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That Obama has enough delegates to win.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/election.democrats/index.html

if you refresh the page, then you get this.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/election.democrats/index.html

I am just sick to death of that woman >.< I started off not fond of her to begin with, but the longer she campaigns it just gets worse and worse because her true colors become so obvious. She's just a divisive manipulative person, she's like the epitome of the stereotypical scheming bullshitting woman - it's just terrible.

all these shenanigans. what is the news up to? I really hate the media. The truth is, she has every right to stay in it, because she has had a fair shot at the nomination this entire campaign. It's not like she was lagging way behind like Huckabee and still insisting that she'd go to the end.

I'm not voting for her (obviously) but still..what is the media up to? Why the shenanigans? I have the day off and sit around reading the news/internet and this is what I get. No wonder I stopped paying attention.

Elect the media for president! They're better at lying than the politicians.

I don't have too much of a problem with her staying in the race - I agree that she has the right to stay in, though I don't think she's staying in because she thinks she can win so much as to cause a frenzy. My issue with her is the way she's gone about staying in, and the way she's represented herself. She's said such snide things and used such manipulative ways to keep herself afloat. She's used smear campaigning, and in a year that it'd be a race for dems to lose due to the disenchantment of the Bush administration, she's done everything she could to tear people apart and has essentially made the party into a bunch of screaming fighting children.

Her focus and her reasoning has been so wrong - she acts as if she is entitled to the presidency and she's simply not. Rather than behave like a toddler who had his candy stolen, it would've been better for her and the entire party had she said you know what, Obama is a fine contender, I respect him but I disagree with him on x, y, and z. I think that would've been far more efficient than HAY GUYZ LOOK HEZ A MUSLIM - this behavior is best left to the likes of Ann Coulter and her disgusting ilk. The Clintons should be better than that, and in the past year it's been a downhill boulder of embarrassment, grasping at straws, and cattiness, imo.

That's just not what we need running the country. Every race is going to have some of it to a degree, but more and more with the words she speaks just bring me back to the hormonal outrages of my teenage years and how things went with girlfriends back then. It's just too much, and I'm not talking the media representation (though I think Bill's little outcry of they're all picking on Hillary was ridiculous. Up until Iowa, they had all but crowned her as the nominee.) The feet pounding of the Michigan and Florida primaries was stupid, counting herself as the winner of the popular vote in a) a state that the other nominees weren't listed on the ballot and b) a state where only she campaigned was equally desperate.

At some point you need to stop making excuses and whining and just realize you've been outplayed; take a moment to think that maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy and people don't want round 4 of the Bush-Clinton saga.

You realize that if she gets "bumped" by the DNC tonight once the results are in and the news announces that Obama has the nomination "locked up" she will simply go back to NY as a now Senior Senator and pick up the Democratic torch from Ted Kennedy. Obama may very likely lose in November and that will clear the way for Hillary to come back in 2012 after McCain has done pretty much nothing (which, I think, is the best thing we can ask for in a president these days). She will be the "agent of change" and use her 4 years as the #1 antagonist to the "vast right wing conspiracy" and she'll likely get the nomination and barring some catastrophic incident be the first women president. Maybe Obama will run in 2020 or as her VP.

and. she didn't concede...... wouldn't be suprised if she forced her way on to the dem ticket as VP

Anyone but her, please. If he picks that annoying fake-accent dyke up, I won't be able to bring myself to vote for him. =(

It's hilarious how much people hate her... I'm with you guys tho. The bitch disgusts me.

I'll still more than happily vote for him, because at the end of the day, he would be the president, not her. It's a strange predicament, really - I can't stand her, but it's like she's almost necessary to win the feminazi vote, and lord knows I don't want McCain in any situation to be able to pick up any extra unwarranted votes.

This is kind of the situation she's put the party in, though - she's been so successfully divisive with such underhanded campaigning that for a great chance at unifying the party, you have to isolate a good group of them too. There are so many people on one side of the fence or the other that say 'if she's VP, I won't vote for him' or 'if she's not VP, I'm voting for McCain' - the latter, of course, being frothing mouth feminazis who are out for spite. Despicable, really. So disappointing what the Clintons have done to their name over the last 6 months.

Except when he's assassinated by a racist psychopath she'll be the President.

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I'll take him over Clinton any day but, I doubt he'll be alive very long with the amount of psychopaths out there either, well connected, or well armed, or both.

unfortunately, that's definitely a very real concern. if you look back in our history, assassinations have primarily been made on trailblazers - inspirers, people trying to make change.

i was just thinking about this the other day, actually; it's an interesting trend of the types of people who have been assassinated, had attempts made etc. i think there are people out there right now who think it's almost an inevitability that obama will have hits on his life, and that's sad.. we have a president sitting in office who has almost a universal dislike amongst the nation, but he's not a high risk. i mean not that i want him to be at high risk - much as i dislike him, i wouldn't want him hurt - but it's curious, really, the trend of those who take the bullet and those who are at risk.. quite sad =\

i'm writing in Ron Paul. I cant stand any of these fucktards

Harrison wrote:Except when he's assassinated by a racist psychopath she'll be the President.

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I'll take him over Clinton any day but, I doubt he'll be alive very long with the amount of psychopaths out there either, well connected, or well armed, or both.

