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[Gidan]

As much as I would like to think of this country as secular we are not. We are a democracy and when the majority are Christian, we as a country become christian. We are howver tolerant of other religions as Lyion said. We may be mostly Christian but we will not hold it against you if you are not (in theory). There are always people on every side who will but as a whole we do not.

[Arlos]

If this country is a "Christian" nation, then that is directly against the wishes and intent of the Founding Fathers, and anyone who attempts to further or perpetuate such a state obviously spits upon the Constitution. If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, fine, but don't call yourself an American.

-Arlos

[Ganzo]

If this country is a "Christian" nation, then that is directly against the wishes and intent of the Founding Fathers, and anyone who attempts to further or perpetuate such a state obviously spits upon the Constitution. If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, fine, but don't call yourself an American.

-Arlos

Quote where in constitution it states that

[Narrock]

If this country is a "Christian" nation, then that is directly against the wishes and intent of the Founding Fathers, and anyone who attempts to further or perpetuate such a state obviously spits upon the Constitution. If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, fine, but don't call yourself an American.

-Arlos

Quote where in constitution it states that

In the Arlos'd version he created in his mind.

[Zanchief]

My point was about Religious apathy, which is exactly what the world needs.

I respect all religions and all peoples views on life. I'm tolerant of peoples choices. But this board is all about conflict and its no coincidence that you think "the other side" are the ones slinging dirt and being intolerant, where as I think you and Martrae and Ganzo and Finawin and Mindia...etc have proved yourself to be FAR more intolerant of people views. Everytime someone manages to refute an argument you go nuts with the personal attacks (Rust).

We aren't the ones causing all the trouble here, Lyion. Stop pretending were the problem.

[Narrock]

Zanchief stated:

I'm tolerant of peoples choices

Tell me how this is a good thing. Explain to me how being tolerant of people's choices is going to help maintain any semblance of a solid and respectable values system. It's attitudes like yours why there is so much disease and filth and moral decay in societies all over the world. You still don't get it. We have to draw a line in the sand as a society to establish a set of moral standards, and anyone who crosses that line needs to be held accountable for their actions, and they need to be corrected. There is no other way around it. To be tolerant of all the lunacy out there is just absolute ignorance. Christian values are pretty strong imo, and are an excellent moral guideline to follow. Jewish values are also pretty strong. All the smut, filth, and disgustingness prevalant in today's society can be attributed to deism. That is why I feel so strongly that deistic values are not acceptable, and are a petridish of chaos and disorderly conduct.

Oh, let the immature flameage begin...

[Zanchief]

Explain disease, filth and moral decay? Be specific, I'm really curious.

[Lyion]

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, Second President.

"God heals and the doctor takes the fee." -Benjamin Franklin

[Ganzo]

My point was about Religious apathy, which is exactly what the world needs.

I respect all religions and all peoples views on life. I'm tolerant of peoples choices. But this board is all about conflict and its no coincidence that you think "the other side" are the ones slinging dirt and being intolerant, where as I think you and Martrae and Ganzo and Finawin and Mindia...etc have proved yourself to be FAR more intolerant of people views. Everytime someone manages to refute an argument you go nuts with the personal attacks (Rust).

We aren't the ones causing all the trouble here, Lyion. Stop pretending were the problem.

show me example of me being intolerant of atheism

[Lyion]

I respect all religions and all peoples views on life. I'm tolerant of peoples choices.

The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

Damn respectfully skippy.

[Drem]

stalin was not an atheist. stalin was expelled from general orthodox priesthood school as a kid and converted to orthodox marxism which he made a couple of changes to

[Zanchief]

The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

Damn respectfully skippy.

That's not a condemntation of peoples choices but a statement of my opinion.

I respect your choice to be a christian, I don't agree with it, and think the world would be better off if people didn't care so much.

Respect =! Agreement.

[Narrock]

The sooner organized religion and all this faux moral bullshit is flushed down the shitter, the better.

He's actually right.

Damn respectfully skippy.

That's not a condemntation of peoples choices but a statement of my opinion.

I respect your choice to be a christian, I don't agree with it, and think the world would be better off if people didn't care so much.

Respect =! Agreement.

I think the world would be better off if everybody was Christian :P

[Zanchief]

Explain disease, filth and moral decay? Be specific, I'm really curious.

[Yamori]

Stalin and Pol Pot did not kill in the name of Atheism, they killed in the name of Communism (which is the most evil school of thought in existence, imo). That blood is on the hands of left wing politics and authoritarianism, not godlessness.

Atheism has no moral standard inherent in it. You can arguably develop any sort of a moral view (benevolent, malicious, neutral) and justify it using Atheism. I personally think that god has nothing to do with morality, and my moral views would be the same whether I believed or not.

