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I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

On an unrelated note, did that oil drilling bill get passed? someone at work said the GOV approved the bill, I thought congress was going to reject it.

Hitler taught all governments that much at least.

ClakarEQ wrote:I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

Would it shock you to know that similar material can be found in textbooks at Islamic schools in the United States?

ClakarEQ wrote:On an unrelated note, did that oil drilling bill get passed? someone at work said the GOV approved the bill, I thought congress was going to reject it.

I'm not sure what you are referring too. H.R. 6515 failed to pass, and 6418 and 6302 have never seen a vote. The only development regarding drilling that I'm aware of was the lifting of the executive moratorium on drilling, but with the congressional ban is still in place no new areas have been opened.

I think the whole Republican furor over drilling is incredibly disingenuous and utterly asinine. Even if the ban were lifted right this second, there wouldn't be an ounce of oil drilled until 2015. Look at the most recent big oil field discovery in the gulf, where it took BP and Exxon/Mobil 9 years to go from discovery to first barrel drilled. Sorry, but STARTING to get oil in 2015 isn't going to do dick-all for prices today. What it WILL do is further enrich the massive oil companies, which, I am sure, is Bush's ultimate, if unstated, goal.

Besides, there's what, more than 68 million acres of public land the Oil Companies have leased from the US government as likely areas to find oil, that they have yet to do anything with? Yeesh.

-Arlos

Lueyen wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

Would it shock you to know that similar material can be found in textbooks at Islamic schools in the United States?

or your christian bibles?

Tikker wrote:

Lueyen wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

Would it shock you to know that similar material can be found in textbooks at Islamic schools in the United States?

or your christian bibles?

no kidding.

Tikker wrote:

Lueyen wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

Would it shock you to know that similar material can be found in textbooks at Islamic schools in the United States?

or your christian bibles?

Bibles aren't even close to the same fucking thing as a textbook for a school.

I guess you've never been into a catholic school, then

we're not talking just public all religions welcomed schools. those schools are meant for a specific religion, just like catholic schools.

Tikker wrote:

Lueyen wrote:

ClakarEQ wrote:I am not really shocked but at the same time, how can the world "grow" if nations, not just extremists, but entire nations actually promote this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

Would it shock you to know that similar material can be found in textbooks at Islamic schools in the United States?

or your christian bibles?

When it comes to numbers, catholic schools are a small percentage of kids compared to public schools so I don't think that comparision is all that "fair". At the same time, they "the nuns" DO NOT teach kids to "kill" people of other religions. They may say they're going to hell and all of that but not to seek them out and kill them. I'm not even certain off the top of my head that the new testement says this, and that is more of what christianity is based upon. I know lots here are religion haters and all but seriously, you can't compare the two religions, one being based on "turn the other cheek", the other "kill all that don't believe". I'm talking main stream, not one off nut job snake loving "christian" religions.

As for the textbooks here for Islamic schools, yeah that bothers me to.

Lue, thanks for the info on the drilling, that is what I was referring too.

Gypsiyee wrote:I guess you've never been into a catholic school, then

we're not talking just public all religions welcomed schools. those schools are meant for a specific religion, just like catholic schools.

So you're impling you've been to a catholic school, did they teach you to kill those that disagree with your teaching?

I have been to catholic school, yes, and have several friends who attended until they graduated. No, I'm not implying that they say to kill all people who disagree, but I am saying that they teach all things bible, and no matter how it is masked or the degree of extremity, they teach hate for those who aren't of the same beliefs as you.

people condemn one religion because of what the media says and how it's portrayed, then turn around and justify religions that are similar and put similar beliefs to different words. no, you may not wish me dead, but you do wish me to burn for all eternity. people are so blinded by the 'light' of catholocism that they refuse to recognize the seething hatred that radiates through it - those same people are the first to condemn another religion for putting it bluntly.

Either way you put it is reprehensible, but to turn a blind eye and embrace one and to express mortified disdain for another is simply naive. teaching with tools of fear and hate is the same no matter what sugar coating you put on it.

I don't care one way or the other for any religion or religious belief. I have my own.

I just think Tikker's assertion, much like himself, is dumb.

and I would whole heartedly agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that these are religious schools and religion is taught as part of their education - if being compared to a public school where religion is not part of education, for sure it's apples and oranges.. when compared to a school of another religion, though, it's not terribly far fetched.

Die Infidels.

Maybe I missed it, but I'm not seeing anyone embrace one over the other. Sure all religions have faults, and I'm not saying one is better than all others, or one is right and all others wrong, etc. I am saying that one is wrong and the teaching of it is far beyond "reasonable" in today's world.

As for teaching "hate" in catholic school, you must have misunderstood or perverted the lesson, or perhaps your teacher was an undocumented sex offender, had a grudge, or some other shit.

