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Narrock wrote:Drinking a liquid from an animal seems very gross to me. If I have milk, it's always soy milk.

Donnel wrote:

Narrock wrote:Drinking a liquid from an animal seems very gross to me. If I have milk, it's always soy milk.

Hrm, who's gonna take the honors on this one?

Narrock wrote:
It's true man. Drinking man-milk from a cowboy seems very umm umm good to me, imo.

Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products, while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and act as like a hormonal drug.

FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy

"there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover, there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy consumption in human infants and adults."

Claims, Benefits: A "natural" way to replenish the aging body's declining estrogen levels and thus relieve menopausal symptoms, such as hot flashes, as well as decrease the risk of heart disease and osteoporosis, without promoting breast cancer.

Martrae wrote:I'd argue semantics..but for the most part you're right.

When I was young cooking in lard was common. My grandmothers did it all the time. Then came the 'oh noes, lard is bad, butter is bad, mmkay'. So margarine became common.

Quite honestly, when people ate butter and cooked with lard there was less of a weight problem. It's the overrefining of natural substances that's bad. Processed packaged ready to go crap with absolutely no redeeming qualities except it's quick, that's the main weight culprit nowadays, IMO .

Snero wrote:soy milk has been shown to cause problems too

soy and thyroid

Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products, while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and act as like a hormonal drug.

FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy

"there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover, there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy consumption in human infants and adults."

soy and breast cancer/estrogen

Claims, Benefits: A "natural" way to replenish the aging body's declining estrogen levels and thus relieve menopausal symptoms, such as hot flashes, as well as decrease the risk of heart disease and osteoporosis, without promoting breast cancer.

Like pretty much anything, this isn't saying soy is bad, or will cause any health problems, but it does increase the risk, and people with existing thyroid problems should be very careful

Dylan wrote:I would like some milk from the milk mans wife's tits

Dylan wrote:Nothing wrong with getting some good milk though.

Also, its a song.

Snero wrote:soy milk has been shown to cause problems too

soy and thyroid

Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products, while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and act as like a hormonal drug.

FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy

"there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover, there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy consumption in human infants and adults."

soy and breast cancer/estrogen

Claims, Benefits: A "natural" way to replenish the aging body's declining estrogen levels and thus relieve menopausal symptoms, such as hot flashes, as well as decrease the risk of heart disease and osteoporosis, without promoting breast cancer.

Like pretty much anything, this isn't saying soy is bad, or will cause any health problems, but it does increase the risk, and people with existing thyroid problems should be very careful

Jay wrote:Depends. Are you asian?

Zanchief wrote:

Dylan wrote:Nothing wrong with getting some good milk though.

Also, its a song.

Oh, I'm a little slow with that kinda stuff.