As far as moral standards go, I agree there need to be firm standards in order to have an effective society. However all moral standards must have REASON and LOGIC as their basis in order to be effective and truly respectable... and Christian standards do not deliver in this regard. Christian standards are not based on reality, they are based on the reasoning of "God Said So." If you can't properly articulate exactly WHY something is immoral, you are going to promote immorality as a reaction - as morality will be perceived as an arbitrary construct. I think the rampant nihilism today is a direct result of people becoming aware that "morality" (christian morality) is so baseless.


EDIT: I also think it is wrong to respect a religion if you find it ideologically appalling (like I do Christianity and Islam). I think it is bad to force yourself to respect an idea if it goes against everything you believe is right.

PEOPLE, however, deserve basic respect and dignity (as long as they do not violate others' rights), no matter what ideas they may have.

[Narrock]

Explain disease, filth and moral decay? Be specific, I'm really curious.

You support gay rights and gay marriage right? You also support "pro-choice" right? Yeah, who cares that 15 year old are having sex... they can just get an abortion. You also support legalization of marijuana because it's not a "dangerous drug" right? You enjoy the notion of, "If it feels good... do it" don't you? Who do you think is spreading aids? That's right. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies. You've supported the legalization of marijuana if I remember correctly. Marijuana is a dangerous drug, and it also impairs driving and decision making. You support the right to do whatever it is you'd like to, whether or not it's bad for you, or for other people. These are all deistic "values." Not much value to those "values" when you really break them down for what they are, eh?

Did you really need to ask me that silly question?

And also, those are the kinds of things about western culture that the extremist Muslims despise and why they want to kill us... not because of George W. Bush ousting Saddam.

[Narrock]

Stalin and Pol Pot did not kill in the name of Atheism, they killed in the name of Communism (which is the most evil school of thought in existence, imo). That blood is on the hands of left wing politics and authoritarianism, not godlessness.

Atheism has no moral standard inherent in it. You can arguably develop any sort of a moral view (benevolent, malicious, neutral) and justify it using Atheism. I personally think that god has nothing to do with morality, and my moral views would be the same whether I believed or not.

As far as moral standards go, I agree there need to be firm standards in order to have an effective society. However all moral standards must have REASON and LOGIC as their basis in order to be effective and truly respectable... and Christian standards do not deliver in this regard. Christian standards are not based on reality, they are based on the reasoning of "God Said So." If you can't properly articulate exactly WHY something is immoral, you are going to promote immorality as a reaction - as morality will be perceived as an arbitrary construct. I think the rampant nihilism today is a direct result of people becoming aware that "morality" (christian morality) is so baseless.

Atheists and leftists don't think that deeply. At least not the ones I've met don't. They just don't like responsibility, and accountability. They want to do whatever the hell they want with no rules to go by. To me, they are like overgrown children who've never grown out of that childlike state of thought.

[Zanchief]

PEOPLE, however, deserve basic respect and dignity (as long as they do not violate others' rights), no matter what ideas they may have.

Pretty much how I feel.

Respect other people and you won't do shit you wouldn't wat done to you, or you know they wouldn't like.

I didn't learn that from religion, I learned that from myself.

[Zanchief]

Atheists and leftists don't think that deeply. At least not the ones I've met don't. They just don't like responsibility, and accountability. They want to do whatever the hell they want with no rules to go by. To me, they are like overgrown children who've never grown out of that childlike state of thought.

So who is it that's disrespectful, Lyion? I'll stick with the liberals if it's all the same with you.

[Narrock]

PEOPLE, however, deserve basic respect and dignity (as long as they do not violate others' rights), no matter what ideas they may have.

Pretty much how I feel.

Respect other people and you won't do shit you wouldn't wat done to you, or you know they wouldn't like.

I didn't learn that from religion, I learned that from myself.

People deserve basic respect and dignity no matter what ideas they may have? Does that ring true for gangster rappers who rap about cop-killas to their young impressionable listeners?

[Narrock]

Atheists and leftists don't think that deeply. At least not the ones I've met don't. They just don't like responsibility, and accountability. They want to do whatever the hell they want with no rules to go by. To me, they are like overgrown children who've never grown out of that childlike state of thought.

So who is it that's disrespectful, Lyion? I'll stick with the liberals if it's all the same with you.

I wasn't being disrespectful. That's the reality of it.

[Gidan]

Explain disease, filth and moral decay? Be specific, I'm really curious.

