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ClakarEQ wrote:I also do not agree that supply and demand "control" the market, supply and demand is just one component of the market. Money controls the market more IMO and if you have enough of it, you can make your own demand, then control the supply to maximize your profit. You can see this in all types of industry.

Yeah people thought like that in the beginning. That supply creates demand. 'Say's law' or whatever. But that doesn't work at all. Because demands for goods obviously drop during economic slumps. That obviously leads to people losing jobs. And unemployment in labor markets encourages a business to cut more corners to stay on its feet. So instead of prices adjusting for equilibrium you have prices adjusting to quantity availability and that leaves a lot of chance for recession etc

I wasn't trying to imply that supply and demand can't make or break a market / industry, we are seeing something like that now but I view this more as fear than supply vs demand.

I also wasn't saying that supply creates demand, I was saying that money creates demand and that is what the engine requires to run, not demand, but money.

You don't start or buy anything without cash and without that supply and demand mean very little.

I was also saying that a lot of money, can create demand, in terms of rich companies putting smaller companines in the same industry out of business. Or even rich companies completely killing demand and intentionally not making it possible (like the electirc car, or any number of pharma. companies). This would allow a company to 'rig' the market and we see that all the time as well (ala MS, Apple, intel, many tech companies use these techniques).

I see what you're saying though too

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i think its funny how he talks a bout creating 'green' jobs with this windmill and solar crap. Kind of a double edged sword if you actually stop to think about it. Getting away from coal or whatever to make say, 20 jobs at a solar factory, then shuts down a coal mine that employs a few hundred people. Ive even heard them say it before, all that we can produce THIS much energy with and create 50 jobs for the area! Its all automated! Creating jobs should not be the goal of all this green talk. Because there will be tens of thousands out of a job in states like mine, Illinois, Indiana, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and Kentucky. So unless they decide to wake up and let the coal industry coexist with the other upcoming sources of energy by putting more money into the clean coal technology and helping the power plants implement it, the whole creating green jobs argument is stupid. You are just trading new jobs, by getting rid of others. Doesnt make any sense.

If they want to create jobs, the first thing they should do is start with GIVING US OUR FUCKING JOBS BACK, that are being outsourced by the thousands and thousands, to the japs, towelheads, and quickie mart indians overseas. Giving Americans the godamn jobs they once had back would be a wonderful start.

And all this talk of monopolies makes me laugh too. Isnt that the point of business? To beat the competition? I know I sure as hell arent trying to coexist and help my competitors out and letting them have work that I could do or something. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Its business. Business means make money. Best way to make money = shutting down the competition. Even though in some cases it could give us no other options but to buy from a certain company (like Microsoft for example) and maybe cost us more money, its still stupid to me when people bitch about it. To me, a monopoly just means its either a board game, or a company that has made some godamn good business decisions and made it to the top, and is staying at the top. Hell, if im lucky, maybe someday my company can be a fuckig monopoly, that would be fucking awesome. You dont get to that point being unsuccessful.

Arlos wrote:Lueyen, you need to look at current poll numbers for what people are referring to as far as popularity goes. He's running at something like an 80% approval rate right now; even a plurality of Republicans is giving him good marks at the moment.

-Arlos

We'll see how it goes when he actually starts getting something done. If you recall Bush was once at a 90 percent approval rating as our country rolled up it's sleeves to deal with another crisis. Part of the reason Republicans are giving him good marks, is his recent efforts gravitating toward centrism. I have to say if he does indeed govern more as a centrists then his voting record, campaign promises and past stances would suggest I'll be pleasantly surprised. This however would be the most difficult thing for him to achieve and I seriously doubt it's going to last.

must say i already like his moves towards keeping lobbyists away from the white house

agree. Apparently he has banned his staffers from leaving and becoming a lobbyist,also. unless i heard that wrong.

Evermore wrote:

Narrock wrote:is costing taxpayers approximately $170 million. What an asshole. Great move Barry... especially in this economy. It's just a sign of things to come. Really... what a complete asshat.

you have to be the dumbest fuck on the planet. You bitch about 170 mil. You should be THANKFUL that we are getting rid of the 11.7 TRILLION dollar presidential total failure.

Wake up or shut up already

You really are retarded, Evermore. Go away.

Tossica wrote:

Narrock wrote:Oh, and Barry's inauguration speech was completely laughable, and devoid of any awe-inspiring commentary. It was also funny listening to him fumble on the oaf, I mean oath, of office with Chief Justice Roberts. Oh, and let's not forget the disastrous attempt by Urethra Franklin to sing anymore. She landed more flat notes and couldn't even reach the necessary octave to complete the song satisfactorily.

Chief Justice fucked it up and "Barry" gave him the "are you sure about that?" look so the Justice corrected himself. Go watch it again.

YOU watch it again. Barry was the first one who fucked it up. The second sentence had too many words in it to remember for Barry. Roberts fucked up after that.

