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Diekan wrote:Good idea. Thankfully, the republicans are out of office for a few years. Might be able to save a few species from going extinct before they finish.

Zanchief wrote:You hate the idea of environmental causes because you can think of a handful of bad ones? How about the thousands of good ones?

Zanchief wrote:I suppose since Chenney doesn't believe in global warming we have nothing to worry about, Lueyen. Ignore the problem, what's the worst that could happen?

Zanchief wrote:How do you write so much and say so little.

To me it's being very naive to think the vast majority of the scientific community is lying. People much smarter than you and I have spent their lives studying weather patterns and effects of smog on urban areas, and because of a handful of people, all of whom have serious financial and political motivation to lie, tell you otherwise, you're inclined to believe them?

Seems like a pretty dangerous opinion to have.

Lueyen wrote:

Zanchief wrote:How do you write so much and say so little.

To me it's being very naive to think the vast majority of the scientific community is lying. People much smarter than you and I have spent their lives studying weather patterns and effects of smog on urban areas, and because of a handful of people, all of whom have serious financial and political motivation to lie, tell you otherwise, you're inclined to believe them?

Seems like a pretty dangerous opinion to have.

Naievity is not questioning one sides possible ulterior motives and completely dismissing the other based on possible ulterior motives.

Current levels of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere are higher now than at any time in the past 650,000 years.

That is the conclusion of new European studies looking at ice taken from 3km below the surface of Antarctica.

The scientists say their research shows present day warming to be exceptional.

Other research, also published in the journal Science, suggests that sea levels may be rising twice as fast now as in previous centuries.

Treasure dome

The evidence on atmospheric concentrations comes from an Antarctic region called Dome Concordia (Dome C).

Over a five year period commencing in 1999, scientists working with the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (Epica) have drilled 3,270m into the Dome C ice, which equates to drilling nearly 900,000 years back in time.

Gas bubbles trapped as the ice formed yield important evidence of the mixture of gases present in the atmosphere at that time, and of temperature.

"One of the most important things is we can put current levels of carbon dioxide and methane into a long-term context," said project leader Thomas Stocker from the University of Bern, Switzerland.

"We find that CO2 is about 30% higher than at any time, and methane 130% higher than at any time; and the rates of increase are absolutely exceptional: for CO2, 200 times faster than at any time in the last 650,000 years."

Stable relationship

Last year, the Epica team released its first data. The latest two papers analyse gas composition and temperature dating back 650,000 years.

This extends the picture drawn by another Antarctic ice core taken near Lake Vostok which looked 440,000 years into the past.

The extra data is crucial because around 420,000 years there appears to have been a significant shift in the Earth's long-term climate patterns.

Before and after this date, the planet went through 100,000 year cycles of alternating cold glacial and warm interglacial periods.

But around the 420,000 year mark, the precise pattern changed, with the contrast between warm and cold conditions becoming much more marked.

The Dome C core gives data from six cycles of glaciation and warming; two from before this change, four from after.

"We found a very tight relationship between CO2 and temperature even before 420,000 years," said Professor Stocker.

"The fact that the relationship holds across the transition between climatic regimes is a very strong indication of the important role of CO2 in climate regulation."

Epica scientists will now try to extend their analysis further back in time.

Water rise

Another study reported in the same journal claims that for the last 150 years, sea levels have been rising twice as fast as in previous centuries.

Using data from tidal gauges and reviewing findings from many previous studies, US researchers have constructed a new sea level record covering the last 100 million years.

They calculate the present rate of rise at 2mm per year.

"The main thing that's changed since the 19th Century and the beginning of modern observation has been the widespread increase in fossil fuel use and more greenhouse gases," said Kenneth Miller from Rutgers University.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the body which collates scientific evidence for policymakers, concludes that sea level rose by 1-2mm per year over the last century, and will rise by a total of anything up to 88cm during the course of this century.