You support gay rights and gay marriage right? You also support "pro-choice" right? Yeah, who cares that 15 year old are having sex... they can just get an abortion. You also support legalization of marijuana because it's not a "dangerous drug" right? You enjoy the notion of, "If it feels good... do it" don't you? Who do you think is spreading aids? That's right. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies. You've supported the legalization of marijuana if I remember correctly. Marijuana is a dangerous drug, and it also impairs driving and decision making. You support the right to do whatever it is you'd like to, whether or not it's bad for you, or for other people. These are all deistic "values." Not much value to those "values" when you really break them down for what they are, eh?

Did you really need to ask me that silly question?

And also, those are the kinds of things about western culture that the extremist Muslims despise and why they want to kill us... not because of George W. Bush ousting Saddam.

Supporting gay rights and gay marrage is not disease, filth or moral decay just because your faith tells you not to do them. Yes 15 year olds are having sex. You know what 15 year on christians are having sex. Does that make christians bad? Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies do spread aids, so do heterosexuals.

Many people support things that are bad for you. I dont know a single person who does nothing that is bad for them.

Marijuana is a dangerous drug, and it also impairs driving and decision making.

So is achohol, I do beleive many churches drink wine as part of their service.

[Yamori]

People deserve basic respect and dignity no matter what ideas they may have? Does that ring true for gangster rappers who rap about cop-killas to their young impressionable listeners?

They deserve a BASIC respect and dignity, yes. Meaning, they should not be jailed, they should not be censored, and should not be beaten when they walk down the street because of their ideas.

Would I want to be within 50 feet of one of those morons? No. Do I find them to be distusting and pathetic excuses for human beings? Yep. Should parents not allow their young children to buy their CDs? They probably shouldn't.

[Narrock]

Explain disease, filth and moral decay? Be specific, I'm really curious.

You support gay rights and gay marriage right? You also support "pro-choice" right? Yeah, who cares that 15 year old are having sex... they can just get an abortion. You also support legalization of marijuana because it's not a "dangerous drug" right? You enjoy the notion of, "If it feels good... do it" don't you? Who do you think is spreading aids? That's right. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies. You've supported the legalization of marijuana if I remember correctly. Marijuana is a dangerous drug, and it also impairs driving and decision making. You support the right to do whatever it is you'd like to, whether or not it's bad for you, or for other people. These are all deistic "values." Not much value to those "values" when you really break them down for what they are, eh?

Did you really need to ask me that silly question?

And also, those are the kinds of things about western culture that the extremist Muslims despise and why they want to kill us... not because of George W. Bush ousting Saddam.

Supporting gay rights and gay marrage is not disease, filth or moral decay just because your faith tells you not to do them. Yes 15 year olds are having sex. You know what 15 year on christians are having sex. Does that make christians bad? Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies do spread aids, so do heterosexuals.

Many people support things that are bad for you. I dont know a single person who does nothing that is bad for them.

Marijuana is a dangerous drug, and it also impairs driving and decision making.

So is achohol, I do beleive many churches drink wine as part of their service.

Sorry Gidan, you present a weak argument in this instance. You cannot convince anybody of sound mind, and of prudent judgement ability, that deistic values even come close to Christian values. Not even close.

[Zanchief]

You support gay rights and gay marriage right?

+1 point.

You also support "pro-choice" right? Yeah, who cares that 15 year old are having sex... they can just get an abortion.

-1 point.

Although I don't see how abortion is making 15 year olds have sex.

You also support legalization of marijuana because it's not a "dangerous drug" right? You enjoy the notion of, "If it feels good... do it" don't you?

+1 point

Although you lose the point because, although I support legalization of marijuana I don't use it, nor do I "enjoy the notion of if it feels good do it".

I have my own moral barometer which I hold myself to very strictly. It's important to ME. I don't do things for someone else whom I'm told died for my sins years ago. I do em for myself.

Who do you think is spreading aids? That's right. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and junkies.

Woe woe woe right there spinach chin.

Because a disease is more readily transmitted from two gay men(not lesbian women for the record) that means it's a moral issue?

You support the right to do whatever it is you'd like to, whether or not it's bad for you, or for other people. These are all deistic "values." Not much value to those "values" when you really break them down for what they are, eh?

No, I don't support people TELLING other people what they can or can't do. Especially if it's really arbitrary and not in the least bit conducive to a strong society. Big difference.

Did you really need to ask me that silly question?

No, I could have gotten all of this stuff from any other conservative I talk to. You all sound pretty much the same. But now I can get all these really keen quotes~

And also, those are the kinds of things about western culture that the extremist Muslims despise and why they want to kill us... not because of George W. Bush ousting Saddam.

I actually agree with this to some degree, and have mentioned it before but you fail to realize that if someone doesn't look on you too favorable and then you blowup their sisters house and kill her entire house, they aren't gonna be all that forgiving. Hate like that can make you do horrible things. Especially if do it in the name of God.