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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:03 pm
by Narrock
Blagojevich scandal creates distraction for Obama transition

2 hrs 3 mins ago

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama was untainted but not untouched Tuesday by the stunning scandal surrounding charges that Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich tried to sell Obama's now vacant Senate seat in exchange for cash or a lucrative job in the future Obama administration.

The charges against Blagojevich suggested that Obama rebuffed the governor, punctuated by Blagojevich's string of curse words to describe Obama. Patrick Fitzgerald , the U.S. Attorney in Chicago , said his office was not alleging that Obama was involved in the scheme, or even aware of it.

However, the scandal, which Fitzgerald described as a "political corruption crime spree," threatened to be a distraction as the Obama team assembles a new administration. Some Chicagoans planning to move to Washington with Obama could find themselves facing continuing questions about what they knew about Blagojevich's attempted shakedown.

Obama friend Valerie Jarrett , for example, is not implicated but likely will face questions about how and why she withdrew her name from consideration for the Senate seat. The charges allege that Blagojevich wanted a payoff from Obama or his allies to name her to the seat. She's now slated to be a top White House counselor to Obama.

In a short statement Tuesday afternoon, Obama said he was "saddened and sobered" by the allegations, but added he had "no contact with the governor or his office. And so I was not aware of what was happening." The governor has the sole power to appoint Obama's replacement.

Earlier statements by incoming Obama senior adviser David Axelrod appear to contradict at least part of Obama's assertion. In an interview with Fox News in November, Axelrod said the president-elect had talked to Blagojevich about the Senate appointment, although he didn't think Obama would act as "kingmaker."

In a statement Tuesday evening, Axelrod said he was "mistaken" and that Obama and the governor "did not then or at any time discuss the subject."

Republican National Committee Chairman Robert M. "Mike" Duncan called Obama's comments on the matter "insufficient at best."

"Given the President-elect's history of supporting and advising Governor Blagojevich, he has a responsibility to speak out and fully address the issue," Duncan said.

Blagojevich, who was released without bail after a brief court appearance Tuesday, was aware he was already under federal investigation for other pay-to-play allegations even as he speculated how he could gain favors or money from the senate seat appointment, a 76-page criminal affidavit said. The FBI began tapping his campaign office and home phone in October.

According to the affidavit, Blagojevich, who turns 52 on Wednesday, hoped the Obama administration would appoint him Secretary of Health and Human Services or as an ambassador if he picked who he believed to be Obama's favored candidate for the seat, but acknowledged it was unlikely "because of all the negative publicity" surrounding him. He also speculated that Obama might get his wife, Patricia, on paid corporate boards.

Blagojevich said he tried to cut a deal with a person identified in the affidavit as Senate Candidate 5 whose associate he claimed had promised to "pay to play" or raise between $500,000 and $1 million in campaign contributions in exchange for the appointment, the affidavit said. On Dec. 4 , the governor said he had spoken to that fundraiser and decided he was "elevating" that candidate on the list.

He allegedly warned the fundraiser "you gotta be careful . . . and assume everybody's listening, the whole world is listening."

If his scheme failed, he is heard talking about appointing himself to avoid impeachment by the Illinois legislature, the affidavit said.

His chief of staff, John Harris , suggests that the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) act as a go-between with Obama. The governor later met with a SEIU official, the affidavit said. Harris also was arrested Tuesday.

In a statement Tuesday, SEIU spokeswoman Ramona Oliver said the organization had "no reason to believe that SEIU or any SEIU official was involved in any wrongdoing."

Blagojevich also plotted to set up and head a nonprofit that would be the vehicle for Obama's political allies, including billionaire Warren Buffett , to illegally pump millions of dollars to pay him if he was indicted and had to leave office, the affidavit said. There is no indication in the affidavit that Buffett was involved in any way.

In one passage, Blagojevich allegedly says he knew Obama wanted an unnamed "Senate Candidate 1" for the seat but that "they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. [Expletive] them."

At another point, Blagojevich uses an obscenity to describe the president-elect after being told by his advisers he has to "suck it up" for two years and pick Obama's favored candidate "for nothing."

