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Bush = Hitler?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:05 am
by Evermore
UW Instructor Compares Bush to Hitler
Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:39 AM EDT
The Associated Press
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER
MILWAUKEE (AP) — A university instructor who came under scrutiny for arguing that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks likens President Bush to Adolf Hitler in an essay his students are being required to buy for his course.
The essay by Kevin Barrett, "Interpreting the Unspeakable: The Myth of 9/11," is part of a $20 book of essays by 15 authors, according to an unedited copy first obtained by WKOW-TV in Madison and later by The Associated Press.
The book's title is "9/11 and American Empire: Muslims, Jews, and Christians Speak Out." It is on the syllabus for Barrett's course at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, "Islam: Religion and Culture," but only three of the essays are required reading, not including Barrett's essay.
Barrett, a part-time instructor who holds a doctorate in African languages and literature and folklore from UW-Madison, is active in a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth. The group's members say U.S. officials, not al-Qaida terrorists, were behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.
"Like Bush and the neocons, Hitler and the Nazis inaugurated their new era by destroying an architectural monument and blaming its destruction on their designated enemies," he wrote.
Barrett said Tuesday he was comparing the attacks to the burning of the German parliament building, the Reichstag, in 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship.
"That's not comparing them as people, that's comparing the Reichstag fire to the demolition of the World Trade Center, and that's an accurate comparison that I would stand by," he said.
He added: "Hitler had a good 20 to 30 IQ points on Bush, so comparing Bush to Hitler would in many ways be an insult to Hitler."
Moira Megargee, publicity director for the Northampton, Mass., publisher Interlink, said the book is due out at the end of November and the editing isn't finished.
"It is not final and for all we know that essay may not be in the book or may be edited," she said.
The university's decision to allow Barrett to teach the course touched off a controversy over the summer once his views became widely known.
Sixty-one state legislators denounced the move. One county board cut its funding for the UW-Extension by $8,247 — the amount Barrett will earn for teaching the course — in a symbolic protest, even though the course is unrelated to that branch of the UW System.
Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle and his Republican challenger, Mark Green, have both said they believe Barrett should be fired.
One essay Barrett is requiring students to read is entitled: "A Clash Between Justice and Greed," and argues that conflicts between Islam and the western world were made up after the "collapse of the Soviet Union to justify U.S. 'defense' spending, and to provide a pretext of controlling the world's resources."
The author of another essay, "Interpreting Terrorism: Muslim Problem or Covert Operations Nightmare?," contends some western intelligence agencies are commiting acts of terrorism to make them look like the work of radical Islamics.
The university's chief academic officer, Provost Patrick Farrell, decided to retain Barrett for the course after reviewing his plans and qualifications. He said Barrett could present his ideas during one week of the course as long as students were allowed to challenge them.
He later warned Barrett to stop seeking publicity for his personal political views.
Farrell said he has not seen the essay, but faculty can assign readings that may not be popular to everyone.
"I think part of the role of any challenging course here is going to encourage students to think of things from a variety of perspectives," he said.
this line made me giggle irl
He added: "Hitler had a good 20 to 30 IQ points on Bush, so comparing Bush to Hitler would in many ways be an insult to Hitler."
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:54 am
by Tikker
"Hitler had a good 20 to 30 IQ points on Bush, so comparing Bush to Hitler would in many ways be an insult to Hitler."
haha
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:57 am
by Spazz
Bush should grow the hitler mustache so that all the people callin him hitler can have a feild day. Bush sucks but hitler he is not.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:38 am
by Tikker
Yeah, Hitler was at least capable of taking over a country
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:00 am
by Minrott
He was?
Seriously, when was the last time Germany won a war?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:05 am
by Spazz
Im a lil rusty on my world war 2 at the moment but Ive heard a lot of talk bout how his biggest mistake was getting into it with russia and opening a second front. They didnt win the war but germany was able to take over several countries for a good chunk of time i think ...
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:15 am
by Tikker
spazz wrote:Im a lil rusty on my world war 2 at the moment but Ive heard a lot of talk bout how his biggest mistake was getting into it with russia and opening a second front. They didnt win the war but germany was able to take over several countries for a good chunk of time i think ...
Yeah
if they'd finished off Britain before attempting to take the oilfields in Russia they likely would still control all of europe
It was kind of retarded. They had a non-aggression pact and everything with them.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:31 am
by Eziekial
Germany would have won the war if Hitler had not be making decisions. He stopped the advance on Dunkirk where the army was trapped. He stopped the U-boat blockade of England, he ordered the assult on Moscow.. all against the advise of his generals.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:11 am
by Spazz
Yea thats pretty much what i thought.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:28 am
by dammuzis
hitler was generally loved and respected by the vast majority of the citizenry of germany
you cannot make the same claim about the clown bush
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:39 pm
by Yamori
Minrott wrote:He was?
Seriously, when was the last time Germany won a war?
Think he was referring to Hitler taking power in Germany.
