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Since you were going to be posting a letter which you claim shows that everything in Iraq is going just wonderfully, I figured I would share with you a post from a moderately famous Iraqi female citizen, who's been posting about the average Iraqi's opinion of the war and the US since it all started. Oh yes, they love us. Honest.

As I write this, Oprah is on Channel 4 (one of the MBC channels we get on Nilesat), showing Americans how to get out of debt. Her guest speaker is telling a studio full of American women who seem to have over-shopped that they could probably do with fewer designer products. As they talk about increasing incomes and fortunes, Sabrine Al-Janabi, a young Iraqi woman, is on Al Jazeera telling how Iraqi security forces abducted her from her home and raped her. You can only see her eyes, her voice is hoarse and it keeps breaking as she speaks. In the end she tells the reporter that she can’t talk about it anymore and she covers her eyes with shame.

She might just be the bravest Iraqi woman ever. Everyone knows American forces and Iraqi security forces are raping women (and men), but this is possibly the first woman who publicly comes out and tells about it using her actual name. Hearing her tell her story physically makes my heart ache. Some people will call her a liar. Others (including pro-war Iraqis) will call her a prostitute- shame on you in advance.

I wonder what excuse they used when they took her. It’s most likely she’s one of the thousands of people they round up under the general headline of ‘terrorist suspect’. She might have been one of those subtitles you read on CNN or BBC or Arabiya, “13 insurgents captured by Iraqi security forces.” The men who raped her are those same security forces Bush and Condi are so proud of- you know- the ones the Americans trained. It’s a chapter right out of the book that documents American occupation in Iraq: the chapter that will tell the story of 14-year-old Abeer who was raped, killed and burned with her little sister and parents.

They abducted her from her house in an area in southern Baghdad called Hai Al Amil. No- it wasn’t a gang. It was Iraqi peace keeping or security forces- the ones trained by Americans? You know them. She was brutally gang-raped and is now telling the story. Half her face is covered for security reasons or reasons of privacy. I translated what she said below.

“I told him, ‘I don’t have anything [I did not do anything].’ He said, 'You don’t have anything?’ One of them threw me on the ground and my head hit the tiles. He did what he did- I mean he raped me. The second one came and raped me. The third one also raped me. [Pause- sobbing] I begged them and cried, and one of them covered my mouth. [Unclear, crying] Another one of them came and said, 'Are you finished? We also want our turn.' So they answered, ‘No, an American committee came.’ They took me to the judge.

Anchorwoman: Sabrine Al Janabi said that one of the security forces videotaped/photographed her and threatened to kill her if she told anyone about the rape. Another officer raped her after she saw the investigative judge.

Sabrine continuing:
“One of them, he said… I told him, ‘Please- by your father and mother- let me go.’ He said, ‘No, no- by my mother’s soul I’ll let you go- but on one condition, you give me one single thing.’ I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘[I want] to rape you.’ I told him, ‘No- I can’t.’ So he took me to a room with a weapon… It had a weapon, a Klashnikov, a small bed [Unclear], he sat me on it. So [the officer came] and told him, ‘Leave her to me.’ I swore to him on the Quran, I told him, ‘By the light of the Prophet I don’t do such things…’ He said, ‘You don’t do such things?’ I said, ‘Yes’.

[Crying] He picked up a black hose, like a pipe. He hit me on the thigh. [Crying] I told him, ‘What do you want from me? Do you want me to tell you rape me? But I can’t… I’m not one of those ***** [Prostitutes] I don’t do such things.’ So he said to me, ‘We take what we want and what we don’t want we kill. That’s that.’ [Sobbing] I can’t anymore… please, I can’t finish.”

I look at this woman and I can’t feel anything but rage. What did we gain? I know that looking at her, foreigners will never be able to relate. They’ll feel pity and maybe some anger, but she’s one of us. She’s not a girl in jeans and a t-shirt so there will only be a vague sort of sympathy. Poor third-world countries- that is what their womenfolk tolerate. Just know that we never had to tolerate this before. There was a time when Iraqis were safe in the streets. That time is long gone. We consoled ourselves after the war with the fact that we at least had a modicum of safety in our homes. Homes are sacred, aren’t they? That is gone too.


