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I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:09 am
by Jazendar
Noone has posted this yet? Or am I dillusional? I'm not as up to date as some of you are (Arlos, Lueyen etc) but this seemed fairly big when I came acrossed it on my Yahoo News Selection.

SALEM, Ore.) - A federal agency with a tarnished reputation over their response to Hurricane Katrina went theatrical last week, as it turns out. FEMA and the Bush Administration have both admitted that the press Tuesday over the Southern California wildfires was packed with FEMA employees posing as reporters.

Reporters from the Washington Post were given 15 minutes notice before the press conference began, Bloomberg was given 20 minutes. None of them made it, not a single reporter in fact. The "press conference" was held in FEMA's Washington DC headquarters. The agency has now admitted that the six questions asked by reporters were actually posed by FEMA's impostors.

The Associated Press said the questions asked of FEMA Deputy Director Vice Admiral Harvey E. Johnson by FEMA employees pretending to be reporters, “were predictably soft and gratuitous.”

But they made the agency look good. "Are you happy with FEMA's response so far?" one of the fake reporters asked.

Vice Adm. Harvey E. Johnson Jr. responded, "I am very happy with FEMA's response so far."

Followthemedia.com says using fake reporters isn’t new to the Bush administration, which continues to hold most media in contempt. They reference a 2005 a political operative who was ‘outted’ after asking President George W. Bush simple and easy questions while posing as a White House reporter.

The news conference was a feather in the cap for about three days, then that apparent success came to a screeching halt on Friday when FEMA admitted that the simple questions were asked by FEMA employees posing as reporters.

Good Cop Bad Cop

After the cat emerged from the bag Friday, the White House naturally tried to distance itself from the implications.

In spite of the administration's history of doing the exact same thing, Press Secretary Dana Perino made the statement, "It is not a practice that we would employ here at the White House." Three times Perino referred to FEMA's theatrics as an "error in judgment," saying she is sure it won't happen again.

Then the Homeland Security Department took a different approach and lambasted FEMA for such a deceitful act. Spokeswoman Laura Keehner told reporters, "This is inexcusable and offensive, and stunts like this will not be tolerated or repeated."

If nothing else, the debacle is a clear indication that when it comes to communications and essential standards of conduct, these federal agencies are out of touch with one another, though they work for the same exact team. Or perhaps it was just the planned reaction, taking heat off one agency by having a similar one perform the lashing.

In a statement Friday, Harvey Johnson said FEMA's goal is to get information out as soon as possible, "and in trying to do so we made an error in judgment."

"Our intent was to provide useful information and be responsive to the many questions we have received. We are reviewing our press procedures and will make the changes necessary to ensure that all of our communications are straightforward and transparent."

It has only been two years since FEMA's highly criticized response to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The world has been waiting for this agency to have another chance to demonstrate that it can perform its duties. This "error in judgment" will do little to boost faith in a federal response agency that people count on in times of disaster.


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/octo ... 102707.php

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:20 am
by Zanchief
It's funny how quickly they moved when million dollar houses were in trouble. They didn't wait 48 hours for approval from the state.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:37 am
by araby
Did anyone hear Ahhnuld getting drilled with pointed questions and accused of making people unhappy and he refused to respond to it, he just kept saying "we're moving, we're taking care of our people, that's what happening."

Does anyone recall how Bush doesn't have anything to do with FEMA? Katrina wasn't his fault, that's true and they should have had a better evacuation plan..but yah, that response time was pretty slow.

I sat watching the Firemen in California thinking "wonder how long it'll take for us to hear "katrina" and well, this is just bonus.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:16 pm
by Jennay
My place didn't burn down but I wish I could recover the money I had to spend on hotel stays being evacuated for 3 days. I guess I could have gone and stayed at Qualcom Stadium. They were getting live bands, catered food, acupuncture, massages, games, etc. When I saw that on the news I was like Ohhh snap, those people in Louisiana are gonna be pissed!

What it comes down to is that here in San Diego, we all had been evacuated in stages as the fires progressed and for the Katrina disaster, everyone was told to leave all at once and many were trapped at their stadium and homes...here in San Diego, the stadium wasn't packed and downtown was fine. Most people had someplace to flee to. I went east to Arizona to get away from the smoke. That and it's a whole different mind set out here. People are organized and calm under pressure. Our government responded and asked for help right away where as for Katrina, I'm sure even the people who were supposed to be in control dropped the ball and played victim.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:30 pm
by Kramer
politics is ridiculous discourse and obvious deceit.


oh and...

DIABEETUS!

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:34 pm
by Harrison
Jennay wrote:That and it's a whole different mind set out here. People are organized and calm under pressure. Our government responded and asked for help right away where as for Katrina, I'm sure even the people who were supposed to be in control dropped the ball and played victim.


That's exactly what happened.

"Bush doesn't like black people..." :rofl:

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:09 pm
by Zanchief
Harrison wrote:
Jennay wrote:That and it's a whole different mind set out here. People are organized and calm under pressure. Our government responded and asked for help right away where as for Katrina, I'm sure even the people who were supposed to be in control dropped the ball and played victim.


That's exactly what happened.

"Bush doesn't like black people..." :rofl:


Head, meet sand.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:04 pm
by Tikker
to be fair tho, didn't everyone and their dog know about katrina coming for well over a month before it actually happened?

