Tossica wrote:I wrote up a rather winded response yesterday and it was somehow lost in the posting process.
Kaemon, you are wrong. I am 100% positive that there are MANY people out there that would do a better job of running the country than Obama has. Unfortunately, this clown Romney is not one of them. He did a decent job of polishing his turd during the debate but it's still a pile of shit. He offered no details about what he actually plans on doing. His entire argument was basically, "I don't know what I'm going to do or how but it's going to be better than what you did!"
What is he going to replace Obamacare with? What happens to the 40million people that now have insurance that didn't before. How will bankrupt states pay for their own "poor"? How will a senior with pre-existing conditions "buy their own insurance" with a voucher? How will cutting taxes spur job creation when taxes are already at record lows? Shouldn't there be more jobs than people to work in them if low taxes was all it took? Which tax loopholes does he plan to eliminate to pay for his 5trillion dollar cut? How does he plan to work towards energy independence that he claims he is for? He mentioned the Canadian pipeline, off shore drilling, drilling in Alaska, etc. None of these things will help. That oil will all go to the market and NOT be used to make us independent. He's pro coal. Ok, at what cost? Does he suggest rolling back all the advances we've made in making it safer alternative? How does he justify a 2trillion dollar military spending increase? Who do you think gets that money? Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grummon, etc. Why is it ok to spend TRILLIONS of dollars on military contracts with HUGE profit layers built in but it's not ok to spend pubic tax dollars on health care? I do not understand for the life of me WHY this is even a debate!
Lots of hot fucking air. NO substance.
For the record, I prefer your 'Fuck the Republicans' responses. This one actually has some valid points and good arguments.
The problem with Obamacare is, as George Will noted, the unelected 15 board panel:
Late in the debate, when Romney for a third time referred to Obamacare's creation of "an unelected board, appointed board, who are going to decide what kind of (medical) treatment you ought to have," Obama said, "No, it isn't." Oh?
The Independent Payment Advisory Board perfectly illustrates liberalism's itch to remove choices from individuals, and from their elected representatives, and to repose the power to choose in supposed experts liberated from democratic accountability.
Beginning in 2014, IPAB would consist of 15 unelected technocrats whose recommendations for reducing Medicare costs must be enacted by Congress by Aug. 15 of each year. If Congress does not enact them, or other measures achieving the same level of cost containment, IPAB's proposals automatically are transformed from recommendations into law. Without being approved by Congress. Without being signed by the president.
These facts refute Obama's Denver assurance that IPAB "can't make decisions about what treatments are given." It can and will by controlling payments to doctors and hospitals. Hence the emptiness of Obamacare's language that IPAB's proposals "shall not include any recommendation to ration health care."
By Obamacare's terms, Congress can repeal IPAB only during a seven-month window in 2017, and then only by three-fifths majorities in both chambers. After that, the law precludes Congress from ever altering IPAB proposals.
Because IPAB effectively makes law, thereby traducing the separation of powers, and entrenches IPAB in a manner that derogates the powers of future Congresses, it has been well described by a Cato Institute study as "the most anti-constitutional measure ever to pass Congress."
This in all ways is a terrible, almost unconstitutional piece of legislation. I like a lot of things Obamacare does, but this is not one of them.
As far as military spending, both Bush and Obama have smartly gotten rid of a lot of terrible programs, but keeping a military that projects power and is at the top of the world is an expensive endeavor. I personally think we should completely revamp our military starting with removing 50% of the officers and consolidationg the four services into just two but that probably wouldn't fly with either party who likes their military spending bills for their states.
Anyways, you talk about 'bankrupt' states. How long do you think the Fed can continue to spend a 'trillion' more than it brings in? The problem is we need a balanced budget at the Federal level just like most states have. The government has staggering amounts of cash it brings in, and absolutely does not need to raise taxes, especially when we have the largest corporate tax rate in the world. The problem is we need to close loopholes and ensure companies pay their fair share. The fact Star Wars to this day has not made a profit is the best example I can see why raising the tax rate is completely worthless without the reform to ensure that revenues are fair and the fatcats who want more 'economic patriotism', but in actuality do not pay a fucking dime won't be able to dump all their bills and goals on small business and the smaller markets.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:53 am
by Narrock
Drem wrote:gonna be funny when romney doesn't get elected, mindia
fuckin tool
It will be a national tragedy if obummer gets elected again... Ignorant fucktards drinkin the obummer cool aid... /sigh
Narrock wrote:It will be a national tragedy if obummer gets elected again...
I guess you had best prepare yourself for the worst, then, because I think it really could go either way.
Lyion wrote:removing 50% of the officers
Would that be removing 50% of the officers that are within a year or two of retirement? Rather brutal if not, since the economy is not exactly rosy in outlook even for career military to get jobs easily... I suppose those close to retirement might be able to supplement their income on a lecture circuit or teaching... But still.... And if the size of the military contracts, lots of civil service and subcontracted fields will probably similarly contract to follow suit. Not a pleasant outlook any way you slice it.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:36 am
by Harrison
I want to know why half of the shit politicians are doing is even legal.
Why is it legal for politicians to take money from companies (COUGH BRIBE COUGH) to fund their campaigns?
If I did that I'd be in fucking jail.
I am so sick of this bloated government.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:45 am
by ClakarEQ
Harri, that's legal because the right leaning scotus made it that way :\.
For the rest of us, we have to go get educated on company / supplier relationships, anti-bribery courses, etc.
