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That baby will be able to protect his family and not be a pussy. Good for him and I applaud the legal system which permitted him to legally carry a gun.

You do know the card doesn't mean he can carry a gun, right? It just identifies him as a person who owns one.

In the 6th grade firearm safety was a mandatory class up in Duluth, Minnesota.

Martrae wrote:You do know the card doesn't mean he can carry a gun, right? It just identifies him as a person who owns one.

Good for the baby. Let's start the psychotic gun obsession at the earliest possible age. That's healthy.

With a nickname of Bubba do you really have any hope for that kid anyway?

Seriously though, he'll actually probably grow up to be really responsible around guns. Just being around them doesn't cause an obsession.

Statistics seem to disagree.

Which statistics are those? Care to show me?

Find me a country that has more gun magazines, personal militias, gun clubs, gun shows. It's no surprise that it happens to have by far the highest gun deaths in the world.

Don't take this as an attack, but would you give your kid a gun, even if he was 8 or 9. Teach him how to use it, bring him to the gun range. Tell him it's an appropriate use of force to shoot and kill bad people?

Is that what you seriously think happens? You think the inner city kid that jacks a liquor store and shots the clerk ever went to a gun range or was taught firearms safety?

Most people who subscribe to things like that are farmers or people who hunt. They are the people who teach their kids to respect guns but not fear them. They use them to put food on their tables and keep pests from their farms.

Some people with guns are assholes....some are the most decent people you can find. It's a people problem....not a gun problem.

I do believe that. You think of gun violence as a minority issue so you wash your hands of the problem (even though your 1/64th Indian), I see it as a much bigger issue. Why is it that the US is the only country that has this obsession with owning and talking about guns like that? Subscribers to guns and ammo aren't "farmers" for the most part, they're people who just love guns. Of all the things to have a hobby about, a tool made solely for the purpose of killing someone doesn't seem very healthy.

"Hey mom I subscribed to 'Girls of the Guillotine'. Wanna help me make my scale sized model and play Marie Antoinette with me?"

Where did I say anything about minorities? I was making an urban vs rural argument.

You are also confusing handguns (mostly urban) with shotguns (mostly rural)...which is what the baby got as a present, and which was the basis for my statement.

Yes, there are people who just love guns. They like collecting them, showing them off and shooting them on a range. This does not make them violent or likely to shoot up a building.

Honestly, why do people obsess over anything? Short answer...our lives are too easy now and there's too much leisure time.

Zanchief wrote:Find me a country that has more gun magazines, personal militias, gun clubs, gun shows.It's no surprise that it happens to have by far the highest gun deaths in the world.

l o l

Because gun deaths are recorded in third world countries controlled by military dictatorships...

It's humorous to me that your standard of comparison is war torn Africa.

Yes, Harrison, you don't kill each other at as fast a rate as countries committing genocide. Now beam with pride!

Marty, my point is, it's unhealthy to obsess over something so inherently violent. I think that speaks to the nature of the gun violence.

I find it more humorous that someone as sheltered as you (which is blatantly obvious almost any time you talk about anything outside of basketball and movies, btw) speaks as if what you say is fact.

Harrison wrote:I find it more humorous that someone as sheltered as you (which is blatantly obvious almost any time you talk about anything outside of basketball and movies, btw) speaks as if what you say is fact.

Having an opinion does have its drawbacks, Finny.

and opinions are like assholes....

Zanchief wrote:Marty, my point is, it's unhealthy to obsess over something so inherently violent. I think that speaks to the nature of the gun violence.

People are violent by nature. How many sports fans talk about their team slaughtering the other? How many fights break out at these events either by the players or in the stands?

I don't pretend to understand gun aficionado's but I have no problem with them. It's people who see a gun as the primary means to an end that scare me.

I'm not saying ALL gun aficionado's think that way but I'd bet many of them do in fact feel a gun is the means to an end.

So? The ends are the problem not the means. I mean seriously, if someone is bent on killing you does it make any difference to you the means they use???

Killer: I'm here to kill you and your family.
ClakarEQ: Oh no! Is that a gun you have there?!?
Killer: No. It's a tire-iron. I'm going to beat you to death with it, then your family starting from the legs and working my way up breaking every bone in your body.
ClakarEQ: Ok, that's a relief, for a minute I thought you might have a gun and I don't allow those in the house! Wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to those vile contraptions. Will you excuse me? I need to make a phone call to the police to come to my defense. I'll be right back, would you mind waiting in the foyer? Can I offer you some tea while we wait? Shouldn't be more than 15-20 minutes.
Killer: No thanks, I have another family to butcher next door. Thanks for the offer though...
<WHACK>

I should have phrased that better. It's people who don't respect guns, the ones that leave them lying around or stuff them in their pants waist that scare me.

Which essentially is anyone who grew up around them. My Dad was a gun nut, and so I grew up having too much respect for them, We fired them and he explained over and over exactly what each gun he owned <about 1000 of them> could do to a person. Or me. He wasn't a redneck though, just a military officer with way too much gung ho in him.

Likewise, the hillbillies don't have gun problems. You can take a dump on Bubba Sr's lawn or fuck his wife, but if you try to get near his locked up gun <or the shiny old pickup truck with the gun rack> he'll be on you quicker than the remote for the next Larry the Cable Guy special...

That doesn't change the fact we have more weapons in America than the Sandinista's and Contra's put together just at one gun show. Sadly, both Zan and your points are correct...

Martrae wrote:I should have phrased that better. It's people who don't respect guns, the ones that leave them lying around or stuff them in their pants waist that scare me.

Sure, but the way people obsess over their guns, there are a lot more of them to be stuffed into pants.

I've never really considered it possible to have too much respect for a firearm... not enough sure but too much?

Lueyen wrote:I've never really considered it possible to have too much respect for a firearm... not enough sure but too much?

When you're 7 and have nightmares, it's a bit overboard, I'd say.