Race and intelligence

[Scoota McGee]

So... if we find any race is genetically predisposed to any condition... that's racism?

That was a shot at me for claiming black people aren't genetically stupid.

Seems like the classic definition are argumentative to me.

How do you know that black people aren't genetically stupid? What are you basing your opinion on if you also believe we don’t even know what “Intelligence” is. It seems the only honest answer is taht you don’t know.

[Zanchief]

And claiming you do makes you racist.

[Scoota McGee]

And claiming you do makes you racist.

Please point out where I said that I believed black people are stupid.

On what do you base your opinion that black people are not genetically prone to low intelligence?

[Langston]

It's based on his socialist tendencies and bleeding-heart liberalism.... not fact or logic.

[Harrison]

In my experiences, black people ARE less intelligent.

Maybe it's because they're all unfortunate souls who just happen to be poor...

Wait, no...

I was poor as fuck too. I never had that excuse. I'm fucking white...

I'm going back to bed because I'm hungover and need my energy to party tonight too.

[Zanchief]

On what do you base your opinion that black people are not genetically prone to low intelligence?

When did I claim it wasn't a possibility?

Because something isn't a scientific impossibility hardly makes it worth mentioning, especially if it's claimed to be true by bigoted assholes.

[Zanchief]

It's based on his socialist tendencies and bleeding-heart liberalism.... not fact or logic.

I wouldn't be too quick to disparage liberalism in a thread where you have been proven to be completely wrong, and in my opinion classless. It tends to make the other side look good.

Plus you’re agreeing with Fin.

[Langston]

It's a fact that black people are genetically predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

That is a fact.

That's what we are arguing Scoota.

Is that a FACT?

I'm sure your theory about racist scientists and global liberal agendas of dishonesty are all very accurate to what MIGHT happen. But that still doesn't change the fact that you were wrong, and I was right.

OK, Zanchief... let's take a stroll down Blinders Lane together, shall we?

We'll do this with baby steps:

1) IQ tests are generic. "If you have a 4 cup bowl and a 3 cup bowl, how would you use these to measure precisely 2 cups?" There's no bias to race in such questions. "Repeat the following numbers: 2 7 4 9 5 8 1" - again... no bias to race in that question.
2) IQ testing isn't only done on one variety or another of people. In other words, we don't have only the "smart" white kids tested nor do we have only the "dumb" black kids tested. We presume that there is equal number of the best and brightest, and dumb and dumbers in each racial division of the testing.
3) Overall testing results show that white people, on average, score higher on these tests than do black people. Hispanics score somewhere between and Asians typically top the list. This is overall.

Now, I ask you, if everyone is being given the same exam and we're not picking on the stupid people by only testing them and leaving out the more intelligent ones, what is YOUR reasoning for why blacks score lowest? If you're going to tell me it's racially biased testing, then don't bother... that's a crock of shit that those same black people have been trying to use as an excuse since day one. If black people didn't use numbers or measuring cups or never saw a kid's building block in their life, maybe they'd have an argument... but as it stands, IQ tests are about as far-removed from anything culturally-based as you can get. If you argue that point you either have never taken one or you're just blind to your own recessive contentiousness.

So what is it, Zanchief, that makes the blacks test lower?

After you answer that question, please tell me how I have said ANYTHING racist at all in this post.

I'll add one last thing, though: you're a fucking idiot and I shouldn't have to explain this type of simplicity to someone. If you'd drop your bullshit "save the children" shit for just a moment and realized how stupid you yourself sound, maybe this thread wouldn't be 4 pages of people responding to your liberal tripe.

[Zanchief]

You're running around in circles and you're the only one who doesn't know what’s going on.

I am a liberal.

I don't like people who make broad generalizations about minority groups to satisfy their fear and hatred for them (oh, I know this isn't an emotional discussion, this is about facts. I'll get to that in a second).

But neither of those things has ANYTHING to do with the fact that you can't prove that GENETICALLY (read it again, it's all the rage in those "science" publications.) black people are stupider.

Statistically? Sure.

I don't know why black people test worse than other races. I don't know why Asians test better than white people.

But that doesn't change the fact that you CAN'T prove that it is a FACT that GENETICALLY black people are stupider.

Claiming something that is without merit for the purpose of demeaning a race is racist. I think even you can understand that.

Now settle down, take your pills and move on to Finawin, or Gargamel. There's nothing left for you here but embarrassment.

[Langston]

You're running around in circles and you're the only one who doesn't know what’s going on.

I am a liberal.