For them, now it's even worse, it's part of the job and we let it happen.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:58 pm
by Tossica
Because corporations are "people" now and it would be unconstitutional to tell a person how much they can contribute to a candidate's campaign.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:22 pm
by brinstar
pretty fucked, huh
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:06 pm
by Narrock
Good thing Romney is a highly ethical multi-millionaire (self-made) and won't be swayed politically by lobbyists like our grifter-in-chief.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:22 pm
by Spazz
Trollin trollin trollin I actually laughed ^
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:59 pm
by Harrison
Mindia, I knew who Romney was before you did. He was a piece of shit flip flopping faggot back then, and he's one now.
He says whatever possible to look good at the time, but does what he pleases in reality. He is a scumbag, and a rich one. Two things this country doesn't need as President.
We also don't need Obama spending us into oblivion, either.
Shit vs Turd = We lose.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:09 pm
by ClakarEQ
Harri is correct but, and a big but mind you LOL, it takes MONEY to move forward, regardless of where it comes from, be it thin air, your butt, my butt, don't matter, you REQUIRE money to move forward. You can't NOT spend and advance, every economist knows you have to spend on the hope that the current direction moves faster and faster. However that is a gamble that is being taken and I don't know that we, or anyone else for that matter, will win. I predict a bunch of losers. The biggest of course is ROMNEY.
Mindia, that guy has been silver spoon fed from the time he was born. I would bet he has hurt the middle class through his "self made" career more than any other candidate in US history.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:54 pm
by Narrock
Romney comes from a wealthy family... duh... But after college he wanted to prove to his family and himself that he could be just as successful as his father was, on his own and without daddy's money... And that's exactly what he did. Obummer waa the one who was born with a silver spoon up his ass, grandma having put him thru the most expensive private schools in Hawaii, and then continued paying his way thru Columbia and Harvard. So if you want to be fair, they both come from a wealthy background. Post-college years, Romney was a much bigger success without further assistance. Now I have a question for you liberals: Why does your party continuously demonize rich people? They already pay their fair share of taxes. They create businesses that create jobs. Why punish success? Why further burden them with even more taxes and more government-imposed regulations? Sorry, but democrats just don't get it, and anybody who votes for a democrat is shooting himself/herself in the foot.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:13 pm
by Harrison
Also, he's a draft dodger, too. So fuck him even harder. (Fuck them both for wanting to be CIC without having ever served in the military while we're at it.)
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:17 pm
by Trielelvan
That's just it - Romney doesn't pay his fair share of taxes, and before you start going off on how ethical that asshole is, may I remind you that he key to success is to disenfranchise other businesses and outsource the shit out of them to other countries, which he gets a HUGE tax break for, putting thousands upon thousands of people out of work, and small businesses out of business.
Additionally, between the losses he claims through his businesses (and Ann's fucking horse... and I don't mean her face...) ensuring that his Taxes at the end of each quarter = $0.00 and all the money that he keeps offshore in 3 different countries, he is securing absolutely NO revenue turn-around for THIS country.
Romney is nothing but a greedy capitalist piece of shit, and just because you hate the daylights out of Obama doesn't make Romney that man with the golden answer. The main problem with him is he shows exactly what the fuck is wrong with this country: He can be bought by the highest bidder.
I am sick and fucking tired of the Presidential seat being a goddamned auction.
The fact of the matter is, we don't have a good candidate going up for office. None of the actual good ones who would actually help this country are being given any kind of chance to get a seat.
Jackasses on one side, and the Big White Elephant in the room on the other.
Hate Obama all you want. I don't care. But please, for the love of all that's decent, do NOT try to pass off Romney as some kind of spectacular businessman and human being. Running this country takes as much heart as it takes business sense and leadership ability.
Romney has NONE of those.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:35 pm
by Narrock
Even with your rattling off of liberal talking points that are unsubstantiated and have little or no facts behind them, I will agree with you about the president's seat being an auction house. Thing is, almost every decision the obummer administration has made has been an epic failure for the majority of Americans, ie: "obamacare", adding 5 trillion dollars to the national debt, lack of securing our borders, atrocious and dangerous foreign policy, raising taxes on the middle class, defunding our space exploration program, underfunding our military, welching on the promises he made in 2008, and on and on. As a president, obummer gets an F letter grade. I'm not saying that Romney is the best thing since sliced bread, but it would be literally impossible for him to be a worse president, or even as bad a president, as obummer is. Oh, and Ann Romney is a prettier woman than Michelle obummer. Something about Michelle's protruding jaw freaks me out. And it has nothing to do with race... there are plenty of hot black chicks out there.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:57 pm
by brinstar
ugh stop feeding it
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:00 pm
by Drem
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:16 pm
by Spazz
Bewbs
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:22 pm
by brinstar
Drem wrote:
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:46 am
by Arlos
She's right up there with the South Carolina Beauty Pageant contestant...
-Arlos
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:51 am
by Spazz
Cept the maps and such as chick was kinda hot and that chick is a retarded skankaloptapus
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:49 am
by Menelvir
If Mitt is elected, I'm hoping one of his first acts will be to legalize polygamy.
For too long have the polygamists been shamed and oppressed. Deliberately inflicting torture on oneself by burdening oneself with the legal, emotional, and social ramifications of marrying more than one person should be every red-blooded American's God-given right.
Bonus: those Mormons don't take none too kindly to squatters 'n' trepassers
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:57 am
by ClakarEQ
Mindia, I only have one other thing to throw at you. You voted for Bush, TWICE, that in of itself is all the reason anyone needs to discard anything you say.
Re: Wake TF up
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:19 am
by Spazz
I didnt see it yesterday but Mindia is insane michille obama is totally milfish.
