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Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:53 pm
by Tacks
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:00 pm
by Harrison
I would definitely hunt each one of them down and taser them until they urinated and/or soiled themselves.
There was no fucking need to taser someone already on the ground and held for almost a minute.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:08 pm
by Narrock
Those cops are asstards for doing that, and they give real cops a bad name. University cops suck.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:59 pm
by The Kizzy
I cant get my sound to work right now, what question did the kid ask?
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:13 pm
by Gaazy
something about bush and kerry being in the same skull and bones society or something stupid like that.
Watching that dude get tasered wasnt as fun as watching that loud mouth black bitch on the cell phone that Ralf used to talk about all the time
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:58 pm
by Lueyen
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," Kerry said in a statement. "I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody."
I'm no Kerry fan, but I have to give credit where it is due. It's very gracious of him to even entertain questions from someone who was asking some really off the wall borderline tinfoil hat questions after barging in line ect. Really if I had any criticizing here it would be that Kerry gave this guy to much legitimacy. And yea that many officers, the guy is on the ground and restrained and they felt the need to taser him? I've watched plenty of unwilling individuals get arrested.. once they are prone like that, hand cuffs go on and they don't have much control over what happens to them after that. Worst case they could have cuffed his ankles and carried him out... I've seen it done by two officers should have been easy with that many. It really looks like the tasering was excessive use of force.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:07 pm
by leah
bleh, they played a clip of this on the morning show in arizona i listen to online . . . not a pleasant thing to listen to!
on a somewhat related side note, i saw a dude get tasered in downtown minneapolis a few months ago. sadly, though, i was too drunk to realize what was happening so i don't remember much of it
but my more sober companions (or at least, my companions who claimed to be more sober) said it was freaking NUTS though.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:20 pm
by brinstar
here's a pic *WARNING: GRAPHIC* of a lincoln girl who participated in a picket in rhode island recently
google "alex svoboda" if you want to know more about the situation
i'm not personally a huge fan of demonstrations in general, but clearly the officers crossed the line
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:27 pm
by Ouchyfish
I'd be willing to bet good money that Kerry and/or his camp instructed the cops to react in this manner if such "need" arises. "I'll take the noble high ground and act like I'm trying to entertain the fucker's question, you get rid of the SOB."
He also happens to have enough disposable cash to keep the officers quiet as they fade away on admin leave and to some other place to live/work quite comfortably.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:16 pm
by Tikker
I watched just the first one, did he actually get tasered?
he looked like he was just fucking around and deserved a punch in the throat at least
the whole time he was yelling, I just kept hearing that line from Monty Python " Help, I'm being oppressed"
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:33 am
by Lueyen
Ouchyfish wrote:I'd be willing to bet good money that Kerry and/or his camp instructed the cops to react in this manner if such "need" arises. "I'll take the noble high ground and act like I'm trying to entertain the fucker's question, you get rid of the SOB."
He also happens to have enough disposable cash to keep the officers quiet as they fade away on admin leave and to some other place to live/work quite comfortably.
Perhaps, however an impromptu arrangement of that nature would generally be pretty risky, because I doubt reaching that understanding in a timely manner without exposing yourself would likely be difficult... all you need is one honest uncompromisable officer in the bunch and one overt suggestion and your screwed.
As a side note, as I know quite a few people here feel very strongly about issues of the day, some to the extent they have or might join public protests. You don't help your cause by causing disruption, for instance this guy ended up looking like a jackass, and like I said I'm no Kerry fan. I am glad when I see protests even if I don't agree with the message, because at the very least it shows that people still care and are willing to be involved, the day we don't have people voicing their opinions in a public venue is the day I start to worry. That being said when taken to far regardless of the issue it really has a negative impact on the cause. A person trying to get home from work is a lot less likely to be receptive to a message if the protesters are disrupting the flow of traffic in an attempt to bring the protest to peoples attention. While shock value can make an impression, going completely overboard does accomplish that people look at things and go "that is in poor taste"... examples in my mind would be burning of US soldier effigies and anti abortion signs that show graphic images of aborted babies. By John Q. Public these sorts of things are viewed in a negative light, and if your goal is to really advance a cause rather then be dismissed or hated as just someone looking for a reason to cause trouble they aren't the way to go.
