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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:50 am
by Tossica
The reason broadcast HD TV looks so good is because of the colors used and the overall brightness of the source material. They force more green in to the broadcast to make the grass stand out in football games, etc.

Movies in HD are a different story. Depending on the master used, the type of compression, etc used, the quality of the picture from release to release can vary greatly. Some of them look fanfuckingtastic like 300 while others don't look much better than a standard res DVD. Depending on how good your upconversion is on your DVD player, you can get a great picture out of your standard DVD's but again, it all depends on the transfer, the quality of your DVD player and TV.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:59 am
by Harrison
Ginzburgh wrote:As soon as they can cram that much information into a download that takes only a few minutes, sure.


Asshole telecoms won't fucking upgrade their networks to that capacity because it costs them money. The technology is there but, they're too fucking greedy to implement it widespread.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:08 pm
by Lyion
No, this isn't true. The capacity is already mostly there.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:12 pm
by Harrison
Then why does half the country have ass for connections unless you pay your respective service provider for a "premium" connection. It's the same fucking connection but they remove a cap on you.

Just google "broadband monopoly" or any variation of that. I'm sure you already knew most of it but, it's bullshit.

Internet access should be included free with whatever cable/satelite/phone access you have already.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:17 pm
by Tossica
Here is a good article on the current state of the high def "WAR"
WAR

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:26 pm
by Tikker
Harrison wrote:
Ginzburgh wrote:As soon as they can cram that much information into a download that takes only a few minutes, sure.


Asshole telecoms won't fucking upgrade their networks to that capacity because it costs them money. The technology is there but, they're too fucking greedy to implement it widespread.


you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about

for some reason, I'm not shocked at all!

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:27 pm
by Lyion
Tossica wrote:Here is a good article on the current state of the high def "WAR"
WAR


It nicely hides this little gem, which is the real reason for Paramounts decision.

Paramount reps said that the determining factor in their decision was the lower price of the HD DVD players. But it was subsequently revealed that Toshiba paid Paramount and DreamWorks $150 million for the company's support.


This is also solely an 18 month agreement. Afterwards, Paramount will go back to doing both, I'd guess. They previously supported Blu Ray before Toshiba handed them a check.

The Bluray supporters have never been on HD, and won't ever.

It's interesting to see Toshiba and MS writing checks to try and compete. Deja Vous!

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:33 pm
by Tossica
lyion wrote:
Tossica wrote:Here is a good article on the current state of the high def "WAR"
WAR


It nicely hides this little gem, which is the real reason for Paramounts decision.

Paramount reps said that the determining factor in their decision was the lower price of the HD DVD players. But it was subsequently revealed that Toshiba paid Paramount and DreamWorks $150 million for the company's support.


This is also solely an 18 month agreement. Afterwards, Paramount will go back to doing both, I'd guess. They previously supported Blu Ray before Toshiba handed them a check.

The Bluray supporters have never been on HD, and won't ever.

It's interesting to see Toshiba and MS writing checks to try and compete. Deja Vous!



The 18 month $150m buyoff has been proven to be nothing but BD bullshit. There is no 18 month contract and there was no $150m "Check" written to anyone. I don't doubt Toshiba made it worth Paramounts while to support HD through free promotion, subsidized disk manufacturing etc but it's no different than what Sony has been doing to keep Fox and Disney happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:39 pm
by Lyion
Multiple sites are reporting the 150 Million, so it seems legit. I have no doubt Sony is also greasing palms to win this war. It's a huge market to win.

I personally am glad I don't own an HD player, it's looking grim for it, even with the backroom big buck deals


http://www.halflifesource.com/site/news ... le9396.htm

Blu-Ray dominates HD DVD in August sales

Posted Sep 3, 2007 PM ET

Blu-Ray continues to outsell HD DVD movies during the month of August.

Sales of Sony Corporation's Blu-Ray movies outsold Toshiba's HD DVD format. Of the top 10 HD movies sold as of August 5th, all ten relied on the Blu-Ray format, including titles that were considered cross-platform launches, such as the chart's first-place movie 300.

While the figures counted sales of the multi-format movies towards the overall figure, some titles would have been excluded from the list altogether without their Blu-Ray statistics, such as Babel. Most instances in which viewers had the choice of either format gave Blu-Ray the greater share of sales.

The study was conducted just weeks before Paramount declared that it would support HD DVD alone for future releases. The company's alterior motivations were later exposed as it was discovered that an HD DVD promotional group had paid $150 million to the studio to prevent the majority of its titles from releasing via Blu-Ray.

HD DVD's supporters have tried to counter already disappointing sales through bundling free movies and reducing the costs of playback devices, particularly Toshiba's $300 HD-A3 series of dedicated movie players.


If you want more serious, then let's go NY Times

Paramount, part of Viacom, and the publicly held DreamWorks Animation said they would exclusively back the HD DVD format for the release of high-definition movies on disc. Among the movies the studios plan to release in the format are “Transformers” and “Shrek the Third.”

Until now, Paramount has released titles in both HD DVD and a competing format, Blu-ray. DreamWorks Animation has not released a movie in either.

The battle over the competing high-definition DVD technologies has sputtered in recent months as Blu-ray discs have emerged as the front-runner. Blu-ray titles are sharply outselling HD offerings, major retailers like Target are stocking only Blu-ray players, and Blockbuster recently said it would carry Blu-ray exclusively.

Last week, the Walt Disney Company said it would release one of its best-known animated movies, “Sleeping Beauty,” on Blu-ray. “There is no longer any doubt that Blu-ray is the clear successor to standard DVDs,” said Bob Chapek, president of Disney’s home entertainment unit.