Senate candidate 1, who's not identified by prosecutors, is presumably Obama adviser Jarrett. She's the only Obama adviser who was being considered for the seat and the only one who took her name out of the running on Nov. 12 , as the indictment says that candidate did. Jarrett didn't return phone calls seeking comment.

Fitzgerald, who is known as a hard-charging apolitical prosecutor, said he felt it was important to make arrests quickly because of the timing of the Senate appointment. He signaled the investigation was still ongoing.

The affidavit includes a litany of alleged corrupt schemes by Blagojevich, including his attempts to force the Tribune Co. , the owner of the Chicago Tribune , to oust members of the paper's editorial board who were critical of him in exchange for giving the company $100 million in state assistance for its sale of Wrigley Field .

Tribune filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Monday.

Fitzgerald said Blagojevich was racing to beat a change in state ethics laws that would bar certain contributions beginning January 1 .

"Blagojevich and others were working feverishly to get as much money from contractors, shaking them down, pay to play, before the end of the year," he said.

The governor's office issued a statement that did not address the allegations, except to emphasize that the case did "nothing to impact the services, duties or function of the State."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D- Nev. , called the charges "appalling" and representing as "serious a breach of the public trust as I have ever heard."

"It is clear that anyone Governor Blagojevich appoints to the Senate will fairly or unfairly be tainted by questions of impropriety," Reid said.

Sen. Richard Durbin , D- Ill. , the Senate's second-ranking Democrat, said the Illinois General Assembly should enact a law calling for a special election.

The arrest marks the second time that a political figure tied to Obama has been accused of federal corruption charges. Antoin Rezko , a long-time Obama fundraiser, was convicted in June of 16 felony corruption charges by Fitzgerald's office. Rezko also raised money for Blagojevich.

While Obama was not implicated during Rezko's trial, however, Blagojevich was. In Tuesday's complaint, Rezko was identified as a go-between for Blagojevich who talked to campaign contributors about state jobs and lucrative appointments.

The relationship between Blagojevich and Obama was largely political, an apparently casual link as fellow Democrats in Illinois .

Obama elbowed Blagojevich aside by running for president, something Blagojevich wanted to do himself. In the indictment, the governor was said to still be harboring hopes of running in 2016.



Ah yes, in just a few days everything will unfold and ol barry will have to answer to this. What a douche. But of course, it'll probably get swept under the rug by the liberals.

Re: rofl

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:15 pm
by brinstar
i have him ignored what wild claims is he making now

Re: rofl

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:17 pm
by Arlos
Um, with all due respect, I don't see what Obama has to do with this at all, other than being also a Democrat? Absolutely, throw the book at the governor and his aid, send 'em to jail for ages, no question there. I seriously doubt this will in any way be swept under the rug, or that anyone sane would want to. Nevertheless, I don't see what at all it has to do with Obama.

Conflating Obama with this idiocy would be like calling for prosecuting Schwarzenegger because of the millions of dollars in bribes and gifts his fellow Republican, Duke Cunningham from SoCal was convicted of taking from the defense industry. Pretty much the exact same sort of situation, just in reverse, and one did not tar the other.

-Arlos

Re: rofl

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:35 pm
by araby
It would seem as though this guy is truly going to go down. This evidence is overwhelming. People are unhappy. Honestly I see it as a positive thing for Illinoise and wish them well.

The mood in that room during the press conference was very tense it seemed. They had the most solemn faces. I was waiting on a finger-wag.

Re: rofl

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 pm
by brinstar
ILL-I-NOYYYEEE

Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:18 am
by Nusk
so he was trying to sell obama's vacated seat, how does this make it obama's fault?

Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:13 am
by Evermore
mindia fails at life

Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:50 am
by Kramer
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Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:42 am
by Tossica
Since this story broke I have been wondering WTF this dude was thinking? Like noone would ever find out?!?! Dumbass.

Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:05 pm
by Gypsiyee
mindia you fail at reading comprehension.

