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Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:53 pm
by Phlegm
The liberals. In a new book "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11" by Dinesh D'Souza.
“In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11. … In faulting the cultural left, I am not making the absurd accusation that this group blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world. The Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks were the product of this visceral rage—some of it based on legitimate concerns, some of it based on wrongful prejudice, but all of it fueled and encouraged by the cultural left. Thus without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened.
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:54 pm
by Spazz
I think i saw that dude on the colbert report. I thought he was a total clown.
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:49 pm
by Narrock
Phlegm wrote:The liberals. In a new book "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11" by Dinesh D'Souza.
“In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11. … In faulting the cultural left, I am not making the absurd accusation that this group blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world. The Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks were the product of this visceral rage—some of it based on legitimate concerns, some of it based on wrongful prejudice, but all of it fueled and encouraged by the cultural left. Thus without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened.
He's absolutely right. The attitude/lifestyle of the left is what is pissing off the Muslims.
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:39 pm
by Yamori
Narrock wrote:
He's absolutely right. The attitude/lifestyle of the left is what is pissing off the Muslims.
What a relief... and here I thought it was the never ending barrage of US military, economic, and political intervention and scheming in the region. I'm glad the secular progressives are the cause of that rabid hate, and not:
-Having the CIA Assasinate Iran's democratically elected leader in the 50s and propping up a US-friendly dictator that heavily infringed on civil rights.
-Aiding Iraq during their war with Iran - a war which resulted in 100,000 dead Iranians.
-Helping Saddam into power. And then removing him from power. Add anywhere from 50,000 to several 100,000's dead civilians, a completely ruined country, and years of fascist oppression into the mix as the result. Oops.
-Tons of US troops (who are seen as dangerous and untrustworthy foreigners) stationed all over the middle east. Nothin like having foreign troops in your back yard to light a fire under your belly. Imagine what it would be like to have clusters of USSR or Red China troops in your state or a neighboring state, or several bases on the Mexico or Canadian border. It's the same for them.
-Significantly funding Israel's military (which is a member of the nuclear club, woot), which happens to be the fundamentalist Islamic countries' mortal enemy. Again, think of the USSR pumping loads of money into Cuba's military capabilities and what our response was. What if Cuba was connected to the US by land and only a couple states distances away, and they had a far superior military to ours thanks to that foriegn aid? Yikes.
-All of those dead people were someone else's father, brother, child, or friend. That tends to piss people off.
-Lots more I'm sure.
It's horrific that all of this shit has been caused by a handful of chickenhawks, most of whom aren't even accountable to the voters.
Now add all this with the problem of Islam basically being the most deranged and violent major religion in the world (if it's taken literally), piss-poor literacy rates and little access to information in poorer middle eastern countries, and no real economy or industry outside of oil. Uneducated people with nothing to do, an extremely limited range of experience, a major grudge, and a violent religious dogma. It's about as perfect a breeding ground for people that feel like blowing up random innocent civilians as you can get.
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:52 pm
by Tikker
awesome, the ninja post deletions are happening again!
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:20 am
by Zanchief
Narrock wrote:Phlegm wrote:The liberals. In a new book "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11" by Dinesh D'Souza.
“In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11. … In faulting the cultural left, I am not making the absurd accusation that this group blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world. The Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks were the product of this visceral rage—some of it based on legitimate concerns, some of it based on wrongful prejudice, but all of it fueled and encouraged by the cultural left. Thus without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened.
He's absolutely right. The attitude/lifestyle of the left is what is pissing off the Muslims.
Since when are you interested in caving to the demands of muslim terrorists? If they hated Ford trucks and cowboy hats would that change your opinion of them? It makes no difference what "they" hate.
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:25 pm
by Jesus
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:13 pm
by Jay
Tikker wrote:awesome, the ninja post deletions are happening again!
One of your posts?
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:17 pm
by Tikker
yup
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:58 pm
by Martrae
Again...nothing in the logs....
weird that it only happens to you
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:45 am
by Evermore
Narrock wrote:Phlegm wrote:The liberals. In a new book "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11" by Dinesh D'Souza.