He says, "I will execute..." and paused as his mind went blank. I know you'd like to blame it all on Roberts, Tossica, but here's a link for you to watch over and over again until it sinks into your walnut-sized brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I7EXTIL ... =1&index=3

Gaazy wrote:Yeah sorry dude I hate the guy too, but when you start nitpicking about stupid shit like him stuttering or almost making a mistake (I didnt see it, didnt care to, dont care to, so im going on whats been said here), either way is pretty stupid, and going after the singer is even dumber when your talking about the presidential inauguration, its not the MTV superbowl halftime show

I don't have time to respond to every retard here, but the singing part of Urethra Franklin was just something else I noticed about the debacle-of-an-inauguration, and it was worth mentioning.

Narrock wrote:

Tossica wrote:

Narrock wrote:Oh, and Barry's inauguration speech was completely laughable, and devoid of any awe-inspiring commentary. It was also funny listening to him fumble on the oaf, I mean oath, of office with Chief Justice Roberts. Oh, and let's not forget the disastrous attempt by Urethra Franklin to sing anymore. She landed more flat notes and couldn't even reach the necessary octave to complete the song satisfactorily.

Chief Justice fucked it up and "Barry" gave him the "are you sure about that?" look so the Justice corrected himself. Go watch it again.

YOU watch it again. Barry was the first one who fucked it up. The second sentence had too many words in it to remember for Barry. Roberts fucked up after that.

He says, "I will execute..." and paused as his mind went blank. I know you'd like to blame it all on Roberts, Tossica, but here's a link for you to watch over and over again until it sinks into your walnut-sized brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I7EXTIL ... =1&index=3

Roberts fucked up delivering the line dipshit. Obama didn't want to repeat it back as it was said to him BECAUSE IT WAS WRONG.

Narrock wrote:

Evermore wrote:

Narrock wrote:is costing taxpayers approximately $170 million. What an asshole. Great move Barry... especially in this economy. It's just a sign of things to come. Really... what a complete asshat.

you have to be the dumbest fuck on the planet. You bitch about 170 mil. You should be THANKFUL that we are getting rid of the 11.7 TRILLION dollar presidential total failure.

Wake up or shut up already

You really are retarded, Evermore. Go away.

yes you are the dumbest fuck on the planet. its sad that you spend what little time you have between passing out rim jobs to the republican party to come here and prove just how deep your stupidity is. Vonk is right. You really dont have anything to say or even a point to make. I think you love attention no matter what kind you get. you cant even make a intelligent retort. How pathetic are you? Really?

political discussions make me want to light mindia on fire ;\

hahaha that made me laugh

ya man a few months ago i started posting about how mindia doesn't have any opinions of his own. i'm glad vonk and others are seeing the light now, too :p

yeah, but I made a clever analogy. that's the kicker

truth

everyone should do what i do and just put him on ignore

garbage threads like this become confusing, but on a whole the NT experience is much more enjoyable in the same way that ice cream is much more enjoyable than feces with chunks of broken glass in it

No, it wasnt worth mentioning, but whatever Mindia. Your just searching for whatever you can find to pick about and its kind of desperate

brinstar wrote:everyone should do what i do and just put him on ignore

garbage threads like this become confusing, but on a whole the NT experience is much more enjoyable in the same way that ice cream is much more enjoyable than feces with chunks of broken glass in it

Did it a while ago, then I took him back off because it was entertaining in the way watching the Special Olympics is.

Drem wrote:hahaha that made me laugh

ya man a few months ago i started posting about how mindia doesn't have any opinions of his own. i'm glad vonk and others are seeing the light now, too :p

ha, well, we've all always known that, but it never ceases to amaze me that he just continues the inane idiocies that he does after he's proven wrong infinite times. it's always entertaining to respond, because then he just starts tripping over himself with "LOL you're retarded" because he can't say anything else.

he's a good guy outside of the political arena.

Mindia cracks me up. He's really totally not like this lol.

I wish I could see a number on how many jobs it would recreate if he would make companies stop putting all these jobs overseas. Give our Americans our fucking jobs BACK assholes. It makes me sick to think how many american people are starving and cant make a paycheck, because their job was given overseas to some cheaper, quickie mart guy in India. I still say thats where they should start, rather than trying to create NEW jobs here, recreate the OLD damn jobs.

Gaazy wrote:I wish I could see a number on how many jobs it would recreate if he would make companies stop putting all these jobs overseas. Give our Americans our fucking jobs BACK assholes. It makes me sick to think how many american people are starving and cant make a paycheck, because their job was given overseas to some cheaper, quickie mart guy in India. I still say thats where they should start, rather than trying to create NEW jobs here, recreate the OLD damn jobs.

Illegalize outsourcing?

actually if you study outsourcing you'll find that most facilities are cleaner than their american-based contemporaries and the quality of the working environment is generally better in most ways. there are weird third world sweatshops, no doubt, but not that many. that's just what they tell you about in the news. the companies like wal-mart that ignore codes of conduct and whatnot

it's a good thing for some reasons, having to do with resources, but generally i agree that the jobs should stay here on our soil

I don't think anyone cares if some fuck overseas has it better than they do. It's a ridiculous practice and it shouldn't be allowed.