Re: rofl

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:05 pm
by Drem
mindia fails at most things around here

Re: rofl

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:32 pm
by Eziekial
This is politics as usual. Maybe we should just randomly select someone to serve. Like Jury duty but better! :wink:

Re: rofl

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:30 pm
by brinstar
jury duty? OWWW MY FREEDOM HURTS

Re: rofl

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:46 pm
by Gaazy
I heard on some radio thing this morning that people were relating this to Jessie Jackson's son rofl. It was Mancow I think (its eithe rhim or John boy and billy, and I cant stand those fake accent faggots) and they were giving reasons from some conference why they think Jessie Jr. was trying to get the seat. Still doesnt make any sense, unless I just dont understand, but how exactly could this happen? I mean, the whole plan, it just....doesnt make sense...

Re: rofl

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:45 am
by Lueyen
Mindia if you are still watching this thread:

I have yet to see anything linking Obama to the criminal activities here, but this is also not the first time I've seen what appears to me to be anticipation of guilt by association.

My question for you is this. If you don't make an assumption of his guilt or innocence of any wrong doing regarding the matter, Do you hope a smoking gun linking Obama to illicit activities is found? When this first came to light that's where I was at, not making assumptions either way, and though I may not be an Obama fan, I certainly don't want to see a President elect connected to a scandal like this, in short it would not bode well at all for the country.

Re: rofl

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:33 pm
by Narrock
Arlos wrote:Um, with all due respect, I don't see what Obama has to do with this at all, other than being also a Democrat? Absolutely, throw the book at the governor and his aid, send 'em to jail for ages, no question there. I seriously doubt this will in any way be swept under the rug, or that anyone sane would want to. Nevertheless, I don't see what at all it has to do with Obama.

Conflating Obama with this idiocy would be like calling for prosecuting Schwarzenegger because of the millions of dollars in bribes and gifts his fellow Republican, Duke Cunningham from SoCal was convicted of taking from the defense industry. Pretty much the exact same sort of situation, just in reverse, and one did not tar the other.

-Arlos


It's ok Arlos, after all... barry is the annointed one, the new messiah, and is therefore untouchable.

Re: rofl

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:34 pm
by Arlos
Mindia, I'm a little disappointed in you here. You know very well I've never said any such thing. He has his own flaws and faults, same as any other person. But those flaws don't extend to being any part of THIS. No one anywhere has come up with even a shred of evidence that he is in any way involved in this either. Hell, look at the quotes from the governor, he was calling Obama all sorts of names.

Sure, this is one hell of a scandal, and I hope that that governor gets put in jail for one hell of a long time. There hasn't been any effort anywhere to sweep it under the rug like you thought. Indeed, the Democrats are calling for his head louder than anyone else, or haven't you seen all the efforts to get him tossed out on his ass by the illinois legislature?

In any case, as you well know, neither side is immune to scandal. I repeat, if you don't know about the story, go look up Duke Cunningham and who he was and what he did. His life prior to going into office, with his service in Vietnam, praiseworthy. His congressional life, however... Well, lets just say he's going to be in prison for a very long time.

-Arlos

Re: rofl

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:11 pm
by Trielelvan
Narrock wrote:
Arlos wrote:Um, with all due respect, I don't see what Obama has to do with this at all, other than being also a Democrat? Absolutely, throw the book at the governor and his aid, send 'em to jail for ages, no question there. I seriously doubt this will in any way be swept under the rug, or that anyone sane would want to. Nevertheless, I don't see what at all it has to do with Obama.

Conflating Obama with this idiocy would be like calling for prosecuting Schwarzenegger because of the millions of dollars in bribes and gifts his fellow Republican, Duke Cunningham from SoCal was convicted of taking from the defense industry. Pretty much the exact same sort of situation, just in reverse, and one did not tar the other.

-Arlos


It's ok Arlos, after all... barry is the annointed one, the new messiah, and is therefore untouchable.

Ok wait, I'm curious here (and a little confused).

Do you believe that Obama orchestrated this whole thing and is letting Blagojevich be the "fall guy" and using him as a distraction?

Re: rofl

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:01 pm
by brinstar
why do you bother

Re: rofl

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:13 pm
by Drem
honestly

Re: rofl

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:49 am
by Trielelvan
brinstar wrote:why do you bother

I'm a masochist.

Re: rofl

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:07 am
by Evermore
she is interested in the douche bag response

Re: rofl

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:57 pm
by araby
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