an utter lie. They play incredible TEAM ball. But I don't see how they can excell with the new type of officiating.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:05 pm
by Arlos
Heat win game 6, clinch the championship.
-Arlos
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:08 pm
by Narrock
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:32 pm
by vonkaar
I wonder if Wade will continue to have the 'breathe on me and you'll pick up a foul' aura about him throughout his whole career, or just the finals.
shrug
it's not worth complaining about really... every losing team always complains about various things and now I know what they feel like... but I also see how much change happens as a result, so... no sense wasting my breath.
wasn't a bad first year for a brand new team... a great start for Avery... making it over our biggest hump, the Spurs... that was huge... making it to the finals and beating the fuck out of them in the first two games (the only two games without the huge foul disparity, thx refs)... it was a good run.
We'll see how the draft goes next week, and then see what happens in free agency. Dallas 'has' to move a few pieces around and the West is going to open up on several other fronts... should be a great year since once again, there is no clear-cut power-team in either conference.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:42 pm
by Arlos
With my admittedly rather limited knowledge of the NBA, I'd think the Suns are one of the teams to beat out West, now that they're going to get Amare back for a full season, yes? They came damn close to makign a real run at it THIS year, and they didn't have him.
-Arlos
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:59 pm
by Tacks
Boo fucking hoo, Nowitski that unkempt caveman-looking crybaby can suck a dick. Go kick some more shit around, you little bitch, maybe someone will pay attention to you then. Maybe if you could shoot better than 30% from the field you wouldn't have to blame your loss on a bad call. Fuck Dallas and their cowboy fans in their gay asses, you too Cuban, here's a fucking box of tissues for you and Dirk to cry over the next year.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:06 pm
by vonkaar
meh
the exact same story... seriously, the similarities are spooky... the saaaame thing happened to Sacramento 3 years ago. They were the run and gun, play no defense, outscore and outrun your opponent team, led by a clutch-shooting, fast-as-hell point-guard (bibby) just like Nash. Peja provided KILLER outside shots, just like 90% of Phoenix. They had an athletic, sticky 1on1 defensive forward/guard in Christie (Marion) and a solid bench with 6th man of the year Bobby Jackson (Bell). The biggest thing, however, was Chris Webber... 5 time all-star, 3time all-NBA 2nd team (behind KG and TD) forward... explosive, hard rebounder, KILLER post game (although, I must have yelled TRAVELING!! at the TV a thousand times.. fucking stutter steps), great shot-blocker and generally a good team defender. The young Chris Webber was a force.
But then.. against Dallas in the 03 playoffs, he bangs his knee and goes down... hard. Dallas wins and Webb needs microfracture surgery. The exact same surgery as Amare... as Jason Kidd... as Allan Houston... Timmy Hardaway... Zach Randolph... Kenyon Martin... Now, Kidd is really the only player of the bunch that ever came back to at least 80% of his former self, but he had the smallest surgery. Amare blew out BOTH knees, just like Hardaway and Houston. Those are the two WORST examples. Those guys went from all-stars to "let's name a player-dumping trade-clause after Allan Houston" worthless. It's a rough surgery and basically NOBODY successfully comes back from it, especially in basketball.
The similarities don't stop there... Webber tried to work his ass off during the season, even though Sacramento was kicking ass WITHOUT him. Peja was playing at MVP levels even. People were knocking DIRK off the 'best European player' platform because Peja was THAT good. Bibby and the newly acquired Brad Miller were clicking on all cylinders... life was good in Sac-Town. But then Webber announced that he was healed... and he tried to come back earlier than the doctors wanted. Bad idea. Just like Amare, his return had negative impact on the team's chemistry and the Kings started losing with Webb back. He even reinjured his knee, just like Amare...
the short of it is... the odds are against Stoudamire... not only because of the surgery... not only because of the history of players who have undergone the same procedure... but he's playing in the fastest and most "knee-demanding" system in the league. Perhaps Jason Kidd 'semi-successfully' came back from the microfracture surgery because he played in one of the slowest. Amare won't get that luxury. He has to keep up with Nash, or slow his whole team down. They just learned this year that Boris Diaw makes an excellent, highly mobile - FAST center. A good replacement for the powerful alley-oop machine that they had in Amare the year before. Would they want to slow things down for Amare if he can't keep up?
Shrug...
I guess time will tell...
I still say San Antonio and Dallas are the obvious power teams in the West next year. Neither really needs to improve, that's the scary thing. That series was such a chess match it was mindblowing.
In the East... who cares? This finals was a sham... the NBA has their superstar league again... the East is chock full of those teams. Any number of them could make a run based on their shitty rosters and single 'great' players. Seriously, I don't give a fuck.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:34 am
by Jay
Tacks wrote:Boo fucking hoo, Nowitski that unkempt caveman-looking crybaby can suck a dick. Go kick some more shit around, you little bitch, maybe someone will pay attention to you then. Maybe if you could shoot better than 30% from the field you wouldn't have to blame your loss on a bad call. Fuck Dallas and their cowboy fans in their gay asses, you too Cuban, here's a fucking box of tissues for you and Dirk to cry over the next year.
