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Virgin births

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:31 pm
by Phlegm
For those that don't believe ...


From Associated Press:

CHESTER, England - Scientists unveiled five squirmy black and yellow Komodo dragons Wednesday that were the product of a virgin birth, predicting that the hatchlings offered hope for breeding the endangered species.

Flora, the Komodo dragon, has produced five hatchlings although a male has never been close to her, the proud staff at the Chester Zoo said.

“Flora is oblivious to the excitement she has caused, but we are delighted to say she is now a mum and dad,” said a delighted Kevin Buley, the zoo’s curator of lower vertebrates and invertebrates.

The shells began cracking last week, after an eight-month gestation period, which culminated with arrival on Tuesday of the fifth dragon. Two more eggs remained to be hatched.

“The implications for conservation breeding programs are enormous because this opens up a new way that animals can potentially colonize an island,” Buley said. “A female could swim to a new island, lay a clutch of eggs, then mate with sons and be sexually producing normally within a generation.”

The dragons range from 16 inches to nearly 18 inches long (40 to 45 centimeters) and weigh between 3½ and 4½ ounces (100 to 125 grams), Buley said.

The hatchlings were in good health and feeding on a diet of crickets and locusts.

When fully grown to 10 feet (3 meters) long and weighing about 300 pounds (135 kilograms), they’ll be capable of eating a whole pig or deer at one sitting, hooves and all.

That ravenous appetite explains why Flora isn’t allowed anywhere near her offspring.

“No maternal instincts exist in Komodos so it is perfectly natural to keep them as far apart as possible,” Buley said. “She would try to eat anything that comes in front of her.”


About 70 reptile species including snakes and lizards are known to reproduce asexually in a process known as parthenogenesis. But Flora’s virginal conception, and that of another Komodo dragon in April at the London Zoo, are the first documented in Komodo dragons.

The two virgin conceptions were announced in September in a scientific paper in the journal Nature.

Komodos are native to the arid volcanic Lesser Sunda Islands in Indonesia, and are named for the island where they were discovered in 1910.

The giant lizards are considered endangered, with fewer than 4,000 surviving in the wild and facing encroachment from humans.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:33 pm
by Ginzburgh
For those that don't believe what? That there are asexual lizards in the world?

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:12 pm
by Trielelvan
They are extremely rare. I seriously doubt most people in the world are even aware of them. :dunno:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:19 pm
by Zanchief
Trielelvan wrote:They are extremely rare. I seriously doubt most people in the world are even aware of them. :dunno:


It's that what Jurassic Park is about?

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:28 pm
by Ginzburgh
No, those lizards were denied the male chromosome by the genetic engineers of Jurassic park therefore all lizards on Jurassic park were female. However when Dennis Nedry attempted to smuggle stolen embryos off the island he got into a car accident and dropped the embryos in some mud which led to male lizards being born.

They should have heeded the advice of Jeff Goldblum's charector when he warned that, "life finds a way".

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:31 pm
by Maeya
I feel like a loser for correcting you, but the dropped embryos had nothing to do with males being born. Males were born because the DNA was filled in with frog DNA, and according to Dr. Grant, in the wild, frogs can switch from male to female to even out the population.

:depressed:

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:33 pm
by Ginzburgh
Damnit! How could I be so stupid!

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:43 pm
by Tossica
If two clownfish pair up that are both of the same sex, one of them will change sex. Craziness.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:15 pm
by araby
Tossica wrote:If two clownfish pair up that are both of the same sex, one of them will change sex. Craziness.


hmm, wonder if my best friend would reconsider her gay clown fish tattoo...

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:51 pm
by Burgy99
sooooooo basically, nature is gay.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:54 pm
by Narrock
Burgy99 wrote:sooooooo basically, nature is gay.


:umno: the exact opposite. Nature tries to correct gayness.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:06 pm
by Ginzburgh
So how many times have you been struck by lightning?

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:07 pm
by Ginzburgh
ZING!

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:16 pm
by Jay
*crickets*

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:50 pm
by Narrock
Jay wrote:*crickets*


lol no shit

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:00 pm
by Jay
Actually I chuckled a bit I just put *crickets* because he had to ZING himself.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:47 am
by brinstar
DID SHEPHERDS AND MAGI VISIT THE KOMODO DRAGONS WITH GIFTS OF GOLD, FRANKINCENSE, AND MYRRH?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:05 am
by Gargamellow
there is nothing wrong with being gay...it is biological..monkeys bump uglies all the time

small minds make for republican presidents

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:11 am
by araby
Gargamellow wrote:there is nothing wrong with being gay...it is biological..monkeys bump uglies all the time

small minds make for republican presidents


you should make bumper stickers

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:51 am
by Xaiveir
Narrock wrote:
Burgy99 wrote:sooooooo basically, nature is gay.


:umno: the exact opposite. Nature tries to correct gayness.



Not sure how you came to the conclusion that nature, or in this case some amphibians "get corrected of gayness".


Its the ability to adapt, or evolve if you will to their surroundings and preserve their own species. I doubt very seriously frogs think, we cant have gay frogs, quick change from male to female hurry!


Amphibians knack for adapting (evolve there is that word again), has been a key contributer for being around millions of years (or all 6 days as the christians would put it), and other species have long since passed on.


But since some dont believe in evolving......here is an explanation for you. They cut off eachothers wangs, to ensure that some frogs do not turn gay. Yes, thats why.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:58 am
by araby
there isn't evidence to support that animals think consciously, for their own benefit, other than in survival instincts. they make decisions, but based on avoiding suffering and survival. they do not seek happiness, and therefore cannot make choices that affect it. human beings do, though.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:01 pm
by Phlegm
brinstar wrote:DID SHEPHERDS AND MAGI VISIT THE KOMODO DRAGONS WITH GIFTS OF GOLD, FRANKINCENSE, AND MYRRH?


Nah. The camels drowned in the Channel so the Magi are stuck in France.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:08 pm
by Xaiveir
araby wrote:there isn't evidence to support that animals think consciously, for their own benefit, other than in survival instincts. they make decisions, but based on avoiding suffering and survival. they do not seek happiness, and therefore cannot make choices that affect it. human beings do, though.



In some species of animals there is scientific proof that they can, and do seek pleasure, and for their own benefit. Dolphins and Monkeys both have been studied, and proof exists.

But the large majority, yes they is no proof that they seek these things.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:11 pm
by Jay
The way I see is there is something wrong about being gay. It's just not a huge enough problem for me to take a stance against it.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:11 pm
by Darcler
Shut up, faggot.