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you gonna spank me now?

I know you want me too .......i dont want to take over Mindia's job though.....oh burn!

Mindia doesn't spank... he gropes.

it makes me feel dirty.

The one thing about Barry is that his bat speed has stayed amazing even though he is getting older. Usually your bat will slow down around the age of 30, although his has maintained to be one of the best in the league. Whether steroids helped with it or not, I don't know...

Didn't Bonds use a 'cream' like steroid substance?

Bonds admitted to using something called "the cream". His trainer Stan Conte told him it would help with his muscle pain similiar to flax seed oil. He said it was out in the open in his locker at all times. If he did know it was steroids he would have hid it from plain sight, and not offer it to his teamates if they needed it. You can actually see it in some pictures taken of him after games.

I have that Barry Bonds card . Do I win?

ESPN wrote:Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for the potent anabolic steroid stanozolol, the same substance Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada took in 1988, The New York Times reported on its Web site Tuesday night.

Johnson was stripped of a gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for that steroid.

According to a source with direct knowledge of baseball's drug-testing program, stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was detected in the Baltimore Orioles first baseman.

"It's a mildly strong to strong steroid," Dr. Gary Wadler, a professor at New York University and an expert in sports doping, told the newspaper. "Potent is the word I would use."

On Monday, the 40-year-old Palmeiro was suspended for 10 days under the toughened major-league policy that took effect in March. Tuesday, Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin was the eighth major-leaguer to be suspended for a positive test.

Palmeiro's suspension came five months after the player appeared before a congressional panel to dramatically deny he had ever used steroids.

While he didn't deny testing positive for the drugs, Palmeiro insisted Monday that ingesting them was an accident.

"When I testified in front of Congress, I know that I was testifying under oath and I told the truth," he said during a telephone conference call. "Today I am telling the truth again that I did not do this intentionally or knowingly."

Without giving specifics, the four-time All-Star left the impression that the banned substance was contained in a supplement that was not prescribed. He said it was an "embarrassing situation" and still did not know what caused the positive test.

"Why would I do this in a year when I went in front of Congress and I testified and I told the truth?" he said. "Why would I do this during a season where I was going to get to 3,000 hits? It just makes no sense. … I'm not a crazy person."

On July 15, Palmeiro joined Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers.

Oh yeah, he "accidentally" took stanozolol. Suuuuure that's a side product in a "nutritional suppliment"

-Arlos

Ouch. It'll be interesting to hear his explanation for this.

lyion wrote:

Mop wrote:Do you understand baseball at all Kizzy and the complexity that is involved in hitting a baseball/ It is arguable that it is the hardest thing to do in sports for one - if you think he didnt make it to the majors on talent then
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I'm sure Ken Caminiti was all talent. I'm sure Bonds suddenly became a homerun monster late career solely due to talent. We won't even examine Mcgwire or Giambi or the many, many other names.

Come on, Mop. You aren't seriously going to argue how juicing doesn't really help players? That's a silly argument and you know it. The simple truth is we really do not know, and baseball has just started monitoring this stuff.

You can argue what should and should not be allowed, and how things should be regulated but there is no doubt of the impact of performance enhancing drugs over the last 25 years.

My argument was meant to be about the drug testing policy in baseball still being shit and having lots of grey areas. Of course steriods are going to help a player. Did all of you shit bricks when 4 players on the Carolina ssuper bowl team tested positive for steriods less than 2 weeks after the superbowl? or did you just not care because the media didn't have a field day with it?

My entire problem with this is half of MLBPA don't know what is banned - some of which is stuff you can get over the counter to treat asthma or allergies...

Mop wrote:My entire problem with this is half of MLBPA don't know what is banned - some of which is stuff you can get over the counter to treat asthma or allergies...

I agree completely. This appears to be a rushed bullshit setup, instead of MLB doing the right thing. They are not where the NFL is, nor will they be for years and years.

The difference is the NFL has been monitoring steroids heavily for a while and knows what's going on generally and has over years developed a program for keeping track and ensuring Steroids are not overt.

It'll take years for MLB to get to where the NFL is, and the NFL system by far isn't perfect.

It'll be interesting to see how it effects all the latino baseball programs that juice up heavily.

If they are banning steroids in general, are they going to ban cortisone shots, since that is a type of steroid?



Cortisone is a type of steroid that is produced naturally by a gland in your body called the adrenal gland. Cortisone is released from the adrenal gland when your body is under stress. Natural cortisone is released into the blood stream and is relatively short-acting.

Injectable cortisone is synthetically produced and has many different trade names (e.g. Celestone, Kenalog, etc.), but is a close derivative of your body's own product. The most significant differences are that synthetic cortisone is not injected into the blood stream, but into a particular area of inflammation. Also, the synthetic cortisone is designed to act more potently and for a longer period of time (days instead of minutes).

it isnt an anabolic steroid

Palmeiro suspension ended today. I wonder what type of reception he will get tonight in Baltimore.

My guess is its going to be mixed. There will be some fans that boo him, others will welcome him back.

Now when they go on the road to say......New York or Boston, i would hate to be Palmiero.

Here's more on Palmeiro and steroids. From Associated Press:

BALTIMORE -- Rafael Palmeiro failed to explain how a steroid entered his system when he went before a baseball panel several months ago to plead his case, The Baltimore Sun reported Friday.

The Baltimore Orioles star shed little light during his long statement on why and how he tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, three sources familiar with the transcript told the newspaper. The sources were interviewed on condition of anonymity because they wanted to wait until Congress finishes its review.

In August, Palmeiro said he never knowingly used steroids. Through agent Arn Tellem he has said the positive drug test will be regarded differently once certain information is disclosed.

"There is another side to this story, and Raffy will tell it soon," Tellem said. "I hope that the public will wait to make a final judgment about Rafael until they hear his story in its entirety."

Palmeiro, who was not in the starting lineup for Friday night's game in Cleveland because of a sprained left ankle, said he doesn't know when he'll be able to speak out publicly about his ordeal.

"I have no idea," he said. "The thing with Congress is going on and when that's over with then maybe I'll be able to do it."

Palmeiro was greeted with a mixture of boos and cheers earlier this week while playing in Oakland, his first road games since coming off his suspension. He wasn't surprised by the varied reception.

"No one likes to get booed. You always want to be accepted, even when you're on the road," he said. "I've always had a good reputation and relationship with fans on the road. I've always taken time to sign and give them balls, and no one likes to be booed anyway. But what can you do?

"I hope that when I'm able to speak that they understand. I can see their frustration. I appreciate the fans who are not booing and I appreciate the fans who are supporting me. The ones that are booing I can't do anything about them."

Palmeiro is the most prominent major league player punished for taking banned drugs. The 40-year-old slugger tested positive in the spring. He challenged that finding at an undisclosed time before Major League Baseball's arbitration panel.

In March, Palmeiro testified before the House Government Reform Committee that he had never used steroids.

The arbitration panel has denied Palmeiro's appeal, saying the player failed to establish the positive test result was not his fault. The panel added it found that Palmeiro's testimony "in many respects was quite compelling" and there was no evidence he was "untruthful."

Baseball suspended Palmeiro for 10 days and the House committee is now examining arbitration hearing transcripts to determine whether Palmeiro lied to Congress.

Palmeiro tested positive for the powerful steroid stanozolol, a person with knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program has told The Associated Press. The person did not want to be identified because the sport prohibits disclosure of test results without authorization.

Experts say it is unlikely such a steroid could have entered his system accidentally.