WB
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:24 am
by Zanchief
My favourite boner call was with about 17 seconds left I think, Wade runs into Dirk with his forearm and Dirk gets called for the foul.
Like, WTF. I honestly think Wade himself was slightly embarrassed after that. You can kinda see it in his demeanour. He's much too competitive to accept winning by cheating.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:54 pm
by Arlos
Interesting article on ESPN on the controversies with the finals.
Mark Cuban reminds me of Ron Artest.
You fall in love with his passion, energy and versatility, but you realize his mental instability very well could wreck your entire organization.
As commissioner David Stern contemplates how to deal with the "Cuban Whistle Crisis," a predicament that could totally undermine the public perception progress the NBA enjoyed this season, the commish would be wise to consult his Artest playbook.
Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Whinericks, won't be fined into sanity. Bitching about officiating and paying a couple of million dollars a year for that right is nothing more than a simple, tax-deductible business expense for the league's best blogger.
Nope. It's going to take a prolonged, arena-banning suspension to end the "Cuban Whistle Crisis," a nickname coined by Washington Post columnist Mike Wise.
Stern should begin with a symbolic 13-day suspension of Cuban to start the 2006-07 season, then go with a season-long ban if Cuban acts up again.
Cuban's behavior and the conduct of Dallas coach Avery Johnson and superstar Dirk Nowitzki during the just-completed NBA Finals warrant far more drastic action than the $250,000 fine Stern leveled on Cuban before Game 6.
Not only did the "Cuban Whistle Crisis" overshadow the unveiling of Dwyane Wade as the league's most embraceable megastar since Jordan, but its fallout foreshadows a potential Artest-like eruption in the stands. Maybe you missed the American Airlines Center public-address announcer admonishing Mavericks fans not to throw objects on the court. Maybe you turned off your TV before witnessing Mavericks fans drown out with boos Stern's championship trophy presentation to the Heat. Cuban, Johnson, Nowitzki and the co-signing Dallas media turned Game 6 into a Rodney King-verdict powder keg. Mavs fans were convinced they had irrefutable video evidence of officiating crimes of the highest order. The paranoia of Dallas' out-of-control owner caused the normally classy and high-road-driving Johnson to lose his composure and melt into a world-class crybaby. Johnson's crying gave Nowitzki the out he needed to avoid eye contact with a mirror and instead kick chairs and exercise bikes rather than fourth-quarter ass.
You think Cuban's antics haven't planted the seeds of discontent that could blossom into a nutty Mavs fan going after a referee or sparking an in-arena melee?
Artest didn't hop into the stands without warning. When you heard that an NBA player ran into the stands and set off a riot, you were not surprised at all when you learned it was Ron Artest. You never suspected Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Shaq, Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton or Kevin Garnett. The list of candidates was very short, and Artest was always the No. 1 suspect.
If an NBA ref gets attacked on the court or hit with an object, you won't be surprised when the story has a Dallas dateline. Cuban has created the environment. His complaints about officiating have some merit. There's a kernel of truth in every extremist's argument. A planted bloody glove might win an acquittal, but it doesn't clear a conscience. The fact that NBA refs are inconsistent doesn't justify the "Cuban Whistle Crisis." Stern isn't out to get Cuban. Stern is nowhere near that small or stupid. Cuban, the Mavericks and Nowitzki are three of the best things to happen to Stern's league in the past five years.
It would've been far better for the league had Nowitzki -- one of Stern's white, foreign imports -- won the title and shown the kind of heart and determination Wade displayed. Stern didn't want Nowitzki to choke at the free-throw line, dish to Erick Dampier in the clutch and refuse to drive anywhere near Shaq and the lane in the final minutes. Had Nowitzki gone to the hole as relentlessly as Wade, he would've received the same bogus calls as Wade. Refs can't help rewarding superstars for being aggressive. Beyond the "Cuban Whistle Crisis," Stern must crack down on Cuban because he's sabotaging the message about professionalism the league has been preaching to its players. You think Allen Iverson isn't sitting at home taking notes on Cuban thugged-out in his Mavs jersey sitting behind the bench and acting a fool? Cuban is as big an NBA star as all but a handful of players. He represents the league. But he can dress how he wants, drop F-bombs on refs, taunt fans, charge onto the court and question the integrity of the league pretty much without fear of significant reprisal. Meanwhile, Iverson needs to wear a sport coat on the bench and report to work on time on fan appreciation night. If you had to guess, what do you think Allen and his homies have to say about this bit of hypocrisy? Just take a guess. It's time for Stern to censure Cuban and back it with a suspension -- a ban from arenas. A ban during the Finals would've been a mistake. Cuban would've been viewed as a martyr.
Now Stern can call Cuban and Johnson into the commissioner's office and explain in detail why the NBA can't tolerate Dallas' continued whining. It's unhealthy for the league. If not stopped, the "Cuban Whistle Crisis" will escalate and turn into a Crimson Tide.
-Arlos
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:06 am
by Eziekial
Cuban Whistle Crisis. That's cute.