Hell, she'd do it herself on her quest for power.

lol for real...

i have a real concern for what ol Billy will do with the presidential campaign if she is grabbed as VP.... Wild Bill could Phock up the whole thing quick. he is a 600 lb gorilla that would demand attention.... he can't help himself.

I woke up today with CNN on and all I saw were the graphics "The Clinton Exit" and I rolled over and went back to sleep.

i wonder if Bush is thinking "hey drop a nuke on Iran real quick before this whole President thing is over"

I know there is much hate for Hillary but knowing that your only "real" options are going to be McCain vs Obama, would any of you more left swingers seriously vote for McCain? I realize you can vote for whomever the fuck you want, but know that either Obama or McCain are going to win. I don't care much for Hillary and like Obama and even if she was his VP, there is NOTHING that could push me into voting for a war monger old as dirt ass hat like McCain.

see I think that's the most disgusting thing about the Clinton campaign to me. She's divided people so badly that they're so frothy at the mouths they want to vote for someone who has the complete opposite of their beliefs as their platform.

I mean if you dislike someone as a person, okay, fine - but the fact that her campaign has caused them to dislike him SO much that they're willing to throw all their beliefs in the shitcan just to give the vote to someone who holds none of their stances is simply appalling to me.

I don't like Hillary one bit, I think she's a terrible power-hungry person willing to stomp on anyone to get what she wants - I don't want her selected as VP, but you won't catch me voting for McCain if she gets it. If she had won the nominee, I damn sure wouldn't have voted McCain either - I would've voted independent.

The votes that people are saying they're going to give to McCain due to Hillary losing are purely spite votes, and it's a testament to who she is and how she gets things done. I don't think you would've seen the same response from Obama supporters en masse like this had she won.

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The votes that people are saying they're going to give to McCain due to Hillary losing are purely spite votes, and it's a testament to who she is and how she gets things done.

I think it's more a testament to mentality of american voters

you guys vote against people, not for people (which is unfortunately not restricted to just US soil. that kind of politics is gaining a hold here too)

I know you hate the states.. I'm not fond of what we've become over the last few years either, but to say that it's the mentality of the country on the whole isn't really fair. Hate the US all you want, but not all of us are complete morons who vote out of spite. I don't know how closely you've followed the campaign, but it is exactly what she was trying to achieve. like I said, I don't think you would get the same results had it been the other way around, and many more people disliked Clinton prior to her campaigning than did those who disliked Obama.

On the whole, her support base is comprised mostly of feminazis who want her to win solely because she's a woman. That's how she ran her campaign - playing to the hatred of 'the oppressed woman.' You can't say this about the Obama campaign, because his support base is not simply black, and his best efforts went to playing down his race, not putting it in the limelight.

I think it has a lot less to do with the 'american mindset' than you think - voting against people is something that's true everywhere, but on this scale, it has a lot more to do with her behavior over the last year. If it was simply voting against him, it would be people voting independent. The person you don't like loses the vote regardless of if you go republican or independent, so that's still a vote against them. She made it clear that if she didn't win, she didn't want any democrat to win, and that's what her supporters are gunning for.

do you honestly think that a big portion of people won't be casting their votes against someone?

you KNOW there will be people who vote against obama because of his heritage, or the perceptions about his religion

you know there would be people who would vote against hillary because she's a a woman

I'm not saying it's stupid/moronic/whatever (whether it is or not is a whole other arguement)

all I'm saying is that's a fairly accurate statement about a pretty big segment of your voting populace

Tikker wrote:you guys vote against people, not for people (which is unfortunately not restricted to just US soil. that kind of politics is gaining a hold here too)

That's very true. It's becoming popular here too. It's very unusual for someone to actually back someone. It's easy just to hate the other guy. It's probobly a product of the two party system.

ANY voting populace.

People are morons, everywhere.

This is hardly an American issue.

nono Tikk, I totally agree with you that people vote against people for x or y reason - voting for McCain as a vote against Obama is something she aimed for, though. As I mentioned, you can vote against someone by voting independent.. you don't have to give your vote to someone who believes the complete opposite of you to vote against someone.

Lots of people voted against people in the past 2 elections and it's the only way W won, I agree that it happens a LOT. What I'm referring to is the people who are screaming from the rooftops that they're voting for McCain because their candidate didn't win when it would be just as successful to vote against him by voting independent. They're voting McCain because of the 'if I'm not the democratic nominee, there won't be a democratic president' light that Hillary brought to her campaign.

This election is unique in that with the Bush administration's blunders, it would've been the democrats race to lose, basically - and if it weren't for Hillary, I think it would've been fairly smooth sailing.. there wouldn't be any voting 'against' someone amongst the party if she hadn't run the way she did. I mean there might be some, but thanks to her it's on a huge scale. Sure, you'll have people voting against him because he's x, y, or z.. but now you have people voting against him within his own party not because of his politics, his color, or his personality, but because Hillary didn't win and now it's time to throw a tantrum. You don't see Edwards supporters screaming about it, and though he wasn't in the final months of the race, there is no denying that he has quite a support base.

The biggest difference in casting a vote against someone here is that there are a lot of Clinton supporters right now that are intentionally sabotaging the party's chances because of things like her calling him muslim etc - primary contest campaigns should be run much differently than election campaigns, I believe, because in the end they both had similar goals and now you have this mess with her endorsement being quite a joke. It's more about Hillary than what's best for this country, and that's the biggest flaw she had in her campaign.