I don't like people who make broad generalizations about minority groups to satisfy their fear and hatred for them (oh, I know this isn't an emotional discussion, this is about facts. I'll get to that in a second).

But neither of those things has ANYTHING to do with the fact that you can't prove that GENETICALLY (read it again, it's all the rage in those "science" publications.) black people are stupider.

Statistically? Sure.

I don't know why black people test worse than other races. I don't know why Asians test better than white people.

But that doesn't change the fact that you CAN'T prove that it is a FACT that GENETICALLY black people are stupider.

Claiming something that is without merit for the purpose of demeaning a race is racist. I think even you can understand that.

Now settle down, take your pills and move on to Finawin, or Gargamel. There's nothing left for you here but embarrassment.

NOW we're finally getting somewhere.

I'm going to quote my statement from several previous posts for you one more time:

It's a fact that black people are genetically predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

How is that the same as calling all black people stupid? I make a very clear statement that they have a lower tested IQ.

Sinking in yet, Sparky?

[Harrison]

If you bad mouth black people, even as a general population, you are racist.

Fuck you, pussies.

[Phlegm]

I think IQ tests are more prejudicial toward a person's upbringing and education more than race.

[Zanchief]

You're running around in circles and you're the only one who doesn't know what’s going on.

I am a liberal.

I don't like people who make broad generalizations about minority groups to satisfy their fear and hatred for them (oh, I know this isn't an emotional discussion, this is about facts. I'll get to that in a second).

But neither of those things has ANYTHING to do with the fact that you can't prove that GENETICALLY (read it again, it's all the rage in those "science" publications.) black people are stupider.

Statistically? Sure.

I don't know why black people test worse than other races. I don't know why Asians test better than white people.

But that doesn't change the fact that you CAN'T prove that it is a FACT that GENETICALLY black people are stupider.

Claiming something that is without merit for the purpose of demeaning a race is racist. I think even you can understand that.

Now settle down, take your pills and move on to Finawin, or Gargamel. There's nothing left for you here but embarrassment.

NOW we're finally getting somewhere.

I'm going to quote my statement from several previous posts for you one more time:

It's a fact that black people are genetically predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

How is that the same as calling all black people stupid? I make a very clear statement that they have a lower tested IQ.

Sinking in yet, Sparky?

It's a fact that black people are genetically predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

This statement is false.

It's a fact that black people are predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

This statement is true.

We understand each now?

[Zanchief]

If you bad mouth black people, even as a general population, you are racist.

Sig worthy.

[DangerPaul]

In my experiences, black people ARE less intelligent.

Maybe it's because they're all unfortunate souls who just happen to be poor...

Wait, no...

I was poor as fuck too. I never had that excuse. I'm fucking white...

I'm going back to bed because I'm hungover and need my energy to party tonight too.

So as a stereotype, blacks and white trash are less intelligent. Got it.

[Harrison]

Last I was tested I actually scored as a genius...but thanks

[DangerPaul]

The IQ tests on the back of Captain Crunch boxes do not count.

[Zanchief]

Last I was tested I actually scored as a genius...but thanks

If I believed you, that might be proof that IQ tests truly are inaccurate.

[Harrison]

If you bad mouth black people, even as a general population, you are racist.

Sig worthy.

In the same breath, if you bad mouth white people, it's a fucking joke.

Fuck you, fuck "reverse racism" and fuck hypocrites.

[Zanchief]

If you bad mouth black people, even as a general population, you are racist.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

[Harrison]

Listen canadian, you probably don't even know what black people look like to begin with.

[Zanchief]

I think it might be time for that nap you were teasing us with earlier.

[Langston]

OK, Zan - I'll conceed that point IF you can answer this question for me:

What, then, causes black people to score lower on tests which are not racially biased?

[Zanchief]

Well assuming the poll Phantomphist posted before he ran off for another time-out was accurate, 60+% of black people live below the poverty line. I bet you can find just as much evidence that white people living in the low income brackets score much lower than white people in higher income brackets.

If you can find me evidence that black people living in high income families score lower than white people in the same income bracket then I would be really surprised. But that still wouldn't change the fact that none of this is genetic.

Why, I can’t answer, nor do I know why they can’t seem to get out of the vicious circle of poverty, but I would wager it has mostly to do with the environment you are brought up in.

[xaoshaen]

In my experiences, black people ARE less intelligent.

Maybe it's because they're all unfortunate souls who just happen to be poor...

Wait, no...

I was poor as fuck too. I never had that excuse. I'm fucking white...

I'm going back to bed because I'm hungover and need my energy to party tonight too.

So, what we have here is anecdotal evidence that intelligence is directly related to cash flow?