Again, I'm not catholic and could care less of other religions outside of the blatant oblivious "hate" that any specific religion carries "today" and through its teachings. I don't give a shit about how bad Christians were back in the day, that isn't "now", you're not going to convince me that Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, etc teach hate in such a blatant way that what the public school system in Saud. Arab. does.

Not to be an asshole or anything but have any of you read the king James version of the bible, Bhagavad-Gita, Torah, then read the Qur'an? I'll admit I've not read any of them cover to cover, but I've gotten a good bit of exposure to each of them over time.

I think you are the naive one if you feel these religions and the majority of their teachings are all on the "same page" or "even".

The Qur'an by FAR, leaps and bounds, not even close, to the other texts regarding "how to get along with others" LOL. The Qur'an is almost a polar opposite to the other "bibles" and the teaching associated with them "today".

Even "good" Muslims do not take the text in the Qur'an as "literal", however many in the middle east, unfortunately do take it literal.

But each to their own, I was only posting it because I, apparently the minority here, didn't realize the public school system enforced the hate that the Qur'an contains.

I went to a Lutheran school for 9 years, not once did we have a class that taught "hate" or "killing" of non-believers. The only "aggressive" thought in the entire curriculum was the old, "spread the message of Jesus and the word of God" bit which, while annoying, does not do any damage to the recipient.

Clakar, if you re-read my post, you'll note that I never said they directly said to kill people; they simply tell you that for the rest of eternity, if you don't agree and believe like they do, you are a heathen and may you burn in hell. It is the only school I ever went to where it was acceptable to punish children physically as well. (not that I'm adament against a swat on the butt etc, but they were overzealous with their rulers if you so much as talked out of turn) I so much as mentioned that it may not be the same words, but it is essentially the same hate and fear. I didn't misunderstand a word - you need to understand that there is always a reason for stereotypes. 9 times out of 10, there is some truth to them, and catholic school is no exception.

I also mentioned that it is not as blatant, it's far more sugar coated. Does that make it better? Not in my opinion.

Regardless of our differing views on the matter, the biggest misconception here is that another country runs their systems the same way as the united states. It is this mentality that's gotten us in so much trouble in the past and will continue to until we realize that while we may vehemently disagree, that is what they teach in their country, and it is no different than small sections of our country still teaching racial hatred, homosexual hatred, religious hatred or otherwise. We cannot change those problems at home anymore than we can change theirs, because they do not view it as a problem.

As of late, just as many deaths have come from "christians" parading about as world saviors over there, and people of power in this country continue to teach that, so why are we any better? The sooner we get our collective heads out of our asses and stop criticizing others when our way hasn't turned out much better, the better off we'll be. That's not to say teaching that sort of thing is acceptable, because it's not - it never is - but we certainly have our own despicable problems to be appalled at.

Christian fundamentalists are far and away the most dangerous out there.

Harrison wrote:I don't care one way or the other for any religion or religious belief. I have my own.

I just think Tikker's assertion, much like himself, is dumb.

you honestly think there are no instances of christians killing non-believers in the bible?

Tikker wrote:

Harrison wrote:I don't care one way or the other for any religion or religious belief. I have my own.

I just think Tikker's assertion, much like himself, is dumb.

you honestly think there are no instances of christians killing non-believers in the bible?

you honestly think there are no instances of non-believers killing christians in the bible?

10sun wrote:Christian fundamentalists are far and away the most dangerous out there.

I would change this to Christian and Islamic

Naethyn wrote:
you honestly think there are no instances of non-believers killing christians in the bible?

no, nor would I have ever say that

did you actually have a point or was that just a post count +1 ?

No, I reserve that strictly for youtube videos.

Gyps, fair enough and I don't disagree with you in allot of what you say. I guess it comes down to choice, your parents chose to put in you a catholic school without fear of you or them being killed for that choice, that isn't the case there, you can't chose to not be taught to "clean" the world of nonbelievers (don't take this so "literal" as in 100% please)

EDIT
Re: the sugar coating, is it better, yes actually it is. Sugar coating leaves room for interpretation, blatant does not
EDIT off

10sun, don't fall into the machine, what you fear are folks with power, they just put religion up as a front, they did it in Bosnia, they do it here, they do it all over, that isn't on the same line of conversation here. You fear Christians because they are in "power" and unfortunately for all of us, they use it as part of their military arsenal.

It all comes down to Clakar's wish for utopia LOL, you know, can't we all just get along.

Tikker, lets leave the old testament behind, we're talking about "today". I don't want a history lesson LOL

not that it matters, but with the catholic school thing it wasn't for reason of religion - my parents wanted us to be in a private school at a young age, they knew people at the catholic school and we got far cheaper tuition o.O thankfully, I wasn't there long at all. we got moved to a non-religious private school quickly after, and then moved right along to public school where I was much happier