If you ever find yourself under arrest, and really this goes for dealing with police in general such as in a traffic stop ect... you aren't likely going to win any battle on the street. Pushing buttons may get attention, might make the police look bad, but is it really worth it if you get the shit kicked out of you? If you are going to fight the man, do it in a courtroom or anyplace but the street. It's somewhat akin to people who walking down the street expose themselves to traffic danger because they "have the right of way". Legally being right isn't going to be much comfort when you are in traction. Can anyone really place a dollar value on say the use of their legs?
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:35 am
by Gypsiyee
On the whole, it's pretty terrible. Lucky for the cops he's a white male so it won't be turned into any it's because I'm x lawsuits.
I don't really feel the guy made himself out to be a jackass at all - imo badgering is to be expected at public forums for politicians, and citizens have the right to have their questions answered when you leave yourself open for questioning.
Honestly, though, those commending Kerry.. to me, it's more apparent that he's saying how he didn't condone it and how he 'feels' about it as more of a positive publicity stunt than anything. I did hear him saying 'no let me answer' but I feel that he knew good and well he wouldn't have to answer or he would've proceeded with his answer and allowed a few to hear it instead of donating to the attention that was being given to the situation.
This isn't to say there was any payoff or anything of the sort, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to believe that he, or 90% of politicians for that matter, didn't hint, or have one of his staff hint, that this type of treatment is to be carried out if someone asks questions he deems 'out of line.'
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:21 am
by Dimuza
the guy got what he was asking for. the whole time, he's yelling like a maniac, jumping from subject to subject. ..he didn't want an answer for any of those questions, he just wanted to loudly ask ridiculous questions. today in the paper they refer to this guy having a web site where he posts videos of himself performing "outrageous" stunts & whatnot. the kid is a douchebag.
also, there is a lesson here, kids, that apparently a lot of you have missed in your formative years: when the police ask you to come with them, or lie down on the floor, or stand on your fucking head, it's best to DO AS YOU'RE ASKED. Because they're going to get your compliance, and your comfort is the least of their considerations. That was not police brutality, you babies.
He was asked to come with them. He didn't. They carried him.
He was asked to lie on his stomach. He didn't. They rolled his ass over.
He was told to stop resisting or he would be tased. He did not stop. He got his tasing. Good for him. "Help, I'm being oppressed" is right.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:52 am
by Tikker
look at everyone in the background
they're all smiling and laughing at the dude, kinda like he has a history of acting up like that
ps, do any of the other vids actually show him getting tazered? the first one you just have him yelling "omg don't tazer me, omg you're tazering me, help i'm being tazered"
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:18 am
by Jei
when the police ask you to come with them, or lie down on the floor, or stand on your fucking head, it's best to DO AS YOU'RE ASKED.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:24 am
by leah
the whole "OW I'M BEING TASERED" reaction is interesting . . .
go to this web site:
http://www.kzzp.com/pages/johnjay_rich. ... tcacheme=1it's the site for the radio station i listen to online. a year or so ago, they talked their intern into letting them tase him, and his reaction is a lot more intense than this FU guy's.
the station put the youtube video of the FU student next to the video of intern randy getting tased--see what you think.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:14 am
by Gaazy
we've got drunk and stun gunned each other many many times. Stun guns hurt like fuck but i cant imagine tasering. We had a buddy who let us taser him one night and it put him out cold almost.
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:01 am
by Tacks
leah wrote:the whole "OW I'M BEING TASERED" reaction is interesting . . .
go to this web site:
http://www.kzzp.com/pages/johnjay_rich. ... tcacheme=1it's the site for the radio station i listen to online. a year or so ago, they talked their intern into letting them tase him, and his reaction is a lot more intense than this FU guy's.
the station put the youtube video of the FU student next to the video of intern randy getting tased--see what you think.
It's a LOT different when you're full of adrenaline.
Re: Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:30 pm
by Yamori
also, there is a lesson here, kids, that apparently a lot of you have missed in your formative years: when the police ask you to come with them, or lie down on the floor, or stand on your fucking head, it's best to DO AS YOU'RE ASKED. Because they're going to get your compliance, and your comfort is the least of their considerations. That was not police brutality, you babies.