She’s just one of tens, possibly hundreds, of Iraqi women who are violated in their own homes and in Iraqi prisons. She looks like cousins I have. She looks like friends. She looks like a neighbor I sometimes used to pause to gossip with in the street. Every Iraqi who looks at her will see a cousin, a friend, a sister, a mother, an aunt…

Humanitarian organizations are warning that three Iraqi women are to be executed next month. The women are Wassan Talib, Zainab Fadhil and Liqa Omar Muhammad. They are being accused of 'terrorism', i.e. having ties to the Iraqi resistance. It could mean they are relatives of people suspected of being in the resistance. Or it could mean they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. One of them gave birth in the prison. I wonder what kind of torture they've endured. Let no one say Iraqi women didn't get at least SOME equality under the American occupation- we are now equally as likely to get executed.

And yet, as the situation continues to deteriorate both for Iraqis inside and outside of Iraq, and for Americans inside Iraq, Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation- are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse.

Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It’s worse. It’s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq’s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile.

and then she posted a follow-up shortly after:

As expected, Al Maliki is claiming the rape allegations are all lies. Apparently, his people simply asked the officers if they raped Sabrine Al Janabi and they said no. I'm so glad that's been cleared up.

I hate the media and I hate the Iraqi government for turning this atrocity into another Sunni-Shia debacle- like it matters whether Sabrine is Sunni or Shia or Arab or Kurd (the Al Janabi tribe is composed of both Sunnis and Shia). Maliki did not only turn the woman into a liar, he is rewarding the officers she accused. It's outrageous and maddening.

No Iraqi woman under the circumstances- under any circumstances- would publicly, falsely claim she was raped. There are just too many risks. There is the risk of being shunned socially. There is the risk of beginning an endless chain of retaliations and revenge killings between tribes. There is the shame of coming out publicly and talking about a subject so taboo, she and her husband are not only risking their reputations by telling this story, they are risking their lives.

No one would lie about something like this simply to undermine the Baghdad security operation. That can be done simply by calculating the dozens of dead this last week. Or by writing about the mass detentions of innocents, or how people are once again burying their valuables so that Iraqi and American troops don't steal them.

It was less than 14 hours between Sabrine's claims and Maliki's rewarding the people she accused. In 14 hours, Maliki not only established their innocence, but turned them into his own personal heroes. I wonder if Maliki would entrust the safety his own wife and daughter to these men.

This is meant to discourage other prisoners, especially women, from coming forward and making claims against Iraqi and American forces. Maliki is the stupidest man alive (well, after Bush of course…) if he believes his arrogance and callous handling of the situation will work to dismiss it from the minds of Iraqis. By doing what he is doing, he's making it more clear than ever that under his rule, under his government, vigilante justice is the only way to go. Why leave it to the security forces and police? Simply hire a militia or gang to get revenge. If he doesn't get some justice for her, her tribe will be forced to... And the Janabat (the Al Janabis) are a force to be reckoned with.

Maliki could at least pretend the rape of a young Iraqi woman is still an outrage in todays Iraq...

There are your "Iraqi Security Forces" for you. I feel so proud that our tax money is going to support them. Really. Especially when you consider how many of them moonlight in the sunni/shiia ethnic cleansing, and kidnap people, torture them, drill holes in their skulls with power drills, and then dump the bodies on street corners.

THIS is what our troops are dying to support. THIS is what we have sunk hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars into. THIS is what has cost us functionally all political goodwill around the world.

Supporters of this war make me physically sick.

-Arlos

I'm pretty sure not all American Forces are raping Iraqi women Arlos. I don't support the war either but posting an article on an interview of 1 person and saying "this is why I don't support the war" is kinda silly. There is other reasoning behind why this war shouldn't be happening. Posting 1 example and saying "see?" and saying that that's what our troops are dying to support is not only bullshit, but also it's a disgrace to what the real soldiers who believe they have a real cause to support are risking their lives daily to see that cause come to fruition. My 2 cents. Again I don't support the war either.

Perhaps not, but 1 is too many. And there's provably been at least 1, who raped someone who was what, 12? Then murdered her entire family and burnt their house down to cover it up? How many more have happened that have been unreported? We know it wasn't exactly unheard of in Vietnam, why should we expect any different in Iraq, especially when we sent so many people over there who's opinion of the people who's land they were occupying were to call them "Towel-heads" or "Sand-niggers"?

