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I think more than one person does not agree with your point of view, the way you sink to personal attacks and do't read what is posted in front of you makes you what Mindia used to be...Maybe if we start a poll asking to ban you for a while you will come back and be cool again.

You start the poll, lets see how far it gets.

Gaazy wrote:Am I going to hell because I picture and really stoned 2 and 5 year old and spewed coke all over the keyboard?

If so I'll be there with ya. :P

Gyps is prolly the only person here who thinks they wont be with us.

ClakarEQ wrote:It was an issue of one to one, a cig vs a joint.

Assumptions made on my part,
Standard Filtered cig
"normal" zigzag joint

I'm not sure if you smoke or not but if you do, try this out for size.

Take a tissue, place it in your mouth, then insert a cig, take a drag
Take same tissue but in a new area, place it in your mouth, then insert a joint, take a drag.

What area is "darker"?

Similar test:
Take a drag of a cig, exhale drag through a tissue
Take a drag of a joint, exhale drag through a tissue

What area is darker?

How many joints versus how many cigs do regular/heavy users use a day?

Hint: it's about one versus twenty+.

I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure this makes the "toxins" comparison pretty meaningless.

lil dawgies just wanted 2 get irie

spazz wrote:Gyps is prolly the only person here who thinks they wont be with us.

What? Honestly, where was I rude here to warrant your little random snide comment?

I never said I have a problem with pot, do you honestly not see why it would be wrong to hand a toddler a joint and have them smoke it? Do you honestly not think it's abusive?

Of course it's abusive. Ginz is simply making the argument that it's being blown out of proportion. Yes, it's terrible. No, it's not as bad as child molestation or smoking cigs aorund kids.

People smoke cigs around kids all the time. Do you see law inforcement doing anything about that? Do you see laws against it? No, you don't. Yet second hand smoke is far more detrimental to your health than smoking a couple puffs from a blunt.

I still think this is fucked up. These teenagers should most definately be punished. Give them community service. Give them a fine to pay off. Don't throw them in prison though.

make an example out of the puff daddy.

Markarado wrote:Of course it's abusive. Ginz is simply making the argument that it's being blown out of proportion. Yes, it's terrible. No, it's not as bad as child molestation or smoking cigs aorund kids.

People smoke cigs around kids all the time. Do you see law inforcement doing anything about that? Do you see laws against it? No, you don't. Yet second hand smoke is far more detrimental to your health than smoking a couple puffs from a blunt.

I still think this is fucked up. These teenagers should most definately be punished. Give them community service. Give them a fine to pay off. Don't throw them in prison though.

My response was to Spazz, actually.

I know people smoke cigs around kids all the time - as I said before, if a parent handed a toddler a cigarette and had them smoke it, that would be just as bad as this, imo. Secondhand smoke isn't comparable I don't think. If they just smoked it in the same room as the kids, sure, little slap on the wrist - they deliberately handed it to the kids and had them smoke it. It's intentional inebriation of children, not a speeding ticket.

I hardly think that qualifies as abusive. Juvanile and stupid yea. Theres kids out there who really are abused and sayin that being handed a joint is abuse kind of shames what abuse really means. As to my snide comment to you sweetheart you allways come across to me as high and mighty, every other thread talkin about how your above such and such behaviors. Yea while the rest of us sit in hell thinking this isnt a biggy im sure your halo will shine brightly. You dont have to be talking directly to me for me to observe you being foolish.

Secondhand smoke isn't comparable I don't think. If they just smoked it in the same room as the kids, sure.

Where do you think they're going to smoke? Kids live in the same house with their parents and drive in the same cars. They are going to be subjected to second hand smoke.

Im sure some bullshit about responsible parents and smoking outside is coming.

spazz wrote:I hardly think that qualifies as abusive. Juvanile and stupid yea. Theres kids out there who really are abused and sayin that being handed a joint is abuse kind of shames what abuse really means. As to my snide comment to you sweetheart you allways come across to me as high and mighty, every other thread talkin about how your above such and such behaviors. Yea while the rest of us sit in hell thinking this isnt a biggy im sure your halo will shine brightly. You dont have to be talking directly to me for me to observe you being foolish.

So you're saying giving a 2 year old a blunt isn't abusive?

Wow.

That's a two year old. A baby, ya know.

As for second hand smoke around kids, it's a shame, but fortunately we can't completely insulate kids from stupid parents.