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If not, he did kind of militarily take over France and Poland and such.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:43 pm
by Narrock
dammuzis wrote:hitler was generally loved and respected by the vast majority of the citizenry of germany
you cannot make the same claim about the clown bush
That was before he started rounding up the Jews.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:49 pm
by Tikker
Narrock wrote:dammuzis wrote:hitler was generally loved and respected by the vast majority of the citizenry of germany
you cannot make the same claim about the clown bush
That was before he started rounding up the Jews.
nope, he was pretty much well loved regardless of what he was doing to non-germans
it wasn't really until the war turned against them that people started to question him
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:51 pm
by Zanchief
Narrock wrote:dammuzis wrote:hitler was generally loved and respected by the vast majority of the citizenry of germany
you cannot make the same claim about the clown bush
That was before he started rounding up the Jews.
Zealots like you are the reason people like Hitler are possible.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:52 pm
by Arlos
Actually, that didn't dip his popularity among the Germans at all, unfortunately. If anything, it improved it. Germany at the time was extremely anti-semitic. While Hitler and the Nazis fanned the flames of that hatred, it was already well entrancehd and pre-existant.
Remember, rounding up the Jews was spun as preserving Germany for the Germans, ie, the Aryan Germans that were above all in the nazi philosophy.
Honestly, Hitler remained quite popular with the general populace well into 43 or 44, if not longer. When the assassination attempt happened in 44, it was only done by a relatively small cabal of officers, most of the general populace was horrified.
I'm a big WW2 history buff, so I've read a ton about the war, is how I know. It wasn't until the disaster of the Eastern Front was known, and the major allied bombing campaigns started flattening entire cities that people stopped "loving" Hitler en masse, and even then, there were no major populist movements to remove him from power.
When asked after the war what they thought had happened to all the Jews that were rounded up, most German citizens plead ignorance about the death camps, they stated that they assumed they'd just been deported.
-Arlos
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:57 pm
by Narrock
arlos wrote:Actually, that didn't dip his popularity among the Germans at all, unfortunately. If anything, it improved it. Germany at the time was extremely anti-semitic. While Hitler and the Nazis fanned the flames of that hatred, it was already well entrancehd and pre-existant.
Remember, rounding up the Jews was spun as preserving Germany for the Germans, ie, the Aryan Germans that were above all in the nazi philosophy.
Honestly, Hitler remained quite popular with the general populace well into 43 or 44, if not longer. When the assassination attempt happened in 44, it was only done by a relatively small cabal of officers, most of the general populace was horrified.
I'm a big WW2 history buff, so I've read a ton about the war, is how I know. It wasn't until the disaster of the Eastern Front was known, and the major allied bombing campaigns started flattening entire cities that people stopped "loving" Hitler en masse, and even then, there were no major populist movements to remove him from power.
When asked after the war what they thought had happened to all the Jews that were rounded up, most German citizens plead ignorance about the death camps, they stated that they assumed they'd just been deported.
-Arlos
Who would've guessed you were going to take that stance? /snicker. I'll take my family's word for it. Why do you think there was such a mass migration OUT of Germany during the war? You know... the Germans that fled and went to America (like my grandparents) and a lot of others went to S. America and Canada. It was because they DIDN'T like what Hitler was doing.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:01 pm
by Tikker
Narrock wrote:arlos wrote:Actually, that didn't dip his popularity among the Germans at all, unfortunately. If anything, it improved it. Germany at the time was extremely anti-semitic. While Hitler and the Nazis fanned the flames of that hatred, it was already well entrancehd and pre-existant.
Remember, rounding up the Jews was spun as preserving Germany for the Germans, ie, the Aryan Germans that were above all in the nazi philosophy.
Honestly, Hitler remained quite popular with the general populace well into 43 or 44, if not longer. When the assassination attempt happened in 44, it was only done by a relatively small cabal of officers, most of the general populace was horrified.
I'm a big WW2 history buff, so I've read a ton about the war, is how I know. It wasn't until the disaster of the Eastern Front was known, and the major allied bombing campaigns started flattening entire cities that people stopped "loving" Hitler en masse, and even then, there were no major populist movements to remove him from power.
When asked after the war what they thought had happened to all the Jews that were rounded up, most German citizens plead ignorance about the death camps, they stated that they assumed they'd just been deported.
-Arlos
Who would've guessed you were going to take that stance? /snicker. I'll take my family's word for it. Why do you think there was such a mass migration OUT of Germany during the war? You know... the Germans that fled and went to America (like my grandparents) and a lot of others went to S. America and Canada. It was because they DIDN'T like what Hitler was doing.
They were still the minority
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:04 pm
by Yamori
From what I've heard, lots of Germans actually didn't know about the holocaust until after the fact (or rather, were not aware of what exactly was going on - and/or the extent to which it was).