How many death and torture squads are there of Iraqi security personnel are there that WE are funding, if only indirectly?

So no, I'm sure not every soldier over there is raping and pillaging, but just once is enough to tar our image, especially when added on to Abu Gharib, the case where the squad just up and murdered the entire village, etc. These things stain our honor as a nation, regardless of whether or not they're isolated incidents or not.

Face it, this is an imperialist war promulgated by a small cabal of neocons, most (if not all) of whom had never seen combat, much les served in the military, who decided unilaterally on a doctrine of pre-emptive war that goes against everything this country has ever stood for, and it has gotten untold thousands upon thousands killed, for no good purpose. We never stood a chance of "winning" from the begining, as I and many others said. This war was doomed from the start. My one small silver cloud in all this is that those neocon's theories have been proven to be SO inaccurate that it will hopefully be the end of their ability to bring about such madness.

The people hate us, the government we propped up into place is made up of criminals and murdering thugs, and aren't liked or trusted by Iraqis either. The country is in the beginning stages of a civil war, and daily tens and hundres of people are kidnapped from their homes, never to be ssen alive again; only to be found on street corners where they were dumped after having been tortured to death. Oh yes, we have accomplished GREAT deeds.

-Arlos

The country is in the beginning stages of a civil war

I have friends in Iraq who say the civil war has been going for over a year.

We should either:

1. Leave, roll the dice and let them fend for themselves
2. Leave and drop the bomb in a low population area and say that if they dont get their act together, the next one will be right on.
3. Wipe the entire middle east off the face of the map

People need to know when they've been conquered.

And yes, they've been conquered. We have invaded their country, dismantled their government and reduced their land to rubble. It's our fault for not leaving. Instead we have the audacity to stick around in an attempt to force a peaceful resolution after all we have done.

Where and when did a squad murder an entier village? You are rather vague about it and simply put I don't believe I've seen any reports that are remotely close to that.

arlos wrote:Since you were going to be posting a letter which you claim shows that everything in Iraq is going just wonderfully, I figured I would share with you a post from a moderately famous Iraqi female citizen, who's been posting about the average Iraqi's opinion of the war and the US since it all started. Oh yes, they love us. Honest.

There are your "Iraqi Security Forces" for you. I feel so proud that our tax money is going to support them. Really. Especially when you consider how many of them moonlight in the sunni/shiia ethnic cleansing, and kidnap people, torture them, drill holes in their skulls with power drills, and then dump the bodies on street corners.

THIS is what our troops are dying to support. THIS is what we have sunk hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars into. THIS is what has cost us functionally all political goodwill around the world.

Supporters of this war make me physically sick.

-Arlos

That report was of Iraq people that were trained by American forces. As far as I know we don't train them to rape young girls. Here is the letter that I said I would post:

Subject: My view of Iraq


Following the article I sent about Bush's national address and troop increase, I thought it was a good idea to let you all know what the perspective is over here. I'm tired of hearing the media's skewed version, the politicians squabbling over what they read in a report, and the average ill-informed American ranting about things he knows NOTHING about.

I've been over here a couple of months now, and I've learned more about this country than a year's worth of watching CNN. I've sat in mission briefs with Colonels, talked with village elders, had tea with Shieks, played with the kids. And I agree with the President. We need more troops and we need to take greater action.

There are 3 major factions here. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. The Shiites are in the majority, but Saddam was a Sunni, so he kept the Shiites in check. Everyone hates the Kurds, who are Christian and in the vast minority. The Kurds received the brunt of Saddam's murderous tyranny. Now that Saddam is gone, the Shiites have taken control of Baghdad . The largely peaceful Sunnis are now the victims of radical Shiite terrorism. So the young Sunni men, who can no longer go to work and support their families, do what all young men would do. They join the Sunni militia and battle the Shiites. And thus the country sits on the brink of civil war.

But this war is between them. They largely do not concern themselves with the U.S. troops. The insurgents who battle the Coalition Forces are from outside the country. And the biggest problem down here isn't the insurgents. Its the politicians. The local politicians. Even though the country is controlled by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, downtown Baghdad is controlled by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The Shiites follow al-Sadr and thus the Prime Minister does what al-Sadr says. Think of it as if a warlord controlled New York and blackmailed the President into diplomatic immunity.

