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Lyion wrote:In Sharia based Islamic countries there is no homosexuality. Its completely taboo.

Explain to me the multiple gay couples I saw at the malls in Riyadh then? Effeminate men, holding hands. Yes, Saudi Arabia. Home of Mecca.

Those weren't effeminate men... those were just butt-ugly women.

A handful of homosexual experiences as a youngster is going to leave more of an impression than 10 years of watching The Waltons.[/quote]

Cool idea then, stop being a bigot and accept them. Love the gays till they die out because they need your resentment to survive!

LYION IS MAKING PEOPLE GAY BY HATING ON THEM.

This is the way I see it. There are a lot of people who would much rather be straight then gay. These people are miserable their whole lives because people(Lyion) think they can just chose not to act a certain way. Maybe the government should tell them how to act. What a great idea, supposed libertarian Lyion.

Is it genetic? Is it behavioral? Does it matter? The end result is they are or they aren't, and it's usually not that gray.

Congrats on providing no rationale debate here above a third grade level.

Your posts usually aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel like many other posters. It must be Hockey withdrawals or something.

I think it would be better to just line them up and ask them a question:

"Do you enjoy having another man's penis in any orifice of your body?"

If they answer affirmatively, we pop them in the oven. Problem solved! No one is asking to be married any more... no one is having problems with gays... it just... goes.... away....

Oh - gay women are exempt from this, though... unless they're dykes. Then they go in the oven, too. Hot gay women can stay, though.

I, personally, think homosexuality is gross... However, I honestly feel we have more important issues to worry about right now.

I wish the American people would wake up and worry/vote on their economic future and not their sense of morality. There's a time and place for everything. Right now our focus should be on jobs, taxes, education, and the destruction of the middle class not whether Bob and Bob should get married.

We have our priorities wrong, and we're going to end up paying for it dearly.

Exactly Diekan. Priorities are so ridiculous. Instead of working on a real problem, lets waste our energy making sure gay people arent getting married. Its absurd. You also bring up another good point. Its perfectly ok for you to think its gross. Yet you also recognize that that isnt that important to determining its legality, and how important it is in the grand scheme of things.

Our economy is turning to shit. But that's boring. Gay men having sex is GROSS. Let's wage a war!

mofish wrote:

Lyion wrote:In Sharia based Islamic countries there is no homosexuality. Its completely taboo.

Explain to me the multiple gay couples I saw at the malls in Riyadh then? Effeminate men, holding hands. Yes, Saudi Arabia. Home of Mecca.

Homosexuality is illegal under Sharia Law. When I was in Saudi they executed gays. I'd say that's a bit of a deterrent, wouldnt you?

Men hold hands in the middle east, and kiss. It is not necessarily a sign of homosexuality. Here's an article from Sunday that disagrees with your point of view

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Mar13.html

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia executed two men on Sunday who beat to death a Pakistani to stop him exposing their "shameful" homosexual relationship, the Interior Ministry said.

It said Ahmed al-Enezi and Shahir al-Roubli, both Saudis, ran over Malik Khan in their car, beat him on the head with stones and set fire to his corpse "fearing they would be exposed after the victim witnessed them in a shameful situation."

Homosexuality is a criminal offence in Saudi Arabia, a deeply conservative Muslim kingdom which implements a strict version of Sharia Islamic law. Convicted murderers, rapists and drug traffickers are usually executed in public.

The ministry said the two men were executed in the northern town of Arar, close to the border with Iraq.

Saudi Arabia has put to death at least 21 people so far this year. At least 35 people were executed last year and 53 in 2003.

OK, so homosexuality does exist there. Its just persecuted. Do these men choose to be put to death? Why would someone choose that in a country like Saudi Arabia? Maybe it wasnt a choice, hmm? Maybe it was an urge, an impulse?

And I couldve sworn I saw two couples in those malls. Im telling you, effiminate to the core. Maybe cause it was Riyadh. Riyadh might be a bit more tolerant and secular.

Zanchief wrote:

Lyion wrote:Congrats on providing no rationale debate here above a third grade level.

Your posts usually aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel like many other posters. It must be Hockey withdrawals or something.

So you think people who are gay would be happy pretending otherwise Lyion?

Do you think it's the place of the government to tell people who they are aloud to love?

You are king of libertarians, or as I have said all along, a fucking liar.

Go ahead and ignore me again, I'm still right.

Apparently it is up until it becomes socially acceptable and then it's not ok.

I have a friend who meet a gay girl and fucked her straight. I wish there was a more eloquent way of stating that but it's pretty much hits the nail on the head so to speak. I will investigate and report more info when I get it.