Umm... The whole point here is that this stupid fellow was ARRESTED simply for asking obnoxious conspiracy theory questions to a politician in an open forum. They had no right to detain or arrest him in the first place. Combine that with tazering him when he was clearly immobilized... It's pretty disgusting.
I think these goons should be charged with assault and battery personally.
Re: Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:40 am
by Tikker
Yamori wrote:
Umm... The whole point here is that this stupid fellow was ARRESTED simply for asking obnoxious conspiracy theory questions to a politician in an open forum. They had no right to detain or arrest him in the first place. Combine that with tazering him when he was clearly immobilized...
I think he got arrested etc more because of how he started resisting being removed, rather than for his initial questions
he was being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. ie, he'd fit in well here probably
when they asked him to leave, he starting acting up attention whore style
imo, they should have tasered him twice
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:59 am
by Zanchief
Ouchyfish wrote:I'd be willing to bet good money that Kerry and/or his camp instructed the cops to react in this manner if such "need" arises. "I'll take the noble high ground and act like I'm trying to entertain the fucker's question, you get rid of the SOB."
He also happens to have enough disposable cash to keep the officers quiet as they fade away on admin leave and to some other place to live/work quite comfortably.
hahahhahaha tinfoil hat time Fishy. You really think a major political figure would risk a scandal by bribing a security guard (illegal) just so he can dish out a little punishment to some ornery audience members?
Ouchyfish, that is an intelligent thing to say.
Re: Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:17 am
by Lyion
Re: Studen tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:07 pm
by Diekan
Gypsiyee wrote:On the whole, it's pretty terrible. Lucky for the cops he's a white male so it won't be turned into any it's because I'm x lawsuits.
I don't really feel the guy made himself out to be a jackass at all - imo badgering is to be expected at public forums for politicians, and citizens have the right to have their questions answered when you leave yourself open for questioning.
Honestly, though, those commending Kerry.. to me, it's more apparent that he's saying how he didn't condone it and how he 'feels' about it as more of a positive publicity stunt than anything. I did hear him saying 'no let me answer' but I feel that he knew good and well he wouldn't have to answer or he would've proceeded with his answer and allowed a few to hear it instead of donating to the attention that was being given to the situation.
This isn't to say there was any payoff or anything of the sort, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to believe that he, or 90% of politicians for that matter, didn't hint, or have one of his staff hint, that this type of treatment is to be carried out if someone asks questions he deems 'out of line.'
Exactly - the little fuckwad got what he deserved.
Re: Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:01 pm
by Yamori
Tikker wrote:Yamori wrote:
Umm... The whole point here is that this stupid fellow was ARRESTED simply for asking obnoxious conspiracy theory questions to a politician in an open forum. They had no right to detain or arrest him in the first place. Combine that with tazering him when he was clearly immobilized...
I think he got arrested etc more because of how he started resisting being removed, rather than for his initial questions
he was being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. ie, he'd fit in well here probably
when they asked him to leave, he starting acting up attention whore style
imo, they should have tasered him twice
Yeah, reading more into it does seem the arrest itself is based on (somewhat) resisting arrest by hopping around and stuff as they dragged him away - although they didn't appear to say
anything to him or give any reason as to why they were initiating force against him by forcibly dragging him off - which is generally a common courtesy to be informed why men with weapons are manhandling you.
Still, the fact that they'd hold someone down in a subdued position where they could easily be handcuffed and removed (especially clear since he kept repeating "I'll leave, I'll leave, don't tase me, don't tase me") and THEN taser them just to "shut them up," is immensely disturbing and wrong - even if the subject in question was a complete fucking idiot.
Those goons should be fired at best and have criminal charges at worst.
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This whole thing also shows how REALLY ineffectual Kerry is as a leader... he can't even control rent-a-cops. >< Goddamn the democrats, why did they nominate that worthless sack of flesh as their candidate and stick us with Bush for 4 more years. ;(
Re: Student tasered at Kerry Q/A
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:20 pm
by Tikker
do any of the vids clearly show him actually getting tasered?
most people don't speak coherently mid-tasering
