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I have to say, nobody gives a rats ass about my Engineering *or* my Medical Biophysics degree at this point in my career, other than to note I have them.

If the M.A. gets Mindia a better job/more cash/hawt sex/whatever, go for it. I will agree that some distance learning schools might have more prestige than others, I always used to joke about the University of Phoenix back when they first sent me mail. Just like various schools' MBA programs are more prestigious than others.

As for me, I am probably going to eventually do a Ph.D. at some point when I'm older and want to wind my career down and go back to school, probably in history and/or philosophy.

--R.

Rust wrote:I have to say, nobody gives a rats ass about degrees at this point in my career, other than to note I have them.
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Ditto. Its a good accomplishment and opens the door, but really for most fields a degree is just a line on a resume. It is more important if you are not in the private sector, where they care more for talent and ability than CVs/Resumes.

I have yet to use almost anything I learned from college, save how to bullshit. That gift was priceless.

Its a personal achievement. If it adds to a persons morale and helps them open doors, more power to them.

Nobody should deman anothers educational goals, even a dorkfuck like Mindia.

Martrae wrote:You don't get it. If it's not a place I would trust to send money to then it's JUNK in my eyes. The ONLY redeeming factor about JIU is that you can get federal financial assistance.

Who would go to a place called Jones International University anyway?

Well, for starters I am seriously thinking about going there. The only thing possibly holding me back is that it's a 2-year program. One of our upper-level supervisors at Blue Shield who makes 250k/yr. recommended JIU to me. That speaks volumes in and of itself. However, I'd like to find a 12-month or 18-month accelerated program. Judging a learning institution by its name is like judging a book by its cover... very shallow. Carnegie-Mellon is a stupid sounding name, yet it's one of the top-rated universities in America. JIU is an excellent school, and at this point I am forced to believe that you are just screwing with my head... which is fine.

Mindia, a polite 'I understand your point that brick schools with legacies are good, but this is accredited and recommended by people I trust" response would go a LOT further than being confrontational.

Martrae is raising a valid question, and you'd go a lot further if you responded to it versus attacking her.

She isn't screwing with your head. You HAVE to admit a certain amount of skepticism about a place called 'Jones University', even if it is accredited and looks good.

Stop being so fucking defensive. I can understand if it's with Brinstar, but Martrae is about as mild mannered as it gets on the planet

Check out Penn State...they are a 'real' school and have an excellent online degree program.

I'm not against online schools. I just think most of them are bullshit artists that got in under the wire.

It's Jim Jones University...just don't drink the kool-aid.

Mindia wrote:

Martrae wrote:You don't get it. If it's not a place I would trust to send money to then it's JUNK in my eyes. The ONLY redeeming factor about JIU is that you can get federal financial assistance.

Who would go to a place called Jones International University anyway?

Well, for starters I am seriously thinking about going there. The only thing possibly holding me back is that it's a 2-year program. One of our upper-level supervisors at Blue Shield who makes 250k/yr. recommended JIU to me. That speaks volumes in and of itself. However, I'd like to find a 12-month or 18-month accelerated program. Judging a learning institution by its name is like judging a book by its cover... very shallow. Carnegie-Mellon is a stupid sounding name, yet it's one of the top-rated universities in America. JIU is an excellent school, and at this point I am forced to believe that you are just screwing with my head... which is fine.

The problem most people have with the online schools is they really don't have much of a history of cranking out top notch people (yet, or maybe never)


Yale, Harvard, etc are viewed as a cut above because they've established a tradition of putting out solid lawyers, doctors, etc

Julliard is a known for producing great artists


Jimmie Jones University (or whatever it is, I don't feel like scrolling) came online in the last 10 years


Until it's been around 25, 35, 45 years and can say "We've produced XX# of great doctors/lawyers/businessmen/etc" you can't call them prestigious


It could be the most well designed online school ever, and it still will be a joke compared to real universities until they have a pedigree of producing great people


(you could make the same arguement for any new brick and mortar school as well)



EDIT: said "once it's been around", instead of "Until it's been around"

Interesting and totally valid points. I do believe in years to come, as more exposure is given to online learning, that it will grow both in size and in recognition. JIU has one very important thing associated with its name and that is the fact that it is the first, numero uno, leading edge, school to be 100% online yet totally accredited.

I used to laugh when UoP recruiters came to our highschool but the more you research it the more you see that the target demographics of these online schools are not recent high school grads or recent college drop outs. They are marketed for working adults, with too much stuff going on in their lives to devot extensive time in a traditional setting. (UoP actually requires, as one of the admission reqs, for certain programs, that you have a job and keep it during your schooling so you can apply your work to school and your school work to work)

Yes, you will see schools try and fail but eventually this type of learning/teaching will improve across the board. This stuff is really new on a scale like this and companies are refining all the operational hazzards, bad PR, and an uncertain/unconvinced public. People are unsure of what they're getting but the demand is out there and as more people enroll and are satisfied with the experience the idea will spread.

I know that our online school has close too or even more students than the entire combined populations of all our on-ground campuses and its been in operation for 1/5th the time. That's a big market to just ignore becuase some people aren't convinced its worthwhile.

Rust wrote:I have to say, nobody gives a rats ass about my Engineering *or* my Medical Biophysics degree at this point in my career, other than to note I have them.

If the M.A. gets Mindia a better job/more cash/hawt sex/whatever, go for it. I will agree that some distance learning schools might have more prestige than others, I always used to joke about the University of Phoenix back when they first sent me mail. Just like various schools' MBA programs are more prestigious than others.