Eziekial wrote:I have a friend who meet a gay girl and fucked her straight. I wish there was a more eloquent way of stating that but it's pretty much hits the nail on the head so to speak. I will investigate and report more info when I get it.

thats why i say lesbians are a tad different than gay guys.

mofish wrote:OK, so homosexuality does exist there. Its just persecuted. Do these men cho
And I couldve sworn I saw two couples in those malls. Im telling you, effiminate to the core. Maybe cause it was Riyadh. Riyadh might be a bit more tolerant and secular.

I have a Macedonian friend here who swears Arabs are all fags. Turns out Arab men just like to hold hands and kiss each other in public. Man I hate Arabs.

Who ever made you a mod should be killed.

In Ancient times, women were for breeding and men were for pleasure in the Arab Worlds.

A society that looks so condescendingly down upon women and makes them pure objects has to condition more types of male bonding in my mind.

And there it is acceptable, therefore we can come to the conclusion that environment causes psychological and physiological changes in the early development of a person.

As I said before, it is a case of both. I would put a genetic predisposition lower on the list of causes. High on the list of causes would be upbringing, society, and experiences. Those don't MAKE you gay, but they do lead to a person deveoping a sense of acceptance of different hormones and pherimones. That's what it all comes down to, how you respond to the chemicals of another person.

Lyion wrote:A society that looks so condescendingly down upon women and makes them pure objects has to condition more types of male bonding in my mind.

And that behavior isn't conducive to homosexuality?

It's very conducive to homosexuality, I believe, which is ironic because that's the exact opposite of what the mullah's want.

Don't try to apply logic to this... Arabs are fucked up.

As anyone who has witnessed the Bahraini police beating the shit out of a drunk Arab in his mercedes with a prostitute can attest.

It is a bit of a hypocritical culture, wouldn't you say Scoota?

I’m rather reluctant to assigning a “genetic predisposition” label to the cause of homosexuality. Why? Because we don’t truly know enough about the human genome to be absolutely sure. Secondly, by doing such we would be opening the door to a plethora of “excuses” for a society that already lacks the drive to take responsibility for anything.

Commit a crime? It’s ok – it’s because of genetics – you were born with the genetic destiny of becoming a criminal, thus you can’t really be held responsible. If we can determine that the behavior of homosexuality is genetic – then why stop there?

I can’t intelligently pose an answer to the question of whether or not being gay is a matter of one’s genomic constitution. Simply, because no one really knows for absolute certainty. I am, however, more apt to believe that it’s more of “cross wiring” of the brain (to put it crudely) that’s re-enforced through certain social influences.

Regardless, of what some may think. Being “gay” is NOT normal. It IS unnatural. Sexuality didn’t evolve as matter of pleasure. It’s a necessity of reproduction. The orgasm is a reward for that reproduction – an evolutionary device provided to ensure that we seek to reproduce, thus continuing and growing the population.

BUT, despite my beliefs and the facts listed, that in no way means we should target homosexuals for hate. In no way does that give one free run to harm, slander, torment, or mistreat anyone who might be gay. Live and let live.

I don’t think sexual preference should be used to define a group of people as a “minority.” I choose to sleep with Latin women more so than any other ethnic group (my sexual preference is Latina), does this put me in a “minority?” Does being obese put you in a minority group? For a country that’s supposed to be embracing diversity and celebrating equality for all, we sure do spend a lot of energy and time dividing each other up into separate groups.

To answer the question (as a matter of opinion):

- No I don’t “believe” it’s genetic.
- Yes, I think it’s unnatural.
- No, I don’t think “gays” should be treated any different than anyone else.
- Yes, I think this country has more important things to worry about.

-ok going back to listening to Greg Kihn's "Jeopardy" awsome 80's tune.

Diekan wrote:- No I don’t “believe” it’s genetic.
- Yes, I think it’s unnatural.
- No, I don’t think “gays” should be treated any different than anyone else.
- Yes, I think this country has more important things to worry about.

BOOM!

Yeah, I agree - for a union of 'equality' we sure do divide everyone into a lot of groups. Let's see what groups I fit in.

01) I am "white"*
02) I am a male
03) I am between 25 and 30
04) I am a High School graduate
05) I am a college student
06) I make between 50 and 60k a year
07) I am not married
08) I am a home-owner
09) I am heterosexual
10) I am a pet owner
11) I am not fluently bi-linguel
12) I am a Sagetarius



* I am "white", to the extent of having SOME european/scandinavian heritage, despite my noticable Native American heritage.

Congratz, you're a white, 20-something pet-owner. What's your point? Not all "groupings" are done so with evil, sinister purpose.

I think it's a learned behavior by means of the "habitat" the person is growing up in. I think that if you grow up in a homosexual environment then the chances of you becoming homosexual are considerable. But you could also be raised in a heterosexual environment and maybe something happened. This is just what i think don't take it personally please.