I don't think I'm above everyone by any means, but yes, I will say that I'm above someone who gives a 2 year old drugs. That doesn't mean I think I'm perfect or better than everyone, in fact I'd challenge you to find anything I've said that has me saying I'm above anyone or talking down to someone unprovoked - disagreeing with someone does not mean that I believe myself to be better. I make mistakes just like everyone else, if not more - but you'd certainly never see me subjecting an innocent child to a substance, legal or not, that alters their brain function at that time.

I don't agree with parents who smoke around their children, either - I'd like to show me where I said that. Ginz, you're taking me completely out of context - secondhand smoke isn't comparable in this case just as smoking pot *AROUND* your kids wouldn't be comparable. Let me quote myself in context -

I know people smoke cigs around kids all the time - as I said before, if a parent handed a toddler a cigarette and had them smoke it, that would be just as bad as this, imo. Secondhand smoke isn't comparable I don't think. If they just smoked it [the pot, this is NOT referring to cigarettes]in the same room as the kids, sure, little slap on the wrist - they deliberately handed it to the kids and had them smoke it. It's intentional inebriation of children, not a speeding ticket.

Tell me something - would letting a 2 year old drink a beer out of a sippy cup be more appalling to you?

No comment from me that says responsible parents smoke outside is coming - smoking outside doesn't get rid of what radiates off of you afterward - you will never see me defending a parent who smokes around their kid, but I'd certainly rather my kid be taken care of by a smoker than someone who's going to make them smoke pot.

There are all sorts of types of abuse, Spazz. You don't have to strike a child to be abusive.

Handing a kid a blunt is definately abusive as we don't have any conclusive studies as to what marijuana actually does to the human brain.

I guarantee you that when I have kids I will never smoke around them. I will go outside when I smoke. I won't smoke in the car even when my kids aren't with me. Hopefully.... I just quit when I find out I'm having a kid... I don't see why I wouldn't. That would definately be the motivation I need to quit.

Its 2 teenagers who did something retarded its not FUCKING CHILD ABUSE. Im not saying its ok but i am saying this is a major overreaction. Id bet the child has no lasting damage from this terrible tragedy. A lot of teenagers smoke weed and grow up just fine I highly doubt a little bit of weed is going to fry the kid for life. Ive got a great idea. Lets put a whole family through the ringer becuase of some adolecent foolishness.

I have to agree with Spazz. The teenagers need to be disciplined. Mabye even punished by the government. Throwing them in prison and labeling this as child-abuse would be an over reaction. It is abuse in the way that the kids are taking advantage of the toddlers innocence/ignorance... I wouldn't say it should be labeled as child-abuse though.

I'd still like you to entertain the question if you'd be okay with them giving a child liquor, please~

Its like when your a high on and get the dog or cat stoned ( a lot of you will lie and say youve never done this). Its not really an ok thing to do but its funney at the time. Im sure they really didnt mean any harm.

Mabye even punished by the government.

I disagree. We do that way to much in this country and its turned us into a nanny state. Let the family handle it.

A shot to laugh at the kid for makin the whiskey face or enough for alchohol poisening ? Im not ok with it but it doesnt even twitch my tragedy meter unless some serious harm comes of it. I dont think we should lock people up or run families through the system just becuase someone acts like a jackass here and there.No harm No foul.

In the middle, spazz - enough to get them drunk, not enough to poison them, but more than enough to make the face. not something like rubbing it on their gums to make the pain of the teething go away, enough to make them stumbling drunk.

Well I think a lot of things. Does this happen all the time or rarely/one time. Whos giving it out? I think if the answer is the parents and not olderbrothersistercousin whatever than we might have a more serious issue. Is it a huge 4th of july bar B Q or a schoolnight? I think the situation really depends on how serious it should be taken boo. Unless its a parent doing it all the time than i dont think its anything to really get worked up about. Were going to have to agree to disagree i guess. Im not going to agree that giving a kid a lil firewater or some scotia is child abuse.

Let's say same situation - it's the kids aunt/uncle and it's apparent that it happens often because the kid clearly knows how to throw it back. School night is irrelevant due to the fact that it's a toddler and isn't old enough to go to school. Maybe it's not the parent, but the parent is in the house when it happens and its apparent that the family member spends a lot of time with the kid.

Same circumstances - is it just a juvenile mistake or is it blatant disregard for the child's safety?

Well first let me start by saying I think there are a lot of places with no drinking age. What if its an ethnic family and its whine is that still abuse ?With your situation f it happens often you as the parent ( not the fuckin pigs) have a sit down and talk it out.If the parent doesnt care and it happens all the time you could have a bit of a problem at wich point an outside source might have the right to call in cops. I still say for the most part no harm no foul.I think the situation should speak for itself. I also think booze to pot is a whole nother arguement too.