Ie, even Hitler's personal secretary was not aware that there were death camps until the war had ended.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:04 pm
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:Narrock wrote:arlos wrote:Actually, that didn't dip his popularity among the Germans at all, unfortunately. If anything, it improved it. Germany at the time was extremely anti-semitic. While Hitler and the Nazis fanned the flames of that hatred, it was already well entrancehd and pre-existant.
Remember, rounding up the Jews was spun as preserving Germany for the Germans, ie, the Aryan Germans that were above all in the nazi philosophy.
Honestly, Hitler remained quite popular with the general populace well into 43 or 44, if not longer. When the assassination attempt happened in 44, it was only done by a relatively small cabal of officers, most of the general populace was horrified.
I'm a big WW2 history buff, so I've read a ton about the war, is how I know. It wasn't until the disaster of the Eastern Front was known, and the major allied bombing campaigns started flattening entire cities that people stopped "loving" Hitler en masse, and even then, there were no major populist movements to remove him from power.
When asked after the war what they thought had happened to all the Jews that were rounded up, most German citizens plead ignorance about the death camps, they stated that they assumed they'd just been deported.
-Arlos
Who would've guessed you were going to take that stance? /snicker. I'll take my family's word for it. Why do you think there was such a mass migration OUT of Germany during the war? You know... the Germans that fled and went to America (like my grandparents) and a lot of others went to S. America and Canada. It was because they DIDN'T like what Hitler was doing.
They were still the minority
Because most people didn't have the means to leave.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:11 pm
by Arlos
Yeah, there was a lot of people that fled, but there are people that flee every war.
You want grandparent stories, how about mine: My mom's parents lived in Trieste, which by the 30s was owned by Italy. My grandfather was a Naval Architect, who designed ships for a living. One day he got a official letter, accompanied by 2 large uniformed individuals. The gist of the letter was as follows: 1) His last name was to now be officially changed from Von Humling (Trieste was originally part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, thus the austrian last name) and was now going to be Mellini. 2) He and his family was going to be moving, now, from Trieste down to Rome to design Battleships for the Italian Navy.
He was forced into that for a couple years, and was instrumental in the design of the Battleship "Roma" (if I remember right), which caused the allies numerous difficulties during the war. After a few years, he fled Europe, and my grandmother followed a year later. They went to a place they considered to be in th emiddle of nowhere and where nothing would bother them. Unfortunately, that place was the Philippenes. So, he spent the rest of the war in a Japanese prison camp as one of the leaders of the underground resistance, and nearly got beheaded for his trouble.
Anyway, grandparent-peen measuring aside, yes, there were people who fled Germany. Compare the number of people who fled to the number of people that stayed, and you will find that the non-Jewish people who left were a relatively insignificant fraction of the total population.
-Arlos
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:27 pm
by Tikker
Narrock wrote:Tikker wrote:Narrock wrote:arlos wrote:Actually, that didn't dip his popularity among the Germans at all, unfortunately. If anything, it improved it. Germany at the time was extremely anti-semitic. While Hitler and the Nazis fanned the flames of that hatred, it was already well entrancehd and pre-existant.
Remember, rounding up the Jews was spun as preserving Germany for the Germans, ie, the Aryan Germans that were above all in the nazi philosophy.
Honestly, Hitler remained quite popular with the general populace well into 43 or 44, if not longer. When the assassination attempt happened in 44, it was only done by a relatively small cabal of officers, most of the general populace was horrified.
I'm a big WW2 history buff, so I've read a ton about the war, is how I know. It wasn't until the disaster of the Eastern Front was known, and the major allied bombing campaigns started flattening entire cities that people stopped "loving" Hitler en masse, and even then, there were no major populist movements to remove him from power.
When asked after the war what they thought had happened to all the Jews that were rounded up, most German citizens plead ignorance about the death camps, they stated that they assumed they'd just been deported.
-Arlos
Who would've guessed you were going to take that stance? /snicker. I'll take my family's word for it. Why do you think there was such a mass migration OUT of Germany during the war? You know... the Germans that fled and went to America (like my grandparents) and a lot of others went to S. America and Canada. It was because they DIDN'T like what Hitler was doing.
They were still the minority
Because most people didn't have the means to leave.
feel free to quote some numbers on the percentage who wanted to leave vs those that couldn't afford
unless you can find that, I'd like to know where you're actually coming up with your arguement
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:29 pm
by Minrott
My point was that any country can roll in with overhwelming force for a few years. Which Germany did. In the end they were driven back and had their country split in two.
When was the last time Germany won a war? There's some book out there called the Fallacy of German Military Superiority or something to that effect.
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:43 pm
by Ginzburgh
Arlos, I think you have some great points. But for Christ sakes, are you capable of posting a thought in 20 words or less?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:32 pm
by Arlos
Nope.
-Arlos
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:50 pm
by DESX
Big mistake germany made was that they thought that if they declared war on the U.S. after they declared war on japan after pearl harbor, that they would recieve help from japan and loosen the heat up off russia. I could see japan taking over russia. They got some shit done during the rusojapanese war. Also I will compare bush to hitler when he orders the extermination of a few million jews.