When 1st Cav (mainly 2/5 Cav) came here in 2004, they took downtown Baghdad (known as Sadr City ) by force. It cost many lives, but after a year, we held an iron grip on the largest insurgent breeding ground in Iraq . The insurgents were afraid of the Horse People, and rightfully so. But when 1st Cav left, al-Sadr influenced the Prime Minister to kick out the Coalition forces from that area of Baghdad . He said the Iraqi military forces could hold the city. But all that happened was al-Sadr regained control of his cty, and it is now a heavily guarded fortress. A place where insurgents and terrorists can train and stockpile arms. And we cannot go back in becuase the Prime Minister won't let us. Our hands are tied.

So where does al-Sadr get his backing? From Iran and Syria . Iran supplies him with money and Syria supplies the terrorists. The insurgents that battle the Coalition Forces are from Syria , Somalia and dozens of other places outside of Iraq . Iraq is literally a terrorist breeding ground. They have terrorist and sniper schools here. Why not?
They train by teaching them to attack the military forces here. And they have an endless supply of these training tools. They have factories in Sadr City to build bombs. Both Iran and Syria have openly proclaimed their number one goal in life is to destroy the great Western Devil and the little Western Devil ( America and Britain ). Iran wants to control Iraq to further this purpose. Al-Sadr will get to "run" the country and live like a king, but in reality Iran will pull the puppet strings. Iran will have access to thousands of radical Shiites who will do whatever al-Sadr tells them to. And Iraq will be used as a breeding ground for terrorism. Terrorism that will be tageted directly at America and Britain . The Iraq Study Group advised we should let Iran and Syria help with rebuilding? Bravo to President Bush for striking that idea down and vowing to keep those two countries out of Iraq .

So how do the Iraqi people feel about everything? Of course they don't want the Americans here. But they would far rather have us here than the Iranians. My platoon visited an average Sunni village on a patrol a few days ago. Their only source of income was to farm, as they could not go to the city to work for fear of violence. Many of the young men had already run off to join the militia for no other reason than to feed their families. They had no school or hospital near them and the community was dying. The village elder's granddaughter was very sick and I was able to treat her. Afterwards he invited me and my Platoon Leader to sit in his house and have tea with him, and we talked about the situation.

The people want peace. The Shiites kill the Sunnis because al-Sadr tells them to do so The Sunnis fight back because they have no choice. They are glad Saddam is dead (Sunni or not), but do not want to replace him with another dictator in a politician's clothes (which is what al-Sadr will become). And they especially don't want Iran in charge. Many innocent Iraqis will die if this happens. These are the words that came out of the elder's mouth:

"We do not want America here, and America does not want to be here. But you cannot leave because the militias controll the country. America must use the might of its giant army and sweep through, root out and destroy the militias. Then Iraq can be free and you can leave."

What appears to have happened within our diplomatic community, is that Prime Minister finally realizes that his days are numbered. If al-Sadr remains, he will be kicked to the curb. So hopefully he is about to allow us to reenter Sadr City , root out and destroy the enemy. A dramatic troop increase will allow us to do this. And the Horse People are back and ready to finish what they started over 2 years ago.

If we leave now, it will be a failure for democracy. Iran will contol Iraq and the end result will be more terrorist attacks on America . The American people don't want soldiers dying over here, but its better than American civilians dying over there. Do NOT forget 9/11. They will do it again. The moment we loosen our grip on the noose, they will do it again. And the only way to root out the evil here is to stop beating around the bush, increase troops and destroy the insurgents once and for all. The Iraqi government cannot do this on their own. The Iraqi security forces are inadequate for this task. We are the only ones who can stop al-Sadr.

Feel free to share this with whomever wants a real soldier's opinion about the war.


SPC "Doc" Shurley
2/5 Cav, 1st CB

Well that was a waste of time. That's pretty much exactly what's being reported on the major news outlets, minus the rosy solution that is completely unrealistic. But I guess that's just me, because god knows the military couldn't ever vastly underestimate their objectives.

Agrajag, what in that letter do you think is so incredible? Your friend talked to a Sunni who, because he was afraid his side would lose in a civil war, wanted us to stay. Or was it that he thought that his cavalry unit could save the day if left unencumbered? Somehouw I think SPC Shurley might lack the objectivity to really convince anyone of that.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to 'educate' me on how Bush didn't start this war as you said in the other thread.