But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

The incentives will come in a combination of cash and promotional guarantees. Toshiba, for instance, will use the release of “Shrek the Third” as part of an HD DVD marketing campaign.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:49 pm
by Zanchief
The biggest blunder MS did was not bundle the HD player with the standard XBOX.

You'd see the sales neck and neck I bet if everyone who had an X-Box had an HD player.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:53 pm
by Tossica
Did you even read the fucking article Lyion?

You just quoted 2 posts worth of bullshit spin that means jack shit in the long term battle. Sony would love everyone to think that the "war" was already over months ago but the truth is, it's not and the longer HD-DVD hangs on, the harder it's going to be for Sony to land the killing blow it needs to push it's format to the masses. Sony has already claimed twice now to be the "winner". The Paramount news was a HUGE blow to Sony and it's not suprising all the negative press that popped up right after it to try to spin it.


None of the sales figures mean shit when you are selling less than 1% of your market goal.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:59 pm
by Tossica
For the record, MS doesn't give a shit who wins because their codec is the one being used to make the best transfers to HD.

The Blu-Ray drive is killing the PS3 and the PS3 alone cannot sustain the format. Sony is fucked. How long can they continue to lose $200+ per player when the attach rate is slightly more than 1 BR movie per PS3 sold?

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:09 pm
by Harrison
Tossica wrote:None of the sales figures mean shit when you are selling less than 1% of your market goal.


L O L

"Numbers and facts don't support your argument if I can bring in an unrelated and most-likely falsified statistic of my own."

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:27 pm
by Tossica
There have been less than 4 million HD disks sold TOTAL between both formats since they were both introduced almost 2 years ago. Big DVD releases sell that many in a few days. Anyone showing sales figures and saying that Blu-Ray is "dominating" or "the war is over" is full of shit. Sony has something like 7X as many Blu-Ray players in people homes yet they can hardly maintain a 2-1 ratio on huge hits like 300. People aren't buying either format like the manufacturers had hoped but Toshiba has a better long term strategy and isn't going anywhere any time soon.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:53 pm
by Tikker
Zanchief wrote:The biggest blunder MS did was not bundle the HD player with the standard XBOX.



I agree

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:55 pm
by Tossica
Zanchief wrote:The biggest blunder MS did was not bundle the HD player with the standard XBOX.

You'd see the sales neck and neck I bet if everyone who had an X-Box had an HD player.



I figured this was a joke, no?

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:58 pm
by Zanchief
How do they expect to out sell Sony when Sony's giving the player away. People aren't paying for the external player.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:44 pm
by Ouchyfish
Zanchief wrote:How do they expect to out sell Sony when Sony's giving the player away. People aren't paying for the external player.


Not to mention MS's defiance about using their HD player for games as well as movies.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:43 am
by Tossica
If they had included the HD player with the 360, the console would have hit the market at the same price the PS3 is and have been doomed. Also, there were no movies available when the 360 was released so who would have bought it? MS won't use the HD drive for games because like 5% of 360 owners have the HD drive so what's the point? Like I've said several times before, consoles are not going to decide who wins the "war", stand alone players will. Whoever hits the $99 mark with a mass produced, readily available stand alone player will win the war and Toshiba is on mark to do that within a year.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:05 am
by Harrison
So do you just suck off Toshiba for no reason, or do you own stock?

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:37 am
by Tossica
What the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Get a job you bum.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:43 am
by Lyion
Tossica wrote:If they had included the HD player with the 360, the console would have hit the market at the same price the PS3 is and have been doomed. Also, there were no movies available when the 360 was released so who would have bought it? MS won't use the HD drive for games because like 5% of 360 owners have the HD drive so what's the point? Like I've said several times before, consoles are not going to decide who wins the "war", stand alone players will. Whoever hits the $99 mark with a mass produced, readily available stand alone player will win the war and Toshiba is on mark to do that within a year.


Also as you noted MS is more worried about winning the console war, then the HD one. Thats Toshiba's fight against Sony. MS has it's own console one, likewise against Sony.

Another question is do we really need a format winner? It'd be nice if both formats found a niche, although seeing how companies are lining up and releasing in only one, it's not going to help broaden the HD market.

I actually see downloadable content as the solution once the infrastructure is setup a la Google to provide the services.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:00 am
by Tossica
MS has put most of their focus on downloadable HD content and could care less who wins the "war" as long as the winner continues to use their codec. MS has all of the "exclusive" studios releasing material in HD on their LIVE service so it's win win for them.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:05 am
by Zanchief
Tossica wrote:Whoever hits the $99 mark with a mass produced, readily available stand alone player will win the war and Toshiba is on mark to do that within a year.


Yes but why would anyone pay 99$ for a player when they already have a PS3. People are just buying PS3s because it plays Blu-Ray and they can play some crappy games on it too.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:26 am
by Tossica
How many people do you know with a PS3? How many people do you know with a DVD player? How many people do you know that will probably buy a new DVD player in the next year? How many of those people would probably buy a $99 DVD player that plays HD-DVD's as well? Even if they don't already have an HD TV, the $99 price point is cheap enough to make them consider buying one instead of a standard DVD player. With the release of more combo SD/HD disks and cheap players, Toshiba is poised to bring HD content to the masses. Sales figures for the last year mean nothing in the long term because the market is still so small. Once Joe Blow gets it in his head that he wants an HD player to go with his new TV, that's when we'll start seeing valid sales info. The PS3 owners, HD-DVD add on and the handful of standalone early adopters are no indication of what is to come.