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Rod Marinelli

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:55 pm
by Lionking
Poor guy. His first head coaching gig will probably be his last! Detroit is the coaching graveyard after all.

Seriously, all I can do is cross my fingers and hope that they finally have it right after all these years.

-Out

:vonk:

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:56 pm
by Lyion
Who?

I know they gave him Asst head coach title in Tampa, but the guy wasn't even a coordinator.

What a Millen-esque choice.

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:17 pm
by Tuggan
lyion wrote:Who?


What a Millen-esque choice.


my thoughts exactly. another season on the bottom, woot.

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:24 pm
by Thon
now we'll get to see him doing Ford commericals

We're building something good here!

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:28 pm
by Phlegm
Millen likes to hire head coaches with their last names start with M like his last name. Mortingwheg, Marauchi, and now Marinelli.

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:39 pm
by Lionking
Thon wrote:now we'll get to see him doing Ford commericals

We're building something good here!


Ugh! Now that one cuts to the bone! Something's got to give. We can't have a horrible football team forever! If even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, maybe Marinelli is that nut!

-Out

:vonk:

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:05 am
by xaoshaen
lyion wrote:Who?

I know they gave him Asst head coach title in Tampa, but the guy wasn't even a coordinator.

What a Millen-esque choice.


He's gotten some very impressive recommendations from other coaches around the league. The initial reaction seems to be "why the hell did it take this long?"

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:13 am
by Lyion
So did Marriuci.

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:23 am
by xaoshaen
lyion wrote:So did Marriuci.


Mooch was an entirely different scenario, and I missed any superlatives on the level that Marinelli's gotten.

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:51 am
by Lyion
Should they have hired Marinelli over Haslett, Mangini, and Sherman? Granted, insiders love the guy, but that doesn't make him the right choice.

Mooch was generally considered a superior head coach and choice when he went to Detroit, and was highly regarded. Marinelli wasn't even a coordinator, but an offensive line coach behind Monte and Chucky.

Being a coaches coach is one thing, but this guy hasn't done anything, and in my mind Millen, given his past history, really needed to bring in a heavy hitter. He did the opposite and brought in an insider who has never driven a ship, in college or pros and while being highly recommended is a 56 year old guy who has primarily coached lines and will have a learning curve.

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:58 am
by xaoshaen
lyion wrote:Should they have hired Marinelli over Haslett, Mangini, and Sherman? Granted, insiders love the guy, but that doesn't make him the right choice.

Mooch was generally considered a superior head coach and choice when he went to Detroit, and was highly regarded. Marinelli wasn't even a coordinator, but an offensive line coach behind Monte and Chucky.

Being a coaches coach is one thing, but this guy hasn't done anything, and in my mind Millen, given his past history, really needed to bring in a heavy hitter. He did the opposite and brought in an insider who has never driven a ship, in college or pros and while being highly recommended is a 56 year old guy who has primarily coached lines and will have a learning curve.


I'm actually very much in favor of bringing in people who aren't NFL retreads. Yeah, you might strike out, but you might also wind up with the next Shanahan. I'd much rather see my team, particularly if it's a team like the Lions, gamble on someone acknowledged to be an excellent football mind and leader of men, than playing it safe and shooting for mediocrity.

[EDIT:] I should mention that I still think Mooch is a good coach and could be successful somewhere, but I think he was a bad fit in Detroit. Given the youth of the roster and the lack of a veteran star that can command the locker room's respect, I think they needed a tougher coach than the laidback Mariucci.

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:09 pm
by Lyion
I agree completely and wish more teams would go in different directions. I also feel Mooch will be a good coach somewhere else. I also feel Marinelli will end up winning, but sooner if he were in a position like Romeo Crennel is and had a strong good front office, and nobody knows in Detroit.

However, I didn't state my point well. Detroit IMHO needed an established guy who can walk in and buck the front office when they make idiotic moves (See, Jeff Garcia, their drafts, a lot of their FAs, etc) and knows all aspects of the game. Marinelli while knowing the Xs and Os does not have the presence or power an established guy like Parcells or Gibbs would coming in, I don't think.

On a sidenote, if all these coaches were so high on Marinelli, why wasn't he a coordinator somewhere, instead of stuck being a line coach for the past 10 years?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:18 pm
by Tikker
I don't understand how Millen keeps his job

I don't think Mariucci should have been fired either

It's hard to win games with no talent on the roster

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:34 pm
by Tuggan
everything ive heard says the lions have the talent, just didnt have the coach to mold it into wins.

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:47 pm
by Lyion
Good write up on Marinelli on Profootballtalk.com

Allow us to step away from the growing throng of folks who already have declared the hiring of former Bucs defensive line coach Rod Marinelli to be a "home run" in Motown and utter a phrase to which military types like Marinelli surely can relate.

"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."