I like how Agrajag's "friend" is also the friend of just about every right wing fucknut with a PC. Do a google on SPC "Doc" Shurley.

Not only are you a a dumbfuck but you are a liar too.

EDIT I just reread and he never said he was his friend. Sorry, you are still a dumbfuck though.

I do feel for the women that the article described, and I think it's an outrage that that has to happen to anyone, and certainly not several people; however, at the same token, I also think that she wrote it incredibly prejudice and it's just as unfortunate that the good soldiers over there risking their lives and being honorable are being portrayed in such a terrible light. The way she wrote that article was no less discriminating than the hard right wing shmucks (including my father, even) who thinks every muslim or middle eastern person is a terrorist; it's people like her on both sides that are causing so many problems - the extremists, the sensationalists, the people filled with such hate toward the entire group of people who are directing it to everyone of a group based on the actions of a few monstrous people.

I will give her that she is a very intelligent articulate writer and gets her point across well; I'll also give her that the things that enrage her are positively rational and should enrage anyone to know that that's going on - I think lumping all of America into the category of these horrid people is terribly ignorant, however. By the same logic, every muslim, every middle eastern person, everyone person who has ties with people over there needs to get out of America, because they aren't welcome here based on the actions of some of their peers.

I don't agree with the war either; I think it's gone incredibly too far and at this point it's for oil and to prove a point that our wordly dick is bigger than anyone elses; however, if we could focus on the problem at hand, as in EVERYBODY on both sides, instead of generalizing and assuming the worst in everyone, it wouldnt be such a problem.

Tossica wrote:I like how Agrajag's "friend" is also the friend of just about every right wing fucknut with a PC. Do a google on SPC "Doc" Shurley.

Not only are you a a dumbfuck but you are a liar too.

EDIT I just reread and he never said he was his friend. Sorry, you are still a dumbfuck though.

SPC Bryant Shurley is the son of our computer administrator Mike Shurley. This letter was written after the latest Presidential address. The Google search you did revealed a post dated 3 days ago claiming that this was a fake. They even referenced Bryant's quote trying to make it look like he wasn't even in Iraq when the . In fact, he was about to deploy when he said this... in July of 2006. Just another attempt by the media to try and stop the actual truth from leaking out.

Maybe instead of Googling to find what you want to try and make my post look like a lie, try and take off your blinders and see the whole truth.

Agrajag wrote:

Tossica wrote:I like how Agrajag's "friend" is also the friend of just about every right wing fucknut with a PC. Do a google on SPC "Doc" Shurley.

Not only are you a a dumbfuck but you are a liar too.

EDIT I just reread and he never said he was his friend. Sorry, you are still a dumbfuck though.

SPC Bryant Shurley is the son of our computer administrator Mike Shurley. This letter was written after the latest Presidential address. The Google search you did revealed a post dated 3 days ago claiming that this was a fake. They even referenced Bryant's quote trying to make it look like he wasn't even in Iraq when the . In fact, he was about to deploy when he said this... in July of 2006. Just another attempt by the media to try and stop the actual truth from leaking out.

Maybe instead of Googling to find what you want to try and make my post look like a lie, try and take off your blinders and see the whole truth.

So because 1 person posts what he thinks the situation is like, you totally ignore the rest of the facts presented to prove yourself right? You post may not be a "lie" but it is horribly biased to make yourself right. You have no other supporting facts, you are holding up 1 person's opinion as fact. Your arguement does not hold water.

Agrajag wrote:Try and take off your blinders and see the whole truth.

Good idea.

Zanchief wrote:

Agrajag wrote:Try and take off your blinders and see the whole truth.

Good idea.

Sure is.

lyion wrote:

Zanchief wrote:

Agrajag wrote:Try and take off your blinders and see the whole truth.

Good idea.

Sure is.

I know, right?

Ginzburgh wrote:

The country is in the beginning stages of a civil war

People need to know when they've been conquered.

Adolf Hitler - 1940

Scatillac wrote:

Ginzburgh wrote:

The country is in the beginning stages of a civil war

People need to know when they've been conquered.

Adolf Hitler - 1940

I thought that was a quote from Gladiator.