As for me, I am probably going to eventually do a Ph.D. at some point when I'm older and want to wind my career down and go back to school, probably in history and/or philosophy.

--R.

Finally, a reasonable perspective...

Themosticles wrote:Interesting and totally valid points. I do believe in years to come, as more exposure is given to online learning, that it will grow both in size and in recognition. JIU has one very important thing associated with its name and that is the fact that it is the first, numero uno, leading edge, school to be 100% online yet totally accredited.

I used to laugh when UoP recruiters came to our highschool but the more you research it the more you see that the target demographics of these online schools are not recent high school grads or recent college drop outs. They are marketed for working adults, with too much stuff going on in their lives to devot extensive time in a traditional setting. (UoP actually requires, as one of the admission reqs, for certain programs, that you have a job and keep it during your schooling so you can apply your work to school and your school work to work)

Yes, you will see schools try and fail but eventually this type of learning/teaching will improve across the board. This stuff is really new on a scale like this and companies are refining all the operational hazzards, bad PR, and an uncertain/unconvinced public. People are unsure of what they're getting but the demand is out there and as more people enroll and are satisfied with the experience the idea will spread.

I know that our online school has close too or even more students than the entire combined populations of all our on-ground campuses and its been in operation for 1/5th the time. That's a big market to just ignore becuase some people aren't convinced its worthwhile.

And that was my point all along Themo... JIU is not a junk school. It has made some quantum leaps in online learning. I talked to a counselor there today. They now also have a couple professors from HARVARD that teach there too, but they just aren't on the roster yet.

The MABC in Project Management is perfect for me. Like I said earlier, the only thing that might divert me away from JIU is that it's a 24-month program. If I can find a similar curriculum with an online school of equally impressive statistics as JIU and for about the same cost, but on a 18-month or less program, I'd probably go with that. I haven't made up my mind yet. Heck, I just may go with JIU after all...

http://graduation.jonesinternational.ed ... /home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

Doesn't sound like one single poster here cares...

Darcler wrote:Doesn't sound like one single poster here cares...

Doesn't sound like I care about your trolling either...

I'm sorry. I thought you would. As you know, everyone on this board does things just for your approval.

Fuckwit.

Mindia wrote:http://graduation.jonesinternational.edu/2005graduation/home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

Tikker wrote:

Mindia wrote:http://graduation.jonesinternational.edu/2005graduation/home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

It's the graduating ROSTER, retard. They didn't pick and choose who they were going to put up on their website. Ever heard of the word Alumni? You might want to look that one up too.

oh. a roster tells you how satisfied students are

that make sense.

no, really it does.

Lord, grant me the patience to deal with some of your disadvantaged children... Amen.

Mindia wrote:

Tikker wrote:

Mindia wrote:http://graduation.jonesinternational.edu/2005graduation/home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

It's the graduating ROSTER, retard. They didn't pick and choose who they were going to put up on their website. Ever heard of the word Alumni? You might want to look that one up too.

It doesn't take into account people who didn't graduate beasue they left for someplace else.

The graduates of a school tend to be the biggest supporters of that school, they stayed because they liked it. Of those who stayed only 65% filled out the little profile form. So who knows what the other 35% felt.

A Master's degree program is not a "walk in the park," although somebody like Rust would probably boast that it is. A lot of people will wash out of a program like that because they either lack the discipline to study, or they lack the time management skills to be successful in a program like this. Anyway, who cares about the 35% washed-out losers? I don't.

Well this I can say for sure... I will never go to University of Phoenix or AIU lol

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp ... o=&Entry=1

HOLY MOLY!

Mindia wrote:

Tikker wrote:

Mindia wrote:http://graduation.jonesinternational.edu/2005graduation/home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

It's the graduating ROSTER, retard. They didn't pick and choose who they were going to put up on their website. Ever heard of the word Alumni? You might want to look that one up too.

and where does that counter anything I said you stupid fuck?

Tikker wrote:

Mindia wrote:

Tikker wrote:

Mindia wrote:http://graduation.jonesinternational.edu/2005graduation/home.html

Doesn't sound like one single student was dissatisfied...

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

It's the graduating ROSTER, retard. They didn't pick and choose who they were going to put up on their website. Ever heard of the word Alumni? You might want to look that one up too.

and where does that counter anything I said you stupid fuck?

uh....

to be fair, I would have a hard time believing the university website would post unflattering opinions

Holy crap Tikker, if you can go one day and prove that you have 1 brain cell I will be very surprised... and happy for you I might add.

Mindia wrote:A Master's degree program is not a "walk in the park," although somebody like Rust would probably boast that it is. A lot of people will wash out of a program like that because they either lack the discipline to study, or they lack the time management skills to be successful in a program like this. Anyway, who cares about the 35% washed-out losers? I don't.

Compared to a Ph.D., an M.Sc. *is* a walk in the park. The ting about grad school is getting admitted. Once you're in it's not that hard, at least at the Master's level.

--R.

Rust wrote:

Mindia wrote:A Master's degree program is not a "walk in the park," although somebody like Rust would probably boast that it is. A lot of people will wash out of a program like that because they either lack the discipline to study, or they lack the time management skills to be successful in a program like this. Anyway, who cares about the 35% washed-out losers? I don't.

Compared to a Ph.D., an M.Sc. *is* a walk in the park. The ting about grad school is getting admitted. Once you're in it's not that hard, at least at the Master's level.

--R.

I'm not concerened about getting accepted into a program. I'm more concerned about the capstone project... the master's thesis, and how big a role it actually plays in getting the degree.