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:26 pm
by Harrison
It's easier to play the victim than to own up for your own fuckup. ESPECIALLY when you can use the race card.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:56 am
by Gypsiyee
[snipped my snapping]

yes, a good half of the 'victims' of katrina were victims on their own accord and they were savage horrible people - another half *were* screwed over by the bush administration and lack of response.

that said, it's great that the fires were handled better but it's obviously going to be questionable to some if it's due to learning from past mistakes or because it's a higher end part of the country - either way, what fema did is a pretty despicable way of self praise, albeit not suprising.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:52 am
by Zanchief
Tikker wrote:to be fair tho, didn't everyone and their dog know about katrina coming for well over a month before it actually happened?


Well very few people thought the levies would break, and those that did were ignored.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:44 am
by Ouchyfish
So that's why they sent 50k body bags there before it hit?

I remember that fucker coming VIVIDLY and they KNEW there was going to be HEAVY casualties. The Army Corps KNEW what those levies could and couldn't take LONG ago and made that info WELL known to everyone.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:10 am
by Zanchief
Ouchyfish wrote:I remember that fucker coming VIVIDLY and they KNEW there was going to be HEAVY casualties. The Army Corps KNEW what those levies could and couldn't take LONG ago and made that info WELL known to everyone.


They may have anticipated casualties from the Hurricane, but everyone insisted the levies would hold.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:30 am
by Kramer
folks, this has been discussed ad nauseam...

1) some stayed when they could have left
2) some stayed because they assumed that the levies that they were told would hold, were goign to hold
3) some stayed because they were too poor to have transportation to leave
4) some stayed because they knew the kind of neighborhood they lived in and didn't want their homes looted

etc, etc, etc, etc,

i personally worked with aid workers who stayed behind to care for people who were poor and homeless and got caught in a storm that wrought infintely worse damage than anyone thought... they had to survive with folks they didn't know for 4-5 days and risked their lives to keep those safe.

it's complex. some were stupid, many more were victims of a lack of preparation that was exacerbated to the nth degree by a remarkably inept governmental response from local to federal governments.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:42 am
by Ouchyfish
Here's a tip-if you live on the coast, expect this kind of shit and stop expecting the world to take care of you.

I remember them saying that there would be massive casualties BEFORE it hit.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:51 am
by araby
hey, I've been thinking a lot about that.

they don't call us "the lowcountry" for nothing..when it rains here...it floods everywhere except the very center of the peninsula, which also happens to be the upper ends of downtown.

our beach erosion is making news and even though we didn't have any storms this year, the erosion by itself should be enough to get home owners moving...we're gonna be under water before too long.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:00 am
by Tikker
Kramer wrote:3) some stayed because they were too poor to have transportation to leave



maybe it's just me, but if I knew a month+ in advance that everything was going to be underwater, I'd at least start walking

i mean, if you're too poor to afford transportation, it's not like you're actually going to be leaving anything behind (ie, that's a dumb fucking arguement)

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:03 am
by Zanchief
Tikker wrote:
Kramer wrote:maybe it's just me, but if I knew a month+ in advance that everything was going to be underwater, I'd at least start walking


...but they didn't know everything would be underwater. They were told the levies would hold.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:10 am
by Tikker
Zanchief wrote:
Tikker wrote:
Kramer wrote:maybe it's just me, but if I knew a month+ in advance that everything was going to be underwater, I'd at least start walking


...but they didn't know everything would be underwater. They were told the levies would hold.



source?

It's been a while, and I mostly didn't care, but I seem to remember seeing at the time most predictions being that new orleans would be under 6 feet of water

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:22 am
by Zanchief
Your memory is equal to your intelligence.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:29 am
by Tikker
so you're conceding I'm correct then

good for you

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:49 am
by Harrison
http://www.ci.new-bedford.ma.us/DPW/WAS ... ricane.htm

Even with this, if a category 5 was said to be coming, you better fucking believe I'd be evacuating.

Anyone fucking retarded enough to stay behind deserves every ounce of what they got. It's much easier to be a bitch and whine that it was the government's fault for a NATURAL FUCKING DISASTER.

There would probably be a lot of the same ignorant shit happening here that happened down there as well.

We lost power in a 4-5 block radius one time for a few hours. I shit you not, 5 minutes after the power blew there were niggers in the streets tearing down street lights, street signs, smashing storefront windows, and other general niggerdom. I took a walk to see how far out our power had blown and to see if it was citywide or not, and was absolutely fucking blown away by what I witnessed.

Those same stupid fucks would stay behind like those down there, and cry about some random third party not coming to properly save their stupid asses.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:52 am
by Martrae
You want to talk about something truly criminal, a friend of ours lived in Mississippi and lost everything to Katrina. He got $7000 because he lived in the wrong state. They basically had to start over again in Atlanta in debt. If it wasn't for friends helping them out they'd be living in a shelter somewhere.

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:21 am
by Zanchief
Martrae wrote:You want to talk about something truly criminal, a friend of ours lived in Mississippi and lost everything to Katrina. He got $7000 because he lived in the wrong state. They basically had to start over again in Atlanta in debt. If it wasn't for friends helping them out they'd be living in a shelter somewhere.


It's not the governments job to help him out. Why wasn't he prepared, Martrae?

Re: I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:39 am
by Martrae
/shrug

You'd have to ask him. They did think they were far enough inland, though. They were smart and evac'd, at least.