Speaking of Hitler, didn't grand daddy Prescott Busy fund his war? anyways,

Agrajag wrote:If we leave now, it will be a failure for democracy. Iran will contol Iraq and the end result will be more terrorist attacks on America . The American people don't want soldiers dying over here, but its better than American civilians dying over there. Do NOT forget 9/11. They will do it again. The moment we loosen our grip on the noose, they will do it again.

Feel free to share this with whomever wants a real soldier's opinion about the war.


SPC "Doc" Shurley
2/5 Cav, 1st CB

What the fuck is this garbage? Don't forget 9/11, they'll do it again ?

If this cunt wants me to remember 9/11, I'll remember that BIN LADEN was responsible for it, and was enemies with IRAQ, the country we invaded, went broke on, and lost thousands of american lives.

This is the same type of propaganda bullshit that got us into the iraq mess in the first place.

Burgy99 wrote:Speaking of Hitler, didn't grand daddy Prescott Busy fund his war? anyways,

Agrajag wrote:If we leave now, it will be a failure for democracy. Iran will contol Iraq and the end result will be more terrorist attacks on America . The American people don't want soldiers dying over here, but its better than American civilians dying over there. Do NOT forget 9/11. They will do it again. The moment we loosen our grip on the noose, they will do it again.

Feel free to share this with whomever wants a real soldier's opinion about the war.


SPC "Doc" Shurley
2/5 Cav, 1st CB

What the fuck is this garbage? Don't forget 9/11, they'll do it again ?

If this cunt wants me to remember 9/11, I'll remember that BIN LADEN was responsible for it, and was enemies with IRAQ, the country we invaded, went broke on, and lost thousands of american lives.

This is the same type of propaganda bullshit that got us into the iraq mess in the first place.

burgy people like Agr like to ignore these facts. they would have to admit being wrong from the start. what they also like to ignore is that the war is ALREADY a failure and has been for awhile. Iraq is passed the civil war stage, its collapsed. I wouldnt be supprised to see it splinter into a bunch of states/sectors like the balkan region has. lol Iraqistan.

But Evermore, didn't you read his letter? All we have to do is let the "Horse People" loose, and everything will be alright! Take off your blinders, man!!!!1!1!

It's nice to see the Bush / War supporters don't have a rebuttal to this.

Actually, I just got tired of the people like Evermore saying one thing and backpedaling in the next post. So, I quit. Just one more thing to add:

Evermore wrote:So because 1 person posts what he thinks the situation is like, you totally ignore the rest of the facts presented to prove yourself right? You post may not be a "lie" but it is horribly biased to make yourself right. You have no other supporting facts, you are holding up 1 person's opinion as fact. Your arguement does not hold water.

This whole thread was started from a post of 1 person's opinion. There were no other supporting facts, either. That post was made on your side of the fence, yet you defend it like it IS fact. Before you go having diarrhea of the mouth you may want to have that constipation of the brain checked...

Agrajag wrote:Actually, I just got tired of the people like Evermore saying one thing and backpedaling in the next post. So, I quit. Just one more thing to add:

Evermore wrote:So because 1 person posts what he thinks the situation is like, you totally ignore the rest of the facts presented to prove yourself right? You post may not be a "lie" but it is horribly biased to make yourself right. You have no other supporting facts, you are holding up 1 person's opinion as fact. Your arguement does not hold water.

This whole thread was started from a post of 1 person's opinion. There were no other supporting facts, either. That post was made on your side of the fence, yet you defend it like it IS fact. Before you go having diarrhea of the mouth you may want to have that constipation of the brain checked...

what's truely tiring is talk-shit, deepthroating faggots like you posting this unsubstanciated bullshit and then trying to play keyboard badass to back it up. Tell the truth, cumrag, you really quit because you realized everyone can see just how full of shit you really are. Well, that and the shitring around your lips has now dried and now you cant open your mouth. I should expect as much from someone who works as a fluffer and mop boy on NAMBLA porn movies.


Anyone can spew insults, . If you are mentally capable of posting an INTELLEGENT retort, please do. Otherwise, you did the right thing.

Menlaan wrote:But Evermore, didn't you read his letter? All we have to do is let the "Horse People" loose, and everything will be alright! Take off your blinders, man!!!!1!1!

i'm sorry. I forgot about the horse people

Evermore wrote:Anyone can spew insults, . If you are mentally capable of posting an INTELLEGENT retort, please do. Otherwise, you did the right thing.

*blink blink*

The very fucking word itself...