“In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11. … In faulting the cultural left, I am not making the absurd accusation that this group blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I am saying that the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the nonprofit sector, and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world. The Muslims who carried out the 9/11 attacks were the product of this visceral rage—some of it based on legitimate concerns, some of it based on wrongful prejudice, but all of it fueled and encouraged by the cultural left. Thus without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened.
He's absolutely right. The attitude/lifestyle of the left is what is pissing off the Muslims.
Horseshit Yamori is closer to the truth then this idiot.
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:33 pm
by Lueyen
Zanchief wrote:Since when are you interested in caving to the demands of muslim terrorists? If they hated Ford trucks and cowboy hats would that change your opinion of them? It makes no difference what "they" hate.
I think you are spot on there. I get equally annoyed with both sides of the political spectrum playing the blame game. To try and lay blame for the root cause of Muslim terrorist hatred toward us, you must first accept that we are to blame, and I make no apologies for the US ideologies of freedom and liberty that are incompatible with their interpretation of Islam.
While it is reasonable to argue that one or both sides actions or methods contribute and fuel the fire of hate, it is atrocious to me to lay complete blame at the feet of anyone except those who perpetuated the events of 9/11 and rationalized doing so via a core religious belief and interpretation that makes confrontation and strife unavoidable.
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:53 pm
by Tikker
Martrae wrote:Again...nothing in the logs....
weird that it only happens to you
it's also suspiciously odd that it's only certain types of posts, with certain common message that goes missing
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:28 pm
by Narrock
Lueyen wrote:Zanchief wrote:Since when are you interested in caving to the demands of muslim terrorists? If they hated Ford trucks and cowboy hats would that change your opinion of them? It makes no difference what "they" hate.
I think you are spot on there. I get equally annoyed with both sides of the political spectrum playing the blame game. To try and lay blame for the root cause of Muslim terrorist hatred toward us, you must first accept that we are to blame, and I make no apologies for the US ideologies of freedom and liberty that are incompatible with their interpretation of Islam.
While it is reasonable to argue that one or both sides actions or methods contribute and fuel the fire of hate, it is atrocious to me to lay complete blame at the feet of anyone except those who perpetuated the events of 9/11 and rationalized doing so via a core religious belief and interpretation that makes confrontation and strife unavoidable.
Yes Lueyen, but I've heard terrorists
quoted saying why they hate the west, and the attitude/lifestyle of the left is what they particularly despise. Yes, they also hate on things that Yamori stated... I'm not denying that. They also view
anybody as an enemy if they are not Muslim (ie: if you're not a Muslim you're an infidel, period... no matter what your political affiliation is).
I have a cousin in Germany who has a PhD in Theology and has written several books on religion. He has read and studied the Quran, and said that if the Muslims were to adhere strictly to what the Quran states, then their religion would be peaceful. I have to disagree with him on the point that in the Quran it does state, "slay the infidels, wherever you find them."
There has been a twisted interpretation of the Quran by key Muslim leaders centuries ago, and unfortunately that interpretation has been manifested in generation after generation of their followers starting at an early childhood age, and it seems they are getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:34 pm
by Tikker
Narrock wrote:
I have a cousin in Germany who has a PhD in Theology and has written several books on religion. He has read and studied the Bible, and said that if the Christians were to adhere strictly to what the Bible states, then their religion would be peaceful. I have to disagree with him on the point that in the Bible it does state, "slay the non-christians, wherever you find them."
There has been a twisted interpretation of the Bible by key Christian leaders centuries ago, and unfortunately that interpretation has been manifested in generation after generation of their followers starting at an early childhood age, and it seems they are getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Re: Guess who is getting blame for 9/11 now?
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:37 pm
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:Narrock wrote:
I have a cousin in Germany who has a PhD in Theology and has written several books on religion. He has read and studied the Bible, and said that if the Christians were to adhere strictly to what the Bible states, then their religion would be peaceful. I have to disagree with him on the point that in the Bible it does state, "slay the non-christians, wherever you find them."
There has been a twisted interpretation of the Bible by key Christian leaders centuries ago, and unfortunately that interpretation has been manifested in generation after generation of their followers starting at an early childhood age, and it seems they are getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Yeah because Christians are going around killing every non-Christian they find...
p.s. the Crusades were long over, pal
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:23 pm
by Tikker
Just like every muslin is going around kill every non-muslim
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:55 pm
by Lueyen
Tikker I'm really lost as to what you are trying to get at here.