We say this because Marinelli reminds several league insiders of the last Sgt. York-type who decided to apply principles of the battle field to an NFL practice field.

Les Steckel. Minnesota Vikings. 1984.

Steckel was the hand-picked successor to Hall of Famer Bud Grant. A Vietnam veteran, Steckel was a disciplinarian who installed an obstacle course at training camp.

The team responded with a 3-13 season, despite having essentially the same players who went 8-8 under Grant in 1983, and 7-9 in 1985 after Grant returned for a season in an effort to reverse the damage that Steckel had inflicted on the franchise.

Though Marinelli, also a Vietnam vet, likely won't turn minicamp into boot camp, the Lions can count on something far more demanding than the training camps they've seen in years past.

"I believe in pad practices," Marinelli said Thursday.

As one league insider said on Friday, "Sure, they'll be disciplined. They'll be the most disciplined 3-13 team in NFL history."

As we see it, if pro football players didn't respond well to the jarhead thing 22 years ago, they won't respond to it any better now.

The only difference today is that, thanks to free agency, the Lions can try to reshape the roster with players who are more likely to buy in to Marinelli's style. But it's not something that can happen overnight. Or in a year. Or two.

The problem is that there are plenty of turds in the Lions locker room -- and most of them aren't in the latrines. Charles Rogers won't last. Plenty of others will want out of town.

And what does all of this mean for quarterback Joey Harrington? We won't ask. And we don't expect the Lions to tell.

As to the praise heaped on the Lions by some members of the media for hiring Marinelli, why haven't these same people been mentioning Marinelli as a potential head coaching candidate at any point in the past five, six, seven years? The guy wasn't an unknown. And surely some other team took an initial look-see at Marinelli after another Tampa defensive position coach, Herm Edwards, performed relatively well as the head coach of the Jets following his arrival in 2001.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN, in an article regarding the Marinelli hire, quotes folks like Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, former Bucs coach Tony Dungy, and former Bucs G.M. Rich McKay, all of whom rave about Marinelli.

"Some guys are born to be assistants and some are born to be coordinators, but when I look at Rod Marinelli I see a guy who was born to be a head coach," Kiffin said. "He is a natural leader. I'm surprised nobody realized it until now."

"I felt the same way about Herman [Edwards]," said Dungy. "Herman wasn't a coordinator . . . he was a leader of men. Rod is a leader, he's a coach's coach, he's one of the best communicators I've ever been around, he's a motivator and he is a great teacher."

Added McKay: "Rod really is a special guy and he's a special coach. A lot of people have taken credit for the turnaround of the Bucs' franchise going back 10 years or so; one of the primary factors to that turnaround was Rod Marinelli."

Mortensen reports that McKay didn't interview Marinelli when McKay's current team, the Falcons, was hiring a head coach in 2004 because part of McKay's wink-nod deal with the Bucs was that, if the team allowed him to leave for a lateral move, McKay wouldn't try to raid the team's coaching staff.

Still, if Kiffin, Dungy, and McKay feel so strongly about Marinelli, why hasn't word previously gotten out on the guy? The Bucs won the Super Bowl in January 2003 -- a day before the Lions fired Marty Mornhinweg. But Marinelli's name wasn't mentioned in connection with the ensuing Lions vacancy, or any other job that has opened up after the 2003 and 2004 seasons.

In fact, we're told that the Raiders, who recently interviewed Marinelli for their head coaching vacancy, were actually interested in hiring Marinelli to be the team's next defensive coordinator, but that the Raiders knew the Bucs would deny any requests to interview Marinelli for defensive coordinator positions through January 31, the date on which his contract with Tampa would have expired.

Tampa's refusal to permit its position coaches to accept promotions to coordinator jobs in other cities is one of the reasons that Marinelli's profile never grew. The Bucs are notorious for holding back their assistants, and we have no doubt that the team would have prevented him from interviewing with the Raiders, who ransacked the Bucs for cash and draft picks when Jon Gruden was hired.

And perhaps some of the same competitive malice that prompts the Bucs to block efforts by assistant coaches to improve their standing also kept guys like Kiffin, Dungy, and McKay from creating positive buzz about Marinelli as head coaching material. If, after all, Marinelli becomes the next Lombardi, then there will be one more successful franchise out there for Kiffin's Bucs and Dungy's Colts and McKay's Falcons to lose to.

Still, word has a way of getting around in the NFL, and the fact that Marinelli emerged out of nowhere while in plain sight makes us wonder whether Kiffin, Dungy, and McKay were merely being charitable in their recent assessments of him. Perhaps Marinelli is one of those hoorah nut jobs who brings a lot to the table in a supporting role, but who needs to be restrained from time to time by a superior officer who appreciates the bigger picture.

Left to his own devices and with no one to dress him down, it's possible that Marinelli will become the first drill sargeant since Les Steckel to march a franchise, in perfect formation, right into an ambush.