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Bucker of systems

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:20 pm
by Minrott
We recently moved, and now the better half is trying to get me to change the address on my drivers license. Now, of course I'm going to do this, however, I said I don't really have to, because there is no state statute that requires me to change the address on my license. She replies that they (the State Patrol) would like a person to do it within 10 days of moving. I then looked up the statute in question which verbatim is

Whenever any person, after applying for and receiving registration plates, moves from the address named in the application for the registration plates or when the name of the licensee is changed by marriage or otherwise, the person shall within 10 days notify the department in writing of the old and new address or of such former and new names and of all registration plate numbers held.


which mentions nothing of changing your address on your drivers license itself. She says, "Why do you always have to buck the system?"

Which eludes to the point of this post. I'm not bucking the system. The State Patrol is bucking the system by voicing their wants and desires as if they were law. It is not my responsibility to appease the desire of any bureaucracy, and I find it ridiculous that uniformed and armed agents of said bureaucracy feel the need to pass off those wants and desires in a fashion that makes people feel like they will be penalized in some way if they do not comply.

Am I a bucker of systems? I follow the law. The speed limit says 65, and I drive it. If I'm going 70 and get pulled over, I don't complain or whine or curse, I know that I broke the rules and am paying the price. We as citizens have some form of control over our government, albeit small, in the voting booth. This precipitates our still smaller control over the laws that are written or repealed. However, just because we have some say in what our congress does, doesn't mean we have any say in what the bureaucracies of that government want or desire.

Why is it that for some reason people feel the need to comply with agencies like the DOT, or DOE, or DNR when their requests are not backed up by written law? Why is it that someone like me who doesn't feel so enamored with shiny badges and men with guns is a bucker of systems for pointing out that as a free man I do not have to comply with demands made above and beyond written law? (This doesn't apply to blanket laws, like obstructing an officer for instance, there's no state statute that says I can't sing at the top of my lungs during a traffic stop, but I could be obstructing an officer by doing so).

If a governmental bureaucracy is allowed to issue wants or desires, they are influencing the letter of the law outside the constitutional checks and balances. They are enforcing restrictions without the electorates approval, and as far as I'm concerned committing toletarian action by doing so, no matter how minor it seems.

Opinions?

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:29 pm
by Harrison
It's because right from the start at a young age, you are forced to do everything.

You have no choice, no options, until you are out of that pathetic excuse for a school system. This pretty much ensures that you have a whole flock of mindless sheep from the get-go who never do anything for themselves.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:54 pm
by Martrae
Harrison pretty much hit it on the head.

Not to derail this into yet another homeschool thread, but homeschoolers deal with issues like this every day. Many schools ignore the law and try to impose whatever ideas they think should be required to homeschool.

If it's not required I wouldn't do it, Min.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:35 pm
by Narrock
Post a pic of yourself Mar. You guys posted your brood, now let's see you and Kahar.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:39 pm
by Spazz
Your such a goon.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:42 pm
by Gaazy
Good god I hate going to the DMV. Fucking despise clearing out a whole afternoon just to get little stupid shit done there.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:42 pm
by Narrock
spazz wrote:Your such a goon.


Merry Christmas Spazz! Was Santa good to you this year?

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:05 pm
by Tuggan
Narrock wrote:Post a pic of yourself Mar. You guys posted your brood, now let's see you and Kahar.


That was rather random.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:07 pm
by Jay
Post em up sugartits.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:10 pm
by Minrott
I'm still going to change the address on my license, I'm just not worried about some 10 day period that state troopers feel the have the right to chastize me over. It's inconvenient not to have the correct address on there, but the principle is what annoys me.

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:22 pm
by Tikker
Minrott wrote:I'm still going to change the address on my license, I'm just not worried about some 10 day period that state troopers feel the have the right to chastize me over. It's inconvenient not to have the correct address on there, but the principle is what annoys me.


meh

sometimes it's just easier to tell people to get something trivial done rather than rely on Joe Q Public to get it done on their own

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:03 am
by Tossica
Here is why you should change your address on your license.

I got my license suspended a while back and since I did not change my address on my license, they sent the suspension notice to the addess listed and I never received it. I then got pulled over for driving with a suspended license which I didn't know I had.

It sucked.

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:17 am
by Martrae
Minrott wrote:I'm still going to change the address on my license, I'm just not worried about some 10 day period that state troopers feel the have the right to chastize me over. It's inconvenient not to have the correct address on there, but the principle is what annoys me.



That's what I meant. :)

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:47 am
by Gaazy
I lost my wallet at a bar one time and someone found it and I guess and couldnt locate me so they mailed it~

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:56 pm
by kinghooter00
State trooper let me go the other day when he found out i was driving with a suspended drivers license. He told me merry christmas and go home. I obeyed that.
Nothing to do with the thread i guess but it just reminded me.

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:30 pm
by Gypsiyee
Well, being in Wisconsin myself Min.. I'll tell you that I was pulled over for a crack in my windshield and got a warning - he also said that I was to notify the dmv of my address change because my license was not current.

I notified the DMV, sure - I did not have my license changed, and my warning was let go just fine. So sure, notify the dmv of your address change, but you aren't obligated to pay the fee for a new license.

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:23 pm
by Minrott
Right. That's fine, and that trooper apparently knows the statute. Everyone is fixating on the example and not the idea however.

Except Tikker, who gave a response I kind of expected:

sometimes it's just easier to tell people to get something trivial done rather than rely on Joe Q Public to get it done on their own


My point being, I don't need to be told what an agent of a bureaucracy thinks, wants or desires, unless there is a law requiring me to obey that demand. Any demands issued outside the law are warrantless, demeaning, and smacking of closet aristocracy (I have a badge, therefore you must do as I say.) The example I used isn't important and may seem insignifigant (it is) but the principle behind it is the difference between a free state and the beginning of a police one.

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:29 pm
by Harrison
As I said, to think otherwise is just not not going to happen with the hand-fed sheep raised to obey everything as if it is law without questioning if it is coming from an "authority figure".

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:12 am
by Tikker
Minrott wrote:Right. That's fine, and that trooper apparently knows the statute. Everyone is fixating on the example and not the idea however.

Except Tikker, who gave a response I kind of expected:

sometimes it's just easier to tell people to get something trivial done rather than rely on Joe Q Public to get it done on their own


My point being, I don't need to be told what an agent of a bureaucracy thinks, wants or desires, unless there is a law requiring me to obey that demand. Any demands issued outside the law are warrantless, demeaning, and smacking of closet aristocracy (I have a badge, therefore you must do as I say.) The example I used isn't important and may seem insignifigant (it is) but the principle behind it is the difference between a free state and the beginning of a police one.


my point is 99% of people are too stupid to remember to get trivial things done

I really don't see the issue with a cop telling you to get it done

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:00 pm
by AndyM
Never been to Wisconsin - I'm allergic to cheese. =)

I think the relevant statute is http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0343.pdf

Specifically, Section 343.22 - sections 2 and 4 - section 2 says you have to notify them within 10 days, and section 4 says if you don't they can fine you up to $50.

So yeah, there does seem to be a law.

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:58 pm
by Jay
Hi who are you?

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:00 pm
by Tikker
that's Andy

everyone else knows him

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:02 pm
by Lueyen
Jay meet AndyM, AndyM meet Jay.

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:02 pm
by Jay
Oh AndyM. Hey what's up?

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:07 pm
by Martrae
Don't you guys know anything...that's Durok.