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:41 pm
by Tikker
My point is relevant to hypocritical bible thumpers like Mindia
people who spend all their time down on 1 religion(or race, or whatever) yet ignore all of the things that folks of their ilk do
the whole "i'm right no matter what" mind frame irks the shit out of me
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:35 pm
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:My point is relevant to hypocritical bible thumpers like Mindia
people who spend all their time down on 1 religion(or race, or whatever) yet ignore all of the things that folks of their ilk do
the whole "i'm right no matter what" mind frame irks the shit out of me
and you irk the shit out of me
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:25 pm
by Lueyen
Tikker wrote:My point is relevant to hypocritical bible thumpers like Mindia
people who spend all their time down on 1 religion(or race, or whatever) yet ignore all of the things that folks of their ilk do
the whole "i'm right no matter what" mind frame irks the shit out of me
As I recall he's pretty critical of Catholicism, of course the reasons for his dislike lie in more of a dogmatic domain and teaching then of actions on the world stage. Maybe he's more critical of actions supposedly done in the name of Islam vs Catholicism, but I suspect that has more to do with the fact that terrorists on 9/11 cited Islam as a justification and not Catholicisim.
I'm quite sure Mindia would take issue with any peoples believing any religious doctrine was a mandate to kill those who did not believe in it.
Nice attempt at a pigeon hole, but it didn't go unnoticed here. Consider this, radical Muslims and especially terrorists employ the same tactic you just did. They trumpet that to attack or disagree with them is to attack or disagree with Islam, and nothing is further from the truth.
Look at the two statements:
Narrock wrote:Yeah because Christians are going around killing every non-Christian they find...
Tikker wrote:Just like every muslin is going around kill every non-muslim
In your echoing of Mindia's statement you changed it from an implied "some" to "every", and in doing so painted Mindia's disgust with Muslim terrorists as disgust with Islam it's self. It's a bullshit tactic in any debate or discussion. I'm quite sure he has issues with the teaching of Islam from the stand point that he disagrees with the teachings of the faith, but there is a stark difference in not agreeing with Islam's teachings on a theological level and condemning terrorist acts done in the name of Islam.
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:44 pm
by Tikker
Lueyen wrote:In your echoing of Mindia's statement you changed it from an implied "some" to "every", and in doing so painted Mindia's disgust with Muslim terrorists as disgust with Islam it's self. It's a bullshit tactic in any debate or discussion. I'm quite sure he has issues with the teaching of Islam from the stand point that he disagrees with the teachings of the faith, but there is a stark difference in not agreeing with Islam's teachings on a theological level and condemning terrorist acts done in the name of Islam.
you're reading WAY too much into the extra every at the start foolman
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:04 pm
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:Lueyen wrote:In your echoing of Mindia's statement you changed it from an implied "some" to "every", and in doing so painted Mindia's disgust with Muslim terrorists as disgust with Islam it's self. It's a bullshit tactic in any debate or discussion. I'm quite sure he has issues with the teaching of Islam from the stand point that he disagrees with the teachings of the faith, but there is a stark difference in not agreeing with Islam's teachings on a theological level and condemning terrorist acts done in the name of Islam.
you're reading WAY too much into the extra every at the start foolman
uh-huh, whatever.
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:05 am
by Gargamellow
Just because some asshole writes a book does not make it the truth.
CONSIDER THE SOURCE
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:15 am
by Tikker
Narrock wrote:Tikker wrote:Lueyen wrote:In your echoing of Mindia's statement you changed it from an implied "some" to "every", and in doing so painted Mindia's disgust with Muslim terrorists as disgust with Islam it's self. It's a bullshit tactic in any debate or discussion. I'm quite sure he has issues with the teaching of Islam from the stand point that he disagrees with the teachings of the faith, but there is a stark difference in not agreeing with Islam's teachings on a theological level and condemning terrorist acts done in the name of Islam.
you're reading WAY too much into the extra every at the start foolman
uh-huh, whatever.
have